Bovine fossils and evolution

[xianghua]

Have you seen this paper? It includes a comprehensive phylogenetic tree with references to various fossils used in the calibration of said tree: A multi-calibrated mitochondrial phylogeny of extant Bovidae (Artiodactyla, Ruminantia) and the importance of the fossil record to systematics | BMC Evolutionary Biology | Full Text



Just out of curiosity, but what is your current conceptual understanding of biological evolution and how it relates to the fossil record? Because the above question seems a bit odd, especially in conjunction with the definition of species you provided.

from your link:

"In all three cases, there is an apparent lack of correlation between the rate and amount of molecular and morphological evolution that has taken place e.g. [94]. Perhaps homoplasy, whether of nucleotide substitutions or as a result of the convergence or reversal of morphological characters, could be further investigated as a potential cause for the discrepancies between molecular and morphological distances at these nodes."

so when it's not fit well with the evidence they are claiming for "convergent evolution".

 

[Hank77]

Sorry, that is not what I want to know.

Well I didn't think so.

 

[SkyWriting]

Just like your Bible is only "on paper". We have reliable evidence for only one of them.

Such comments provide the opportunity to inform others.

Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2013
Biblical Archaeology's Top 10 Discoveries of 2014
Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2015
Top 10 Biblical Archaeology Discoveries in 2016
Biblical Archaeology Review Magazine - Biblical Archaeology Society

 

[Jimmy D]

I'd suggest that the best way of learning isn't by posting questions on a forum. If I could suggest some reading material for you....

Prothero, D. R.; Schoch, R. M. (2002). Horns, Tusks, and Flippers : the Evolution of Hoofed Mammals. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press.

Savage, R.J.G.; Long, M.R. (1986). Mammal Evolution: an illustrated guide.

Maceachern S., McEwan J., Goddard M. (2009) Phylogenetic reconstruction and the identification of ancient polymorphism in the Bovini tribe (Bovidae, Bovinae). BMC Genomics 10(1):177


Croft, D. A., Heaney, L. R., Flynn, J. J., Bautista, A. P. (2006). Fossil remains of a new, diminutive Bubalus (Artiodactyla: Bovidae: Bovini) from Cebu island, Philippines. Journal of Mammalogy 87(5)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Such comments provide the opportunity to inform others.

Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2013
Biblical Archaeology's Top 10 Discoveries of 2014
Biblical Archaeology's Top Ten Discoveries of 2015
Top 10 Biblical Archaeology Discoveries in 2016
Biblical Archaeology Review Magazine - Biblical Archaeology Society

Nice to see. So since the theory of evolution has thousands of times that evidence for it then you clearly accept it.

You see, I was arguing by AV's standards. We all know that there is a historical basis for much of the Bible. It is mainly the myths of Genesis that need to be properly explained. Evolution does that.

 

[SkyWriting]

You see, I was arguing by AV's standards. We all know that there is a historical basis for much of the Bible. It is mainly the myths of Genesis that need to be properly explained. Evolution does that.

Fictional imagined events do not exceed the benefits of faith.

 

[SkyWriting]

Nice to see. So since the theory of evolution has thousands of times that evidence for it then you clearly accept it.

No historical events can be repeated except in the imagination.
And if you repeat those imaginings, they become as real as
actual events to the brain.

The mind can decipher no difference between imagined reality and reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fictional imagined events do not exceed the benefits of faith.

This makes no sense. You seem to be saying that the Adam and Eve story do not exceed the benefits of faith.

I guess that is so. One does not need to believe the myths of Genesis to be a Christian.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No historical events can be repeated except in the imagination.
And if you repeat those imaginings, they become as real as
actual events to the brain.

The mind can decipher no difference between imagined reality and reality.

Wait a second, are you now denigrating the links that you provided? You are not being very consistent.

 

[Job 33:6]

Here is a better photo of a bovine from the Ice Age.
Ice Age Fossils and Construction Workers Collide

That ice age bison is possibly the coolest thing ever...

 

[Job 33:6]

Are you saying that a mammoth is of the same species as a cow?

That image he posted there had an megafauna bison in it. That is a prehistoric ancestor, as fossils are considered, to modern cattle. And that was awesome by the way whoever posted that, that was a pretty cool looking skeleton.

 

[Job 33:6]

@tevans9129
In all fairness, the question

"Can you provide any physical evidence of what species and which specific entity of that species evolved into what specific entity of the bovine species?"

Has been answered now. At least two different prehistoric species of bison have been given (actual images).

To go beyond speciation to the prehistoric genus that preceeded modern day cattle, you would be looking at bos.


See below

Aurochs - Wikipedia
The aurochs (/ˈɔːrɒks/ or /ˈaʊrɒks/; pl. aurochs, or rarely aurochsen, aurochses), also urus, ure (Bos primigenius), is an extinct species of large wild cattle that inhabited Europe, Asia, and North Africa. It is the ancestor of domestic cattle. The species survived in Europe until the last recorded aurochs died in the Jaktorów Forest, Poland, in 1627.

Which were hunted to extinction. Pictures are included there on the wiki page.

 

[Job 33:6]

@tevans9129

The further you go back, you get into these "even toed ungulates"

Even-toed ungulate - Wikipedia
Entelodont - Wikipedia
Anthracotheriidae - Wikipedia
Merycoidodontoidea - Wikipedia
Cainotherium - Wikipedia

Some are interesting, like that last one Cainotherium, rabbit-like animals with even toed hooves. Hippo Ancestors, Pig ancestors, bison and giraffe ancestors. Looks like when you go back, you get morphological relatedness of all the mammalian even toed ungulates in the last 50 million years. And this includes whales, some people like to ignore their evolutionary history. They arent fish, they breathe air and are warm blooded just like the ungulates. Why? Because they were originally land animals, and they maintained those traits as they moved into the sea.