bush?

[Reformationist]

Kennedy was good.

Good in what way?

Thing is Regan wasnt very big on briton america relations.

There was nothing wrong with the U.S.'s relations with England during his presidency. Not to mention, there was a pressing issue of U.S. Soviet relations, don't you think?

So if you want to go back to his system then you will have all the world hating America rather than just some of it.

The whole world didn't hate us when he was president so your predictions seem rather hollow. In fact, there is much to be admired in the foreign policy relations during the Reagan administration.

You seriously think America could have gotten away with invading two countries by itself with no support?

Which two countries and, pray tell, what support?

 

[MercuryAndy]

Good in what way?



There was nothing wrong with the U.S.'s relations with England during his presidency. Not to mention, there was a pressing issue of U.S. Soviet relations, don't you think?



The whole world didn't hate us when he was president so your predictions seem rather hollow. In fact, there is much to be admired in the foreign policy relations during the Reagan administration.



Which two countries and, pray tell, what support?

England and Briton are not interchangeable words.

Iraq and Afghanistan.

Support- target practice for your planes.

I'm afraid the world really did. Regan is interchangeable with several words which are harsh sound.

 

[Reformationist]

England and Briton are not interchangeable words.

Okay. Does it make a difference in what I said? There were no problems with American/Briton relations during his administration. Who is it that you feel Reagan should have done a better job dealing with in Briton than he did?

Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is quite a bit of support provided by the British but their assistance isn't what enables us to invade anyone.

Support- target practice for your planes.

No clue what it is you mean by this.

I'm afraid the world really did. Regan is interchangeable with several words which are harsh sound.

The world did not hate America when Reagan was president. Where in the world did you get this misinformation? Reagan made some mistakes but, overall, he was a fantastic president. Far better than Kennedy. Hell, Nixon was a better president than Kennedy.

Let me guess...you're probably a fan of Jimmah Catah, aren't you?

 

[MercuryAndy]

Okay. Does it make a difference in what I said? There were no problems with American/Briton relations during his administration. Who is it that you feel Reagan should have done a better job dealing with in Briton than he did?



There is quite a bit of support provided by the British but their assistance isn't what enables us to invade anyone.



No clue what it is you mean by this.



The world did not hate America when Reagan was president. Where in the world did you get this misinformation? Reagan made some mistakes but, overall, he was a fantastic president. Far better than Kennedy. Hell, Nixon was a better president than Kennedy.

Let me guess...you're probably a fan of Jimmah Catah, aren't you?

is that like a pinini?

 

[Reformationist]

is that like a pinini?

I have no clue what that is.

 

[MercuryAndy]

I have no clue what that is.

its like a kind of grilled small french bagett with stuff inside.

 

[Reformationist]

its like a kind of grilled small french bagett with stuff inside.

Lost me on that one. Well, gotta go pick up my son.

Later,
God bless

 

[Cris413]

I kind of like how Ergun Caner (president of the seminary here at Liberty) said it in THEO 201 last week. Something along the lines of he hopes hillary becomes president soley for the sake of the American church. He believes (and I agree) that looking at history, great revivals only came during horrible times economically for the united states and other countries. God has to bring us to our knees before he stands us up.

Hi Weasel,

That is quite an interesting theory. And if she does get elected that is where I will place my hope and prayers... in a great revival. Either that...or I'll move to Australia and pray from there..
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[Cris413]

Kennedy was good. Thing is Regan wasnt very big on briton america relations. So if you want to go back to his system then you will have all the world hating America rather than just some of it. You seriously think America could have gotten away with invading two countries by itself with no support?

Bless your heart Andy for being involved, even if you don't have all the facts. Perhaps you should consider doing a bit more research on the history of American Presidents before you continue to comment further.

I could provide you with the facts but I think I'll leave it to you like my mom left it to me....look it up.

Be blessed,

Cris

 

[Psalms34]

The way the legislative procedure works is that the president either signs or vetoes bills that come through congress. He can champion causes and try to get you fired up to voice your opinion to the proper Representatives to get a bill passed, but he has as many votes on that bill passing as I do (none). As to him " thinking abortion is good" what is the whole fetal stem cell issue about and his threat of vetoing any bill that would put public money into research along those lines.

Wake up and smell the dead roses, how long has Bush been president? How long did Reps have control over house and senate? How many babies are still being murdered every year? This is no real concern to Bush, it's just more of the same political posturing to please everyone. By saying his hope is in stopping abortion “someday” he is playing the pro-life supporters that have been tricked into believing that he actually believes it. When he does nothing about it, he appeases the pro-choice supporters and maybe does not see his numbers drop so bad in the polls. Stem cell is a joke as well, he is simply denying stem cell research to be paid for and conducted by the government, private business can still do this. The problem is that stem cell research is a pipe dream and all private companies know this and so wont invest in it, the activists realize this so want to force the taxpayers to cover the bill. It's all a farce! It's no victory... you saved a few bucks in taxes.

Where is this supported?

About Bush and the new order? http://stopspp.com/

The land for peace crowd was Madam Albright and the Clinton crowd. To my knowledge the Bush administration has only asked both parties to honer the commitments already made.

I'm talking about just in the past year or two for that matter. With Bush and his cabinet pushing Israel to give land to the Palestinians, did it secure peace one iota? no, but we saw that coming.

So I assume then you voted for Al Gore and John Kerry? Or did you just opt out which is the same thing.

Ass/u/me
You obviously didn't read my previous posts in this thread or you would mot said that.

Drudge Report headline : Gore Says Bush Admin paying scientists to dispute global warming

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2023835.stm

You don't see it yet, do you? You are being set up. Scientists don't need to be paid off to prove global warming was not caused by humans, the proof is already out there and quite strong. What needs to be done is the scientists that claim human intervention for global warming be left alone, not be paid off or not have their jobs threatened if they say the truth. Ever think it strange that this recent report on global warming, that the conclusion which was written by politicians was released before the actual study had been concluded? Scientists were hurded into what to say by the pre-written conclusion. It's about social engineering and Bush is right up there playing along in his own way, but still headed to the common goal for them all.


Not saying that Bush IS the AC, but the AC will be Christ-like at least in words. He will be much like a Christian and may even call himself a Christian, but he will accept other religions as well like Bush did this Ramadan for the Muslims where he acknowledged it, participated in a festivities and even prayed to Allah at his dinner and all that... not that that made many Muslims happy, he'll just need to make up for that to please them, eh?


“President George W. Bush said yesterday that Ramadan is a ‘good time to remember the common values that bind us together’. “
Faith_Warrior said again today “Bleh!”

Sadly though, I see by your forum name that you just focus on debunking, for some that is their game and many can seemingly debunk anything (as far as they are concerned) and yet hold the incorrect view in the end. Objective research is always a better way to go about things, but that is a tuff course and not everyone is capable of doing that it often seems.

 

[Cris413]

Wake up and smell the dead roses, how long has Bush been president? How long did Reps have control over house and senate? How many babies are still being murdered every year? This is no real concern to Bush, it's just more of the same political posturing to please everyone. By saying his hope is in stopping abortion “someday” he is playing the pro-life supporters that have been tricked into believing that he actually believes it. When he does nothing about it, he appeases the pro-choice supporters and maybe does not see his numbers drop so bad in the polls. Stem cell is a joke as well, he is simply denying stem cell research to be paid for and conducted by the government, private business can still do this. The problem is that stem cell research is a pipe dream and all private companies know this and so wont invest in it, the activists realize this so want to force the taxpayers to cover the bill. It's all a farce! It's no victory... you saved a few bucks in taxes.

About Bush and the new order? http://stopspp.com/
I'm talking about just in the past year or two for that matter. With Bush and his cabinet pushing Israel to give land to the Palestinians, did it secure peace one iota? no, but we saw that coming.
Ass/u/me
You obviously didn't read my previous posts in this thread or you would mot said that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2023835.stm

You don't see it yet, do you? You are being set up. Scientists don't need to be paid off to prove global warming was not caused by humans, the proof is already out there and quite strong. What needs to be done is the scientists that claim human intervention for global warming be left alone, not be paid off or not have their jobs threatened if they say the truth. Ever think it strange that this recent report on global warming, that the conclusion which was written by politicians was released before the actual study had been concluded? Scientists were hurded into what to say by the pre-written conclusion. It's about social engineering and Bush is right up there playing along in his own way, but still headed to the common goal for them all.


Not saying that Bush IS the AC, but the AC will be Christ-like at least in words. He will be much like a Christian and may even call himself a Christian, but he will accept other religions as well like Bush did this Ramadan for the Muslims where he acknowledged it, participated in a festivities and even prayed to Allah at his dinner and all that... not that that made many Muslims happy, he'll just need to make up for that to please them, eh?


“President George W. Bush said yesterday that Ramadan is a ‘good time to remember the common values that bind us together’. “
Faith_Warrior said again today “Bleh!”

Sadly though, I see by your forum name that you just focus on debunking, for some that is their game and many can seemingly debunk anything (as far as they are concerned) and yet hold the incorrect view in the end. Objective research is always a better way to go about things, but that is a tuff course and not everyone is capable of doing that it often seems.

Dear brother in Christ,

Reading your past posts, I have been very moved by your insight. Feeling that I might even have some common understanding of your faith...coming from the same church background. But I feel led to say that I'm a little blown away and confused by the feeling of hostility I read in your words in this post and in your post in response to balance. (I wanted to comment then but thought I better spend a bit of time in prayer about it first)

I understand how easy it is to be misunderstood in this forum. I've blown it a several times already (and I may be blowing it now) not being articulate enough to express my thoughts in what I hoped would be perceived in a kind manner. I truly hope to learn and grow and anyone that I inadvertently offended would find forgiveness for me.

I would hope this would be a forum to have a healthy exchange of ideas that prompt seeking and searching and growth as believers. (quite a bit has been just that) I've certainly learned a lot in the past few weeks. I've been encouraged and I've been astonished.

My thoughts are, that if I can't be responsible with my posts or express myself with love about things I find concerning...then perhaps I shouldn't continue to participate (something I am currently praying about). Edification in the body is more important to me than simply stating my opinions or reading the opinions of others.

Kinda reminds me of the mission statement...not being opposed to denominations as such, only their overemphasis of the doctrinal differences that have led to the division of the body of Christ...please correct me if I'm wrong...but could not that same philosophy apply to differences of opinions that might set brother against brother or sister against sister?

Are we not taught/commanded to treat one another in love? I wondered what you meant by "battleground" now I think I have a better understanding of your choice of the word.

Please understand...if I missed the mark again and my words sound harsh or judgemental.... there is no harshness in my words or in my thoughts of you, only a sense of confusion and sadness.

One more thing I would like to share with you: When I first attended a Calvary Chapel here in Houston, I mentioned to people I came from Calvary Chapel Ft Lauderdale. Of course everyone was familiar with Pastor Bob and the ministry there.

I was at a spiritual low at that time and when it was precieved that I was lacking in faith someone said to me "You should know better being taught by Pastor Bob" I felt judged and discouraged. I desperately wanted the Lord to build me up again, how was I to live up to their expectation of me? Anyhow...I don't want you to feel that I'm judging you.

I guess we all have certain expectations when we feel we are familiar with someone or feel we are familiar with where they come from. We are only human.

If there is anything I can pray about for you, please don't hesitate to pm me.

Please, please forgive me if I've taken even the smallest liberty out of some misplaced feeling that I have even the slightest clue about who you are and where your heart is simply because we come from the same doctrinal background.

Cris



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[Psalms34]

I feel led to say that I'm a little blown away and confused by the feeling of hostility I read in your words in this post and in your post in response to balance.

It’s all true though, I can sugar coat it but that does not seem right. You can pray about it but the bible really says to check all things out; people can pray away the truth quite easily and overlook the obvious in a shortsighted manor. Though I will say that there is so much disinformation floating around the Internet concerning these issues that it is not an easy task and does take a long time to sort out. But for those that seek, they shall find, though there are never any quick and easy answers when it comes to knowledge of the truth.

But anyway, I just be me, I don’t put on masks be it on the Internet or in the company of people in my day to day life. People tend to realize this and often put a great deal of trust into me by knowing this, though this is the Internet of course and does not carry the same standards or respect of person as it does in the day to day life. I’ve never been a member of the Republican party, their standards are just too low for me, though I’ve liked some in that party, the party as a whole is one big mess ever since Reagan left office. I’ve been AIP/CP for twenty years, it is the party that many of the Christian Republicans have been fleeing to upon the realization of the corruption of their party. The Republican party is no different than the Democrat party, ultimately they have the same goal.

Sadly, you must be unaware of these issues I have brought up regarding the republican party. I’m sorry that you feel that you have lost faith or respect in my posts or saddened or how ever you say it, things like this are just not brought up on the Rush Limbaugh show too often if at all, and hearing them can be a shock for many. Don’t follow me, follow Jesus; it’s always been my battle cry… though I do think this nation is past the point of no return and sliding down a very slippery slope with its blinders on with many in the Church just sliding along with it. But, realizing such a thing can pull us away from our comport zone. Not sure what you are referring to with the hostility remark, though… When I get hostile, there is never any doubt about the matter. I’ve just never been afraid of offending anyone, even people bigger than me… in greater numbers, kicking over the money changers tables is needed now an then. We have become a nation that is too concerned with being nice and getting along instead of standing up for something without any confusion as to our stance.

Kinda reminds me of the mission statement...not being opposed to denominations as such, only their overemphasis of the doctrinal differences that have led to the division of the body of Christ...please correct me if I'm wrong...but could not that same philosophy apply to differences of opinions that might set brother against brother or sister against sister?

No, there are divisions. Christ is not a uniter, but a divider. He divides the mother from the daughter, the son from the father, the teacher from the student and the sheep from the goat. He never says to embrace a lie but to flee from it, pretending to go along with something is a bad witness and quite dangerous to your soul. Christ even divides the marrow from the bone and it will all be risen on the last day. Yes, I find commonality with other denominations, but in certain people that hold to biblical values as taught by the bible, not in the denominations themselves. God calls for overcomers, not denominations, He calls on the individual heart, not the church creed or political party. It is a very narrow road, indeed.

Are we not taught/commanded to treat one another in love? I wondered what you meant by "battleground" now I think I have a better understanding of your choice of the word.

Spiritual warfare is all around us, it's real. Not everyone that puts up a particular faith icon here actually believes in it, and many have been found out doing so. There are a mountain of activists that come here just to debate and most likely many more that are demonically lead to make their way here to mislead Christians from their path. Not only that but even the staff has been brought up on question on occasion over the years, though they have straightened up their act much better many would agree. Yes, it’s a battlefield, mission field, study aid and stumbling block, it’s many things such as the Internet is.

 

[Reformationist]

Bless your heart Andy for being involved, even if you don't have all the facts. Perhaps you should consider doing a bit more research on the history of American Presidents before you continue to comment further.

I could provide you with the facts but I think I'll leave it to you like my mom left it to me....look it up.

Be blessed,

Cris

Good advice Cris.

God bless

 

[fishon]

Faith_Warrior,
You are spot on. Amen!
fishon

 

[Cris413]

It’s all true though, I can sugar coat it but that does not seem right. You can pray about it but the bible really says to check all things out; people can pray away the truth quite easily and overlook the obvious in a shortsighted manor. Though I will say that there is so much disinformation floating around the Internet concerning these issues that it is not an easy task and does take a long time to sort out. But for those that seek, they shall find, though there are never any quick and easy answers when it comes to knowledge of the truth.

But anyway, I just be me, I don’t put on masks be it on the Internet or in the company of people in my day to day life. People tend to realize this and often put a great deal of trust into me by knowing this, though this is the Internet of course and does not carry the same standards or respect of person as it does in the day to day life. I’ve never been a member of the Republican party, their standards are just too low for me, though I’ve liked some in that party, the party as a whole is one big mess ever since Reagan left office. I’ve been AIP/CP for twenty years, it is the party that many of the Christian Republicans have been fleeing to upon the realization of the corruption of their party. The Republican party is no different than the Democrat party, ultimately they have the same goal.

Sadly, you must be unaware of these issues I have brought up regarding the republican party. I’m sorry that you feel that you have lost faith or respect in my posts or saddened or how ever you say it, things like this are just not brought up on the Rush Limbaugh show too often if at all, and hearing them can be a shock for many. Don’t follow me, follow Jesus; it’s always been my battle cry… though I do think this nation is past the point of no return and sliding down a very slippery slope with its blinders on with many in the Church just sliding along with it. But, realizing such a thing can pull us away from our comport zone. Not sure what you are referring to with the hostility remark, though… When I get hostile, there is never any doubt about the matter. I’ve just never been afraid of offending anyone, even people bigger than me… in greater numbers, kicking over the money changers tables is needed now an then. We have become a nation that is too concerned with being nice and getting along instead of standing up for something without any confusion as to our stance. No, there are divisions. Christ is not a uniter, but a divider. He divides the mother from the daughter, the son from the father, the teacher from the student and the sheep from the goat. He never says to embrace a lie but to flee from it, pretending to go along with something is a bad witness and quite dangerous to your soul. Christ even divides the marrow from the bone and it will all be risen on the last day. Yes, I find commonality with other denominations, but in certain people that hold to biblical values as taught by the bible, not in the denominations themselves. God calls for overcomers, not denominations, He calls on the individual heart, not the church creed or political party. It is a very narrow road, indeed.

Spiritual warfare is all around us, it's real. Not everyone that puts up a particular faith icon here actually believes in it, and many have been found out doing so. There are a mountain of activists that come here just to debate and most likely many more that are demonically lead to make their way here to mislead Christians from their path. Not only that but even the staff has been brought up on question on occasion over the years, though they have straightened up their act much better many would agree. Yes, it’s a battlefield, mission field, study aid and stumbling block, it’s many things such as the Internet is.

Thanks for the insight,

God bless

 

[BustedFlat]

Brothers and Sisters in Christ:


If the goal is to outlaw abortion then you need to amend the constitution. That is (by design) a long and arduous task. There is not the votes out there to make that happen. Not this week. Not this year. Not this decade. If the goal is to have no (fewer) abortions happen then you can achieve that through changing the conversation of the issue. The truth is that since the Republicans took over congress in '94 the abortion rate has dropped from a 31.1 per 100 live births in 1995 to 24.6 in 2002. This is due to the emphasis switching from birth control to abstinence and the inclusion of faith based charities introduced during this period. The mindset is changed by engaging in dialog, not dropping out and offering no real, viable solutions.


The two party system we have is not the best for ruling with an iron fist and having an inflexible attitude as how to do things. It dose work wonderfully well when honest men of integrity, good character and faith work within the system to convince your neighbors that this is the better way. When good men leave the process (by leaving either of the two parties) they only strengthen the opposite party. In '92 Ross Perot convinced enough Republican voters that he could make a difference that we were given 8 years of Clinton. In 2000, Pat Buchanan almost archived the same result for Al Gore. Think what the Supreme Court would look like today had that happened. A strong Christian would not be Chief Justice, and the liberal activists would have a strong majority. That says nothing about the resulting federal applet court system.


Yes, we would all like to see this country Christ centered today, but the only way to achieve it is to work within the structure we have. Get involved with a realistic chance for achievement. Work precinct chairs, work to get like minded Christians on the ballots in the primaries, so that come general election time we have our candidates on the slate. It works for both parties, as evidenced by the candidates the Democrats ran last fall. Their big gains were with Christian, conservative democrat men and women. Do not be discouraged with small setbacks, the only loss is when someone give up the fight.


Yours in Christ!


Busted

 

[Psalms34]

Well yes, RU486 was just one of the first battles lost after Roe Vs. Wade. BTW before R.Vs.W there was no need to amend the constitution. But yes, birth control has played a factor into the lower abortion rate though not all forms of contraception is on the level. We also must conceder that abortion figures are misreported as some findings suggest, which pretty much fall in line to the norm with any such reporting (i.e. Government spending). Every third baby conceived in the US is aborted. http://www.abortionfacts.com/abortion/numbers.asp


The problem with claiming that abortion falls under a constitutional right is to say that the baby has no rights to life. That is the whole battle of pro-life, that the baby is a living human being and is entitled to the right to life. Lets face it, life is the natural course of things, Adam and Eve were not supplied with surgical gloves and a scalpel. Life begins in the womb and is aware, it also suffers greatly to intrusion and dismemberment by surgical instruments. If this goes against the natural order set by the maker of all things, how much longer until my nation face the wrath which is kindled by such a murder rate(these souls return to God and account is required)? The right to life is constitutional, and this also includes my right to life since I live in this nation and I really don't want my friends and family to suffer the wrath of God with everyone else that though this was a good idea. Not by my wrath of course, I am just the messenger, God is the one to fear.

Bush simply gets an F when it comes to this subject.

 

[BustedFlat]

I agree that those that promote the agenda of abortion, assisted suicide, etc, will suffer the wrath of God for their choices. I am also fully aware that if they come to Christ before their death we will see then in heaven. Our job is to insure that happens, through our witnessing for Christ, through our outreach, through our teachings. Our obligation is to, with His love, lead as many to Christ as we can. He will take care of the rest.


In Christ


Busted

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

I agree that those that promote the agenda of abortion, assisted suicide, etc, will suffer the wrath of God for their choices. I am also fully aware that if they come to Christ before their death we will see then in heaven. Our job is to insure that happens, through our witnessing for Christ, through our outreach, through our teachings. Our obligation is to, with His love, lead as many to Christ as we can. He will take care of the rest.

I appreciate both Faith_Warrior's and BustedFlat's comments in this thread. Lots of insight.

My personal thought is more along the line of BustedFlat's last comment. We won't solve anything through politics (although we can try), what we should be doing is working on the hearts of those we come into contact with. Jesus didn't go out trying to change the government, he went about changing hearts.

 

[Cris413]

It’s all true though,

I can't be certain it's all true, but I'll look into it.

people can pray away the truth quite easily

Would you show me where that is supported in God’s word. It sounds like something I need to be aware of.

Though I will say that there is so much disinformation floating around the Internet concerning these issues that it is not an easy task and does take a long time to sort out. But for those that seek, they shall find, though there are never any quick and easy answers when it comes to knowledge of the truth. .

Amen to that and yes, sadly, I may not be as politically informed as I should be but I do the best I can with what I have to work with. My post was not to argue politics but to share a hope that as believers we should speak out to edify and have great wisdom in rebuke.​

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearer.​

Or in the NIV - Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.​

Ephesians 4:31,32 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour and evil speaking be put away from you, with malice 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

I’m sorry that you feel that you have lost faith or respect in my posts or saddened or how ever you say it, .

My faith is in Jesus not man. I don’t believe I said I lost respect. It was pretty obvious from the first I read your posts you are a man who loves the Lord, who has been well taught and carries a great deal of wisdom. (btw Rush Limbaugh annoys my senses so I have no idea what’s brought up on his show).

Not sure what you are referring to with the hostility remark, though… When I get hostile, there is never any doubt about the matter. I’ve just never been afraid of offending anyone, even people bigger than me… in greater numbers, kicking over the money changers tables is needed now an then. We have become a nation that is too concerned with being nice and getting along instead of standing up for something without any confusion as to our stance. .

My apologies if I misinterpreted your tone. “Hostility” may not have been the best word
but as I read your posts, antagonism not to mention [sarcasm] is what I felt in your words.

To clarify:
Inferring the President is liken to AC… that’s kinda harsh. Wake up and smell the dead roses certainly helps set a tone. Ass / u / me and the mot shot might suggest a bit of disrespect and might not be the most edifying way to share the wisdom you obviously have and it did confuse me and yes, it saddened my heart.

No believer should be affraid of offending someone because of our values or beliefs.. but I think we should all take care not to be offensive in our manner when we do share. I personally am not so gifted in discernment that I know within a few moments who has the heart of a money changer or who may be a brother or sister in need of encouragement or who is a possible soul to be won for Christ.

I totally appreciate and respect people being compassionate in their convictions. I'm not all about being PC or hearts and flowers and puppies (ok...I am for puppies ) but I think we should consider:

Ephesians 4:1-3 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called. 2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

No, there are divisions. Christ is not a uniter, but a divider. He divides the mother from the daughter, the son from the father, the teacher from the student and the sheep from the goat. He never says to embrace a lie but to flee from it, pretending to go along with something is a bad witness and quite dangerous to your soul. Christ even divides the marrow from the bone and it will all be risen on the last day. Yes, I find commonality with other denominations, but in certain people that hold to biblical values as taught by the bible, not in the denominations themselves. God calls for overcomers, not denominations, He calls on the individual heart, not the church creed or political party. It is a very narrow road, indeed.

I do know the Word supports this:

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

My understanding is that this is the authority of Jesus. And yes, he gives His disciples authority but I believe with that authority comes an awesome responsibility. He gives us instruction as well, so we can not only be responsible in His authority but effective witnesses, useful in winning souls to Christ.

Again, thanks for your insight it really prompted me into prayer and consideration and digging into the Word. I was
really blessed by Ephesians 4. The entire chapter had a profound effect on me.

I look forward to reading more of your posts, all I have read so far have blessed me...one way or another

In His Love,
Cris

(Scripture is KJV except where noted NIV)