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That's a good point. I mean, it might seem like a good idea for them to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but what about their freedom to choose? And maybe one of them saw a months old youtube video quoting another video saying that washing their hands wasn't effective. And really, how many of you have done the research first hand to really know that they need to instead of blindly accepting the science on faith?What we know about the efficacy can change and it did since then. We know more now how effective they are.
Do you like to eat at restaurants where the cooks use the bathroom and then don't wash their hands before handling your food?
Despite that it seems pretty effective at killing people. So I'm not even sure what this objection is supposed to mean. Do you?This virus is more of a tool than a disease.
What was that you were just saying about strawmen?
Here's a crazy idea: how about we do all three? I can wear a mask, practice social distancing, and practice proper hygiene all at the same time. Coincidentally, that's what the CDC recommends as well. Do you have any evidence that wearing masks is causing people to take unnecessary risks that they wouldn't otherwise?
My understanding is that it's not really airborne on that level. It's mainly carried on droplets of saliva and mucus that you experience when you breathe/talk/sing/cough/sneeze/etc. These don't stay in the air very long and are relatively easy to filter out.
relatively easy to filter out.
You can start by debunking the video....then let me know if you know what a fit test is.What makes you think they're wrong?
Citation needed. You certainly haven't provided any scientific facts in this thread so far.
The topic of masks is beginning to bore me.I appreciate the irony of another attempt to ignore the subject, even when the subject is the pattern of using right-wing propaganda to ignore a subject.
The mask does its best work in reducing the odds that a person who already has the virus will spread it. That is, a person should be wearing a mask more for other's protection, rather than his own. But he doesn't want to because his head is packed with politically motivated misinformation which he prefers to the truth because it feeds his biases. What to do? Providing the correct information doesn't seem to help. I'm afraid the only answer is the force of law.View attachment 281032
Do you see the scare quotes denoting sarcasm? Hmm?
The problem with the mask is not the masks themselves. The problem is with those who believe they can force an issue on me even arresting or fining me for something that doesn't even work.
You can go wear a mask. Leave me be. But we can't do that, can we? We need to make absolutely certain everyone holds to what you believe is necessary.
No it's not, but they sure make it out to be like that. People tell you are trying to kill children just because you don't have a face mask on. It isn't even that contagious, but you better wear one anyways.
Not with a N95 or below it isn't. Look it up. N95 only filters an estimated 95% of .3 microns. Covid-19 is .06 to .14 microns. You are not filtering a darn thing. Stupid mask is nothing but a status symbol. Cloth mask? Forget it... won't even catch dust or sand from driving down a dirt road.
The mask does its best work in reducing the odds that a person who already has the virus will spread it. /QUOTE]
When those odds are scientifically presented...measured...get back to us.
It's delusional. Honest question because I find it important. How many here are APR/PAPR/SCBA certified or licensed for hazmat at or above IDLH warm zone response?
Why is that important? People who have had zero training, have never sat in a class, or have never been in a lethal environment are running around thinking they are safe by improperly using paper respirators, PPE's, and cloth masks. The entire notion is feeding off of fear from ignorance.
What is being discussed... is a paper or cloth mask used to keep a contagion from spreading. Why don't professionals/first responders use paper masks when working with level C3 contagion? This is half/full mask APR/PAPR territory. Paper masks are level D. No IDLH. (Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health) A contagion, is at, or above IDLH.
Have you ever actually looked at how many people do not wear a mask correctly? The bridge of their nose, or their nose is outside of the mask. And if you got a beard, or large enough mustache you are breathing through your facial hair.
Then there are the masks themselves. How many days have you been breathing your warm, most breath through that filter? How many germ and bacteria colonies are you rebreathing? How about sweat? If you have a washable mask, what are you washing it in? What chemicals are you inhaling all day from that laundry detergent and fabric softener that smells so good?
How about contaminates and decontamination? Whenever you leave a contaminated area you need to throw away whatever PPE you utilized in that area, wash up, and use new PPE for the next area. Is that being adhered to? If not, you are doing nothing except carrying that contamination with you. And putting it right back on your face in the next area. And then you have people that wear the same gloves, that have everything they have ever came in contact with all day long all over them, going from one place to the next touching things. Brilliant!!
This is a nightmare in the terms of actually spreading a virus.
The mask does its best work in reducing the odds that a person who already has the virus will spread it.
But he doesn't want to because his head is packed with politically motivated misinformation which he prefers to the truth because it feeds his biases.
I'm afraid the only answer is the force of law.
I was referring to the part not in quotes. No one in this thread has claimed that "a paper mask is the only thing that will protect you."Do you see the scare quotes denoting sarcasm? Hmm?
And how big are the saliva/mucus droplets that the virus is primarily carried in? As I said, and you agreed, the virus itself isn't airborne.Not with a N95 or below it isn't. Look it up. N95 only filters an estimated 95% of .3 microns. Covid-19 is .06 to .14 microns. You are not filtering a darn thing. Stupid mask is nothing but a status symbol. Cloth mask? Forget it... won't even catch dust or sand from driving down a dirt road.
Surely you're aware of the fact that people can have COVID-19 and be asymptomatic or have only very mild symptoms that they may not recognize? And that those people are still contagious? Or that the virus is transmissible before symptoms manifest?That person should be quarantined. You quarantine the sick, not the healthy.
How do you know that they have the virus? they may be asymptomatic.That person should be quarantined. You quarantine the sick, not the healthy.
If you know all that much about it, why do you keep posting ignorant nonsense?Nothing to do with politics good sir. I have worked with SCBA/APR. This is nonsensical. I have worked with chlorine gas when working for the county. You can use a rescue full face APR for that in a pinch, but need to be suited up with SCBA during prolonged exposure. Also, underground enclosed spaces down here tend to gather 'swamp gasses' due to the high water table and decomp of foliage. Depending on what it is, you can get away with a PAPR with the right cartridge. It is a lot more comfortable to breath with a bottle or a fan when you or doing strenuous work than sucking thru a steaming up APR.
But the truth is... you don't pick up a paper mask and go to work in those conditions. Neither do first responders concerning hazmat.
Yes, I know--you've got to protect your rats.There is no authority to do so.
And how big are the saliva/mucus droplets that the virus is primarily carried in? As I said, and you agreed, the virus itself isn't airborne.
How do you know that they have the virus? they may be asymptomatic.
If you know all that much about it, why do you keep posting ignorant nonsense?
I no longer subscribe to the various flavors of Christian eschatology, but if I still did, I very well could see the mask as "mark-practice". Testing the waters of society to see how compliant the majority are. I haven't looked very hard, but it seems to me on the surface that very few Christians here have made that connection (whether or not it's an accurate one). I mean, I'm sure we've got folks here who have no problem viewing something like Harry Potter as a gateway to AntiChrist domination, and yet when it comes to something even more directly obvious like the mask/mark thing.... nothing but the sound of crickets.Rolls eyes.
The bottom line....place the country and world into panic...lock you down...destroy the economy...then allow the New World Order to take over....like your bible says is going to happen.
This may or may not be a precursor to the White Horse in Revelation...perhaps its practice, but it's coming.
Then why focus on the size of the virus?Many times larger than the size of the virus itself. I agree with that point.
I agree, that's kind of stupid. However, I also recognize that people are scared, and people do stupid things when they're scared. If I can make people slightly less scared by doing one simple thing (like wearing a mask), why wouldn't I?I get sick of these Karens that are so 20 feet away from me, yelling at me from the other gas pump because I do not have a mask on. It is stupid. Go away. 6 feet... get it in your head.
Or Im behind a glass window. These people...
The whole thing is just nuts.
This point is ludicrous, the idea that if people don't do something correctly that we should just quit doing it altogether, and even talk about how it won't work, rather than try to educate and improve things.
Have you ever actually looked at how many people do not wear a mask correctly? The bridge of their nose, or their nose is outside of the mask. And if you got a beard, or large enough mustache you are breathing through your facial hair.
Then there are the masks themselves. How many days have you been breathing your warm, most breath through that filter? How many germ and bacteria colonies are you rebreathing? How about sweat? If you have a washable mask, what are you washing it in? What chemicals are you inhaling all day from that laundry detergent and fabric softener that smells so good?
How about contaminates and decontamination? Whenever you leave a contaminated area you need to throw away whatever PPE you utilized in that area, wash up, and use new PPE for the next area. Is that being adhered to? If not, you are doing nothing except carrying that contamination with you. And putting it right back on your face in the next area. And then you have people that wear the same gloves, that have everything they have ever came in contact with all day long all over them, going from one place to the next touching things. Brilliant!!
This is a nightmare in the terms of actually spreading a virus.
rather than try to educate and improve things.
Yes. People are much better off adhering to social distancing, and proper hygiene. People have a false sense of security behind a mask that lets them act in ways they wouldn't if they felt how vulnerable they still were.
If you wear gloves or a mask... it's once and done. If not, all you are doing is contaminating other areas, and rebreathing whatever you felt you filtered from a contaminated area.
Then why focus on the size of the virus?
I agree, that's kind of stupid. However, I also recognize that people are scared, and people do stupid things when they're scared. If I can make people slightly less scared by doing one simple thing (like wearing a mask), why wouldn't I?
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