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Brokeback Mountain

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I saw it recently and have to say it definitely deserves the praise and nominations it's getting. It's so well directed and well acted. They really do a great job with the material. As far as the homosexuality goes, it's handled extremely well. They're gay cowboys. They don't exactly gush about how much they love each other. In fact, they barely say two words to each other half the time. Very well done, and an early oscar frontrunner in my opinion. And since I happen to be a Christian that believes homosexuality is not a sin, I welcome films like these that will hopefully help foster a more loving, tolerant and yes, christian society.
 
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Its funny considering so many people are saying poor things about it and the only person here who actually saw it liked it.

After more than a quarter of a century in the movie theatre business I am grieved at the downhill slide the industry has taken.
I wouldn't say that. Today many minorities that were once segergated now have a chance to shine (eg Jamie Foxx in "Ray") there are also movies with women in leading roles. Don't forget jaw-dropping special effects that can bring to life great tales like "The Lord of the Rings".
 
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Matty1919 said:
Its funny considering so many people are saying poor things about it and the only person here who actually saw it liked it.
Probably because the people who are turned off by homosexuality won't see it so the only people who will see it don't mind homosexuality in the first place.
 
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And since I happen to be a Christian that believes homosexuality is not a sin, I welcome films like these that will hopefully help foster a more loving, tolerant and yes, christian society.

Why not try reading your Bible and see what GOD has to say about homosexual sex?
 
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I wouldn't say that. Today many minorities that were once segergated now have a chance to shine (eg Jamie Foxx in "Ray") there are also movies with women in leading roles. Don't forget jaw-dropping special effects that can bring to life great tales like "The Lord of the Rings".

A downhill slide morally not technically. The industry has all but forgotten its responsibility to the community.
 
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revrobor said:
Why not try reading your Bible and see what GOD has to say about homosexual sex?

Thank God someone still agrees with God that homosexuality is a sin,not only does the Bible say that,but calls this PERVERSION an ABOMINATION,gee that sounds like it turns God's stomach!:eek: :scratch: :sick:
 
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Thank God someone still agrees with God that homosexuality is a sin,not only does the Bible say that,but calls this PERVERSION an ABOMINATION,gee that sounds like it turns God's stomach!:eek: :scratch: :sick:
Not only that, it's just disgusting. I am no more bigoted for not wanting to see a gay love movie than a straight woman who wouldn't want to watch lesbian porn.
 
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twistedsketch said:
Gay lovers in the Old West? Forget it. It's an insult to Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, and the whole genre of Westerns.

If you know so little about a movie that you can't even complain about it with any degree of accuracy, what's the point of griping?
 
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revrobor said:
A downhill slide morally not technically. The industry has all but forgotten its responsibility to the community.

Wouldn't that include a responsibility to the part of the community that is comprised of gays and lesbians, many of whom are in relationships just as loving, committed and supportive as the average heterosexual relationship?
 
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MOD HAT ON:

Please be reminded that any discussion of homosexuality needs to take place in either:

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Any conversations about Brokeback Mountain need to be held in one of those fora since homosexuality really can't be avoided when talking about that particular movie.

Therefore I'm going to move this thread to Ethics and Morality so the conversation can continue without reports being generated.

MOD HAT OFF
 
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Robbie_James_Francis said:
I guess that the film came out in the US before it comes out here in the UK. So has anyone seen it? Was it any good?

I'm not going to see it.

Gyllenhaal is too cute to watch make out with another guy. I'd like to preserve my illusion that I'd at least have a shot. :(
 
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IrishGrace said:
And I'm also extremely upset that good movies like Narnia and King Kong got few to zero Golden Globe nominations because Brokeback Mountain got nominated for pretty much everything... sick...

Ah yes, Kong... the hyper-sexualized big jungle ape is overpowered by primal lust and loses his mind over getting his freak on with the paragon of human innocence, the helpless blonde female, and is destroyed when his obsession threatens to destroy the paragon of Western society, New York City.

Lovely wholesome themes in that one.
 
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Scally Cap said:
Ah yes, Kong... the hyper-sexualized big jungle ape is overpowered by primal lust and loses his mind over getting his freak on with the paragon of human innocence, the helpless blonde female, and is destroyed when his obsession threatens to destroy the paragon of Western society, New York City.

Lovely wholesome themes in that one.

Oh, you could've just said you didn't see the new King Kong movie yet.
 
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IrishGrace said:
And I'm also extremely upset that good movies like Narnia and King Kong got few to zero Golden Globe nominations because Brokeback Mountain got nominated for pretty much everything... sick...
I haven't seen King Kong, but I did see both Narnia and Brokeback. Narnia was fun, but I don't think it deserves a best picture award. It had great costumes, the kid actors were good, and the special effects were amazing -- but I think Brokeback is a better film. Ledger and Gyllenhall were OUTSTANDING, the direction was exceptional, and the tight screenplay seals the deal. This story sticks with you. A truly impressive film.
 
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Fireball1244 said:
Wouldn't that include a responsibility to the part of the community that is comprised of gays and lesbians, many of whom are in relationships just as loving, committed and supportive as the average heterosexual relationship?
You must have a very dim view of heterosexual relationships if there is any honesty to that statement. The vast majority of homosexuals are far from monogamous. The situation they're in, which is filled with casual sex, drugs, STD, depression and suicide needs to be looked at with pity - and the rigors of the homosexual lifestyle are to blame for most of it. Look at it this way: The amountof children who die or get injured from sticking their fingers into light sockets is appaling. So should we discourage the behavior they're doing that hurts them, or encourage them to keep doing it?

What does the scientific evidence show about homosexuality?

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of diagnostic disorders. In retrospect, this decision appears to have been inspired by political pressure rather than medical evidence.

Homosexuals of both sexes remain fourteen times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexuals47 and 3½ times more likely to commit suicide successfully.48 Thirty years ago, this propensity toward suicide was attributed to social rejection, but the numbers have remained largely stable since then despite far greater public acceptance than existed in 1973. Study after study shows that male and female homosexuals have much higher rates of interpersonal maladjustment, depression, conduct disorder, childhood abuse (both sexual and violent), domestic violence, alcohol or drug abuse, anxiety, and dependency on psychiatric care than heterosexuals.49 Life expectancy of homosexual men was only forty-eight years before the AIDS virus came on the scene, and it is now down to thirty-eight.50 Only 2 percent of homosexual men live past age sixty-five.51

Male homosexuals are prone to cancer (especially anal cancer, which is almost unheard-of in male heterosexuals) and various sexually transmitted diseases, including urethritis, laryngitis, prostatitis, hepatitis A and B, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and genital warts (which are caused by the human papilloma virus, which also causes genital cancers).52 Lesbians are at lower risk for STDs but at high risk for breast cancer.53 Homosexuals of both sexes have high rates of drug abuse, including cocaine, marijuana, LSD and other psychedelics, barbiturates, and amyl nitrate.54

Male homosexuals are particularly prone to develop sexually transmitted diseases, in part because of the high degree of promiscuity displayed by male homosexuals. One study in San Francisco showed that 43 percent of male homosexuals had had more than 500 sexual partners.55 Seventy-nine percent of their sexual partners were strangers. Only 3 percent had had fewer than ten sexual partners.56 The nature of sodomy contributes to the problem among male homosexuals. The rectum is not designed for sex. It is very fragile. Indeed, its fragility and tendency to tear and bleed is one factor making anal sex such an efficient means of transmitting the AIDS and hepatitis viruses.

Lesbians, in contrast, are less promiscuous than male homosexuals but more promiscuous than heterosexual women: One large study found that 42 percent of lesbians had more than ten sexual partners.57 A substantial percentage of them were strangers. Lesbians share male homosexuals' propensity for drug abuse, psychiatric disorder, and suicide.58

The statistics speak for themselves: If homosexuals of either gender are finding satisfaction, why the search for sex with a disproportionately high number of strangers? In view of the evidence, homosexuals will not succeed at establishing exclusive relationships. Promiscuity is a hard habit for anyone to break, straight or homosexual. Promiscuous heterosexuals often fail to learn fidelity; male homosexuals are far more promiscuous than heterosexual males, and therefore far more likely to fail. Lesbians are more promiscuous than heterosexual women. There is little good data on the stability of lesbian relationships, but it is reasonable to speculate that their higher rates of promiscuity and various deep-seated psychological problems would predispose them to long-term relational instability. Existing evidence supports this speculation.59

The more radical homosexual activists flaunt their promiscuity, using it as a weapon against what they call "bourgeois respectability."60 But even more conservative advocates of gay marriage such as New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan admit that for them, "fidelity" does not mean complete monogamy, but just somewhat restrained promiscuity.61 In other words, they admit that exclusiveness will not happen. And without exclusiveness, their "marriages" will have little meaning.

http://www.catholic.com/library/gay_marriage.asp
 
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revrobor said:
It's a homosexual love story and homosexuality IS the focus. I have better things to do with my time than watch a film in which the producers try to make homosexual sex acceptable. After more than a quarter of a century in the movie theatre business I am grieved at the downhill slide the industry has taken.
To call it a "gay cowboy movie" is an oversimplification.

Perhaps if you actually saw it, then you would see that the sex is very minimal and there is absolutely no PC grandstanding. It's a very moving story for those who can see the characters as humans and not sin-vessels. It's about the inexorable unhappiness of modern times, not about gay sex, not about infidelity, not about an assault on your Christian sensibilites.
 
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twistedsketch said:
Gay lovers in the Old West? Forget it. It's an insult to Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, and the whole genre of Westerns.
If you actually saw it, you would see that the characters are incredibly masculine. And as another poster pointed out, it's set in the 1960-1980s; hardly Old West.
 
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