Boycott ABC

[christian-only]

The horribly blasphemous program "Jesus and Paul" demands that everyone who claims to be a Christian cease watching and or supporting ABC. No more ABC, no more Disney, unless you think funding antichristian programs is what the Lord desires for you to do. In fact, just delete ABC's channel from your TV so you don't even have to pass by it to get to others anymore.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

I don't watch any ABC television anyway. I don't know what affect that boycotting that channel will have.

 

[USincognito]

Did you actually watch the show? (this is addressed to the OP, not Jeremiah's comment - we posted simultaneously.)

 

[Christy4Christ]

I am watching it. There are several things that I do not agree with but there are several things that are not so bad. ABC has announced that if you want to know more about Jesus go to beliefnet.com and I have to say that is admirable. We cannot expect a secular channel to always portray everything in the most perfect way. I think for the most part it is good to have this type of publicity for Jesus. I certainly do not feel this was bad enough to boycott ABC! I have seen much worse! The TV movie Judas was VERY bad in comparison.

 

[nadroj1985]

What was so offensive about the show?

 

[Christy4Christ]

The horribly blasphemous program "Jesus and Paul" demands that everyone who claims to be a Christian cease watching and or supporting ABC. No more ABC, no more Disney, unless you think funding antichristian programs is what the Lord desires for you to do. In fact, just delete ABC's channel from your TV so you don't even have to pass by it to get to others anymore.

May I ask what was the most "horribly blasphemous" part for you? There must be one point that is causing this reaction from you.

 

[christian-only]

The entire aim of the entire show was to make you believe that Paul just made up everything that he wrote and that Jesus didn't approve of it. And, it was an obvious ploy to promote homosexuality. The Assyrian Baptists guy, for example said basically that Paul's writings are bunk because Jesus (in his opinion) would accept homosexuals whereas Paul taught they will not inherit the kingdom of God. He also said that the apostles were prone to error like you and I and that we can't wholly trust what they wrote, thus leaving the viewer with the impression that they'd be better off making up their own religion than reading the Bible. And, of course, Jennings kept refering to Christianity as the "Jesus Movement" indicating that he got most of his junk from the "Jesus Seminar" which is constantly trying to destroy God's Holy Word. Throughout the entire thing he was trying to persuade you that Paul didn't really see the risen Christ, that Christ didn't rise, or at least didn't rise bodily, and that Paul just made stuff up or changed Jesus' message whenever he saw an opportunity to bring in more people. Now, honestly, if that doesn't offend you, you need to evaluate your faith. Now there is also the fact that Jennings will not do a defamatory show like this against Islam - only against Christianity. Why? Because it's only acceptable to hate Christians in this country. Everyone else has rights.

 

[Cmarlin]

I also strongly disliked the show. It made the resurrection sound iffy, that only a few claimed to see Jesus. That is the basis of our faith in Him, it sound like it really even hapened. The Bible also sounded like a fable, not the inspired Word. BAD

 

[JPPT1974]

Only thing I watch on ABC is Monday Night Football!! Too liberal for me!!

 

[New Creation]

I"m excited that there has been so much Jesus stuff on network televsion these days. Usually there's SQUAT. People are hearing a LOT about Jesus these days. More than I've ever seen in my life!!! I"m sure it will get people talkig and exploring. Hey you never know, myabe one person will come to Christ because of it. Maybe some people will go to church to find things out or buy a Bible and begin to read it. I'm glad it was on. There was a lot of opinion on there, and while I don't agree with everything that was said, (like I don't agree about everything with my fellow brethren), I think it was done respectfully. I don't have the bitter taste in my mouth that you seem to christian-only.

 

[†Neil†]

will you stop being a fundo? its called freedom of speech. if they want to voice their opinion then let them. your going to boycott a WHOLE broadcasting corporation because of ONE show? LOL please crawl back into your hole whence you came from.

 

[clinzey]

The entire aim of the entire show was to make you believe that Paul just made up everything that he wrote and that Jesus didn't approve of it.

That's not true. If you had watched the show and understood its meaning you would have seen that the aim was to show the historical movement of our faith from Jesus to Paul, not that Paul made things up. As for Jesus not approving, what they said was that Jesus and Paul would both disapprove of the way some people (like the Nazis or the Inquisition) have twisted their words for evil purposes.

And, it was an obvious ploy to promote homosexuality. The Assyrian Baptists guy, for example said basically that Paul's writings are bunk because Jesus (in his opinion) would accept homosexuals whereas Paul taught they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

It's not a ploy to promote homosexuality. They said that even though the Bible comes against homosexuals that Jesus would have hung out with such people (like Jesus says, it's not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick).

He also said that the apostles were prone to error like you and I

They were mere men, not gods.

And, of course, Jennings kept refering to Christianity as the "Jesus Movement" indicating that he got most of his junk from the "Jesus Seminar" which is constantly trying to destroy God's Holy Word.

Calling the Christian faith the "Jesus Movement" is no reference to the "Jesus Seminar." It was a reference to the faith that followed Jesus as opposed to traditional Judaism and Greco-Roman religions.

As for the show itself, the scholars they interviewed represented both conservative and liberal belief.

Throughout the entire thing he was trying to persuade you that Paul didn't really see the risen Christ, that Christ didn't rise, or at least didn't rise bodily, and that Paul just made stuff up or changed Jesus' message whenever he saw an opportunity to bring in more people.

This is not what the show was saying. They said that the disciples very definately did see something that changed their faith and courage, even though we can't physically prove it today. And they never claimed Paul made stuff up, but no Christian can deny that Paul addressed things and approached subjects that Jesus never did.

Now there is also the fact that Jennings will not do a defamatory show like this against Islam - only against Christianity. Why? Because it's only acceptable to hate Christians in this country.

Jennings was very respectful to the Christian faith and the men and women of faith whom he interviewed.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Jesus would have accepted homosexuals! It's not that He would have given them the OK to be married or anything but He never would have turned them away. How well do you know Jesus? I have news for you Paul himself would have tried to help a homosexual and not just cast him aside. We are called to love ALL people, everyone. We do not get to choose who we love! Love your neighbor is a blanket, it covers every single person on this earth.

I hate to tell you but when you try and cast people away from you based on thier sin, rather than try to help them and love them, you become like the pharisees.

 

[GMRELIC]

Jesus would have accepted homosexuals! It's not that He would have given them the OK to be married or anything but He never would have turned them away. How well do you know Jesus? I have news for you Paul himself would have tried to help a homosexual and not just cast him aside. We are called to love ALL people, everyone. We do not get to choose who we love! Love your neighbor is a blanket, it covers every single person on this earth.

I hate to tell you but when you try and cast people away from you based on thier sin, rather than try to help them and love them, you become like the pharisees.

Well said, God Bless

 

[Christy4Christ]

Well said, God Bless

Thank you, God Bless you too!


Nothing upsets me more than a "holier than thou" attitude.

 

[aggie03]

Jesus would have accepted homosexuals! It's not that He would have given them the OK to be married or anything but He never would have turned them away. How well do you know Jesus? I have news for you Paul himself would have tried to help a homosexual and not just cast him aside. We are called to love ALL people, everyone. We do not get to choose who we love! Love your neighbor is a blanket, it covers every single person on this earth.

I hate to tell you but when you try and cast people away from you based on thier sin, rather than try to help them and love them, you become like the pharisees.

I don't think that's the point that was being made. I think that Jesus would have accepted homosexuals if they were willing to change. That's the whole idea of repentance

We must never lose sight of the fact that sin is sin. Those who lie are no better off than those who steal, than those who fornicate, than those who are homosexuals. Someone who lies and will not repent is no more accpetable than someone who is a homosexual and will not repent.

I believe that this is something that christian-only understands and was what he meant by his post. In my understanding he mean that those homosexuals who expect to be accepted without having to change, without having to repent, are the ones who will be in trouble.

This does not mean that we shouldn't love them as we are commanded to love all in the command to love our neighbors - but we must understand that if we really do love them, then we will not shy away from trying to teach them the truth and help them to repent of their sins.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I don't think that's the point that was being made. I think that Jesus would have accepted homosexuals if they were willing to change. That's the whole idea of repentance

We must never lose sight of the fact that sin is sin. Those who lie are no better off than those who steal, than those who fornicate, than those who are homosexuals. Someone who lies and will not repent is no more accpetable than someone who is a homosexual and will not repent.

I believe that this is something that christian-only understands and was what he meant by his post. In my understanding he mean that those homosexuals who expect to be accepted without having to change, without having to repent, are the ones who will be in trouble.

This does not mean that we shouldn't love them as we are commanded to love all in the command to love our neighbors - but we must understand that if we really do love them, then we will not shy away from trying to teach them the truth and help them to repent of their sins.

My comments were speaking to the idea that Jesus would turn away a sinner. The guy on the interview only said "Jesus would not have turned away a homosexual" he did not go into any further detail.

 

[aggie03]

will you stop being a fundo? its called freedom of speech.

With freedom comes responsibility. They have the freedom to say what they wish (within the boundaries established by the Supreme Court concerning the first ammendment), BUT they must also be willing to accept the responsibility and the consequences for the things that they say.

We're also free to boycott them if we don't like what they air

I personally have not seen the program, so I will refrain from offering any opinion regarding its content, but from what I've seen written, I don't think that I'm going to rush out and watch it.

if they want to voice their opinion then let them.

As long as they're willing to accept the responsibility and consequences of the opinions they voice.

your going to boycott a WHOLE broadcasting corporation because of ONE show?

Sure, why not? American colonists boycotted a whole tea company because of one measley little act. This is how common people who do not have the ability to broadcast a counter-message voice their opinion

LOL please crawl back into your hole whence you came from.

I think this was uncalled for and rude; I believe an apology in order

Ad hominem attacks never do anything to advance your position or thoughts.

 

[Christy4Christ]

LOL please crawl back into your hole whence you came from.

This was a VERY good display of Christian love, I am sure Jesus is smiling down on you right now.

 

[TerryR]

What I took from the show is that they tried to paint Paul in the light that 1. That Paul was writing these his letters out of his own ideas and beliefs along with the writers of the Gospels 2. He claimed he was the best apostle . Not at any time during this show was it revealed in that these truths were Revelation knowledge. Paul himself admits in 1 Cor 2:13 that the wisdom he and fellow apostles were teaching was not taught by human wisdom, but by the Spirit, expressing spritual truths in spirtual words. Instead of expressing that, the seemed to be trying to show there was this short, bald radical "Jesus freak" teaching something totally contrary to what the other major Christian leaders were teaching, and deveating from what Jesus taught but that was not true. Christ through Paul was expanding on his 3 year ministry, and revealing the mysteries of the spritual gifts given to man. Paul had surrendered his life to Christ and through him, that is Paul, the Holy Spirit was bringing the truth to the uncirumcised. As for Paul claiming he was the best apostle, read 1 Cor 15:9. The entire teaching of Paul was about the grace of God through the sacrifice of atonement made by Jesus Christ, and the Christian life that we should lead. Basically to live like you are leaving for heaven today.
The show was just another secular attempt to, in their own minds, understand, explain, and rationalize Jesus and his ministry. As I come to read and learn more of the mysteries of God by being in the Word, I understand the reason why this is happening. It is clearly spelled out in 1 Cor 2:14-16. Basically what it says is a man not reborn by water and Spirit cannot attempt to grasp, accept, or understand the things that come from the Spirit, because, the Spirit must discern and reveal the knowledge to you. In my opinion, literally, is as another avenue that the enemy, the accuser of the brethren, uses to jumble the minds of men.. What he does is mix in truth with lies, and it makes out God to be a liar. Same thing he did with Eve. (God) Eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will die (spritually.) (satan) You shall surely not die (physical death) but your eyes will be opened and you will be like God. He told the truth, but not the whole truth, and in such created a sense of confusion and doubt in Gods Word. Same exact thing, satans message hasn't changed, he has just gone hi tech now.

God Bless