Did anyone catch this? Apparently there was an exceptionally crippling expose of what Bush was up to while he "served" in the National Guard.
So Bush disobeyed a direct order?The first memo is a direct order to take "an annual physical examination" a requirement for all pilots.
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On August 1, 1972, Col. Killian grounded Lt. Bush for failure to perform to U.S. Air Force/Texas Air National Guard standards and for failure to take his annual physical as ordered.
Got that right! Time to pay the piper.supporters of now-President Bush have been critical of opponent John Kerry's Vietnam record. Now it's the president's turn to answer tough questions about his own service.
CBS News said:Another memo refers to a phone call from the lieutenant in which he and his commander "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November." And that due to other commitments "he may not have time."
Note the title of that particular report - CYA.Starscream said:Also, in the link, another Col. Killian memo complains of how he is being pressured from above to give Bush a good review.
Maybe our Guardsmen(women) deployed in Iraq could try this tactic? Hey, it worked for Bush.BruceWane said:Let's hear from some military folks out there........do you "discuss options" with your Commanding Officer? Can you tell your CO that you "may not have time" to report for duty? Try not to laugh............
Zoot said:It's totally understandable. If I was ordered to take a medical examination that would expose my cocaine habit, I'd tip out the door.
MatthewG215 said:Who cares if George Bush Jr broke his contract with the US Government? The real issue is how far the bullets went into John Kerry.
As an ex-CAANG member, yes, in a Reserve unit, not activated, the situation is entirely different. I went round and round with my CO in the CBPO all the time from proceedures to who would win the Notre Dame game next Saturday! We were even on a first-name basis, "Major Tony" (I can't even remember his last name!), as was everyone else in my unit.BruceWane said:Let's hear from some military folks out there........do you "discuss options" with your Commanding Officer? Can you tell your CO that you "may not have time" to report for duty? Try not to laugh............
Yea i remember that. And i sure think its funny how they keep finding all these non-exsistant records.Zoot said:One of the neatest things in F9/11 was the comparison between Bush's military record as released by the government and Bush's military record as requested and obtained by Moore four years ago.
These are the same things. This is getting tiresome. A quick way for a pilot to choose not to fly would be for, you guessed it, not take the annual flight physical, which pilots did all the time.pearlz said:I did watch 60 minutes and the part that i didnt see any one comment on is this one....Bush says he didnt tke his physical because he said he had decided not to fly. The papers 60 minutes say that he was SUSPENDED FROM FLYING FOR NOT TAKING HIS PHYSICAL. opps maybe? Naw, that a DIRECT LIE to make himself look better.
You people don't know what you're talking about. Have you served in the ANG? This garbage about drug testing is hogwash. First of all, everyone, I repeat everyone takes an annual physical. Then there is a special physical for pilots. If he was trying to dodge a drug test, he would have to avoid the regular physical, which is cause for dishonorable discharge. Please stop embarrasing yourselves with fact-less speculation.Of course this is the 1st physical he would have to take that would include a drug and Alcohol test. And last but hardly least, they showed a clip of Bush saying he got into the guard on his own. And Ben Barnes says he is the one that pulled the strings for his daddys "friends".
Once a cheat, always a cheat.
Once a lier, always a lier (sic).
PatrickM said:These are the same things. This is getting tiresome. A quick way for a pilot to choose not to fly would be for, you guessed it, not take the annual flight physical, which pilots did all the time.
For various reasons this happened quite often, many of which would have been they're close to getting out, or would not be available for a time to fly (on vacation for weeks during the time they should have had their physical, flying as a commercial pilot out of the country, etc.)
Take it from someone who served in the CAANG during the 70s, in personnel. This was no big thing! I saw it all the time, as the CBPO was the office which processed flight status of pilots. I know all you civies are drooling over some juicy stuff to bash Bush, this ain't it!
I plead for anyone else who's served in the ANG to chime in here!
You people don't know what you're talking about. Have you served in the ANG? This garbage about drug testing is hogwash. First of all, everyone, I repeat everyone takes an annual physical. Then there is a special physical for pilots. If he was trying to dodge a drug test, he would have to avoid the regular physical, which is cause for dishonorable discharge. Please stop embarrasing yourselves with fact-less speculation.
And this didn't happen all the time ?? Do you remember the movie-star Dean Martin? His son, using daddy's influence, was assigned to my unit, and became rated as a fighter pilot in RF-4s. He, unfortunately, died when his aircraft flew into a mountain in Riverside County.pearlz said:And last but hardly least, they showed a clip of Bush saying he got into the guard on his own. And Ben Barnes says he is the one that pulled the strings for his daddys "friends".
Once naive and uneducated in the facts . . . (by the way, it's liar).Once a cheat, always a cheat.
Once a lier, always a lier.
He would have been dishonorably (or medically) discharged had he missed one. I'm not sure there are any records when the requirement is met, perhaps the medical unit would have something, but we were notified by the medical staff when someone missed one.Zoot said:Patrick,
Do the records show that he took the normal annual physical?