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I didn't say you did. But we're discussing the case of Bruce Jenner. That's what caused me to comment about counseling.I never claimed that boob implants and high heels make a woman Albion.
According to him, he is.Jenner is not avoiding surgery because of a desire to go back.
For example, in support for the veracity of the transgender/mental illness position read Dr. Paul R. McHugh.
Mental illness such as this should be addressed, not glorified.
Another appeal to authority.
In case you need a primer. No guy who wants to be a woman will ever look like this.
I didn't say you did. But we're discussing the case of Bruce Jenner. That's what caused me to comment about counseling.
According to him, he is.
So, I'll go with that.
I was inquiring about the accuracy of the claim that counseling cannot work when the issue is the subject imagining that he's changed his sex when he's only adopted some of the characteristics and trappings of a woman.Jenner has had counseling. It hasn't worked. What else do you suggest?
I was inquiring about the accuracy of the claim that counseling cannot work when the issue is the subject imagining that he's changed his sex when he's only adopted some of the characteristics and trappings of a woman.
No, that's not it. And I don't know why it's proving so hard for you to understand the point.Nobody is claiming that the operation makes you a fully functional reproductive female, if that's the issue you have.
No, that's not it. And I don't know why it's proving so hard for you to understand the point.
Erm, no. Biology tends to be a scientific matter. I don't see how we can escape that. If you don't have a relevant argument, then I don't see how I can address your viewpoint, much less take it into consideration.Oh don't give me that solipsistic crap. Evoking the specter of "science!" is nothing more than a narcissistic ploy
Yes, I do. What a silly and needlessly antagonistic thing to say. And here I thought we could have a productive discussion.You don't want to understand where I am coming from.
Yeah, and the biology supports my position.
One with gender dysphoria.How so? What heterosexual man will go to the point of having an life changing operation to make himself look like a woman?
How so? What heterosexual man will go to the point of having an life changing operation to make himself look like a woman?
So a man becoming a 'woman' ends up having only relationships with women is not gay? There is no male genitalia involved right? If i look at your comments, you make it seem genitalia is the only thing seperating gender.Sexual orientation is completely separate from gender identity. There are gay, straight, bisexual, etc. trans people just like with non-trans people. Transition has absolutely nothing to do with having sex.
Some heterosexual males also feel they may have been in the wrong body and want to put things right.Sexual orientation is completely separate from gender identity. There are gay, straight, bisexual, etc. trans people just like with non-trans people. Transition has absolutely nothing to do with having sex.
So a man becoming a 'woman' ends up having only relationships with women is not gay? There is no male genitalia involved right? If i look at your comments, you make it seem genitalia is the only thing seperating gender.
Some heterosexual males also feel they may have been in the wrong body and want to put things right.
may shock you to learn there are heterosexually married couples who stay together after one of them has transitioned. There are other transgender people who've never had sexual relationships either before or after transitioning. It's all very complicated and nuanced. Much more so than "gays dressing up".So a man becoming a 'woman' ends up having only relationships with women is not gay? There is no male genitalia involved right? If i look at your comments, you make it seem genitalia is the only thing seperating gender.
People are not neatly placed into XY male or XX female, according to biology.
Aside from Klinefelter syndrome or XYY syndrome (and some cases where there is a missing chromosome (such as having only one X instead of 2), most humans are placed into XY or XX pairs. I'm not sure I understand your statement, but it doesn't seem to be true for the mast majority of humans. Please elaborate. With any syndrome or disorder, the same statement is that if you have a Y chromosome at all, you're male.
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