Burdens caused by wrong interpretaions

[Endium]

Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.

This verse tells me that the weaker brother is the one who believes eating meat and drinking wine is sinful or wrong.

Did you read anything I said in my earlier post? Or are you disagreeing with my points?

Paul is not talking about eating meat and drinking wine in general. He is talking about eating food that is offered to idols. The weaker brother is the one who thinks that idol sacrificed food is no good. The stronger brother knows that the idols are not real and thus the food is ok. The point is on food sacrificed to idols.

It is not right to take this verse and apply it as a general principle of eating and drinking. You cannot ignore the main pervading subject of idols, separating the instruction on food from its context. You are doing a similar thing to what you accuse the health ministry of doing.

 

[maco]

Did you read anything I said in my earlier post? Or are you disagreeing with my points?

Paul is not talking about eating meat and drinking wine in general. He is talking about eating food that is offered to idols. The weaker brother is the one who thinks that idol sacrificed food is no good. The stronger brother knows that the idols are not real and thus the food is ok. The point is on food sacrificed to idols.

It is not right to take this verse and apply it as a general principle of eating and drinking. You cannot ignore the main pervading subject of idols, separating the instruction on food from its context. You are doing a similar thing to what you accuse the health ministry of doing.

I read your post and found it to be typical of the SDA method of Scripture manipulation to fit their beliefs. I replied with one verse hoping that you would see the folly in your presentation but I guess I will have to add a little more knowing that I'm probably waisting my time. But you never know maybe someone out there in forum land has ears to hear.

The presentation of your theory in that Paul was not referring to animal meat when he said, "It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak." is false.

The context of this statement is found in the begining so lets go there and see what Paul says.

Romans 14:1-2 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.

The contrast in Paul's statement is vegetables which tells me the, who may eat all things, is referring to animal meat. Please don't tell me that Paul might have been referring to wood or rocks when he said, "all things".

Now lets get a little more deeper into Romans 14:21.

Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.

The word (meat) in the verse is the Strong's number #2907 which means, animal flesh.

Strong's Ref. # 2907
Romanized kreas
Pronounced kreh'-as
perhaps a primary word; (butcher's) meat:
KJV--flesh.

Like I said before and I'll say it again. I have no problem with a health message but when we manipulate Scripture to promote what we believe we are in danger of being labled a false teacher in which people will reject everything else we say that is true.

One more point I would like to make and that is, Paul uses wine is used in the same context as meat. This tells me that it's the weaker brother who believes drinking fermented wine is sinful and wrong. If I'm to be a good and faithful teacher of God's word should I teach what weaker the brother believes and go along with what he thinks or should I teach God's truth? In other words, should I stand with the SDA in saying drinking fermented wine is sinful and wrong or should I teach the truth that is found in God's word and consider them a weaker brother as Paul does?

 

[djconklin]

I read your post and found it to be typical of the SDA method of Scripture manipulation to fit their beliefs. I replied with one verse hoping that you would see the folly in your presentation but I guess I will have to add a little more knowing that I'm probably waisting my time. But you never know maybe someone out there in forum land has ears to hear.

1) This is not a debate forum. This is a fellowship forum.

2) Your response is insulting and unChristlike.

3) The historical context is one of eating meat and drinking unfermented grape juice that had been offered to the pagan gods and had then been put out on the market for sale--so the pagan temple could have some money. The weaker brethren evidently felt that eating and drinking such would thus constitute supporting the pagan temple and worshipping the pagan gods. Paul was NOT condemning the weaker but tell those who were "stronger" to help understand and help the weaker, not erecting a stumbling block.

 

[Sophia7]

1) This is not a debate forum. This is a fellowship forum.

This is a debate forum. Only the Traditional and Progressive SDA subforums are non-debate areas.

 

[djconklin]

That's new news! I was told otherwise!

 

[Sophia7]

That's new news! I was told otherwise!

Perhaps by someone who didn't think you were an Adventist since you don't use the SDA icon? However, anyone who self-identifies as Adventist here is allowed to debate.

 

[djconklin]

Nope. It was something I read in one of the posts. They were directed to take it over to the denomination-specific forum.

 

[Sophia7]

Nope. It was something I read in one of the posts. They were directed to take it over to the denomination-specific forum.

That was probably because there were non-Adventists or maybe former Adventists debating in the thread. Also, sometimes people are encouraged to take discussions to DST when they tend toward anti-Catholicism, for example, in order to give Catholics an opportunity to defend their beliefs and/or to point out any misconceptions that they believe are being made about their beliefs.

 

[Loveaboveall]

where can you find this denomination-specific forum?

 

[Sophia7]

where can you find this denomination-specific forum?

http://www.christianforums.com/f451-denomination-specific-theology.html

 

[maco]

1) This is not a debate forum. This is a fellowship forum.

2) Your response is insulting and unChristlike.

3) The historical context is one of eating meat and drinking unfermented grape juice that had been offered to the pagan gods and had then been put out on the market for sale--so the pagan temple could have some money. The weaker brethren evidently felt that eating and drinking such would thus constitute supporting the pagan temple and worshipping the pagan gods. Paul was NOT condemning the weaker but tell those who were "stronger" to help understand and help the weaker, not erecting a stumbling block.

I re-read what I wrote in light of your comment and I must agree it was kind of harsh. I apologize for my harsh words towards my brother in Christ. Even though I don't agree with him at least he, as well as the SDA, are looking out for our best interest in trying to get people to eat more healthy.

I'll try to be more user friendly...

 

[djconklin]

That was probably because there were non-Adventists or maybe former Adventists debating in the thread. Also, sometimes people are encouraged to take discussions to DST when they tend toward anti-Catholicism, for example, in order to give Catholics an opportunity to defend their beliefs and/or to point out any misconceptions that they believe are being made about their beliefs

It was the former.

 

[djconklin]

I'll try to be more user friendly...

I like that! Think of that as an approach in evangelism!