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They're not really CHRISTian when they go against Jesus's, Who is God, commandments numerously to NOT kill ("Do NOT kill" Matthew, Mark, Luke, "You've heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement," ;John 8:1-11 stops the stoning of the woman; "Do NO violence" John the baptist Luke; "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword," "No more of this!"..cont), especially when He states, "Those who do not follow me, are not worthy of me." Hence, CHRIST in the term. JESUS, who is God, is central.Most people in the U.S. military.
That's because most people reserve the term for Muslims (along with terrorists). SOMETIMES it's used for Christians, but it still seems to be painful to media outlets to refer to them as such (like when Anders Breivik went on that shooting spree.....FOX had such a difficult time calling him a Christian terrorist).
The text is known though, and 109 verses at the least say to kill non-muslims, Mohammad even states "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and there are endless examples of them being commanded to kill, e.g., the woman with the 5 sons who wrote a poem in anger for one her friends getting killed, when the killer asked if he should feel guilty for murdering her, Mohammad stated "Her death is as worthless as two goats butting heads." There is also the blind man who is murdered after he throws dirt and his head is split open.Yes, you do have to be a mind reader to say what you have. You act like you know them or that you know how Muslims act/think/feel. News flash: you don't. You're not an expert on us. And we don't have a uniform way of acting/thinking/feeling either.
It can't make you, but it can have many texts which support violence, murder, warfare or death penalty, especially by Mohammad which is #1 leader in that group, the center. He commands much killing and does it also. 800-900 in Medina, e.g.1.) My religion doesn't make us do what they did. Because otherwise, you'd have a hell of a lot more Muslims doing that.
The women RUNNING away from the scene I'd say were "non-combatants" (as if it matters, ALL killing IS murder, no matter the circumstance) when an arrow was thrust in their path to trap them, then they were sold into slavery or killed, or how about the one-eyed shepherd who was sleeping when a sword was thrust through one of his eyes to the back of his neck,meaning he was murdered? The only thing he said was "I will never be a muslim" then went to sleep, when the man who killed him pretended he was also not a Muslim, then killed him in his sleep.2.) Islaamic teachings WEREN'T a factor here. If they had proper Islaamic knowledge & insight/wisdom, they'd know that it is not Islaamic to intentionally target non-combatants even against the enemies. So how were marathon runners and the spectators their combatant enemies, according to you?
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What about the 10 million Hindus killed and Mohammad saying "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and the multiple examples and commands to murder/do violence. Death penalty and warfare are also not considered murder when murder is when a human being takes the life of another human being in ANY circumstance. When does "death penalty" "warfare" "killing unbelievers" gets blurred in just about ANY circumstance of a person taking the life of another person, AKA murder? Mohammad killed people and told them to kill, many shown murdered. It is in numerous texts, Quaran, including Hadith.it was their misguided religious view, but you can't even go that far because we don't know much about their religious views except that they believe in Allaah as the only God and Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as the final Prophet (since that's a criteria of being Muslim).
Russia's Caucasus: breeding ground for terror
Maybe finally we can have a better relationship with Russia, with this new common enemy.
Russia's Caucasus: breeding ground for terror
Maybe finally we can have a better relationship with Russia, with this new common enemy.
I've already heard this and this is taken out of context, Jesus did not mean a literal sword, He meant He was going to cause controversy between people, families.Matthew 10:34
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
34 “Do not think that I came to [a]bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Newsflash: Just because two persons from a specific ethnicity committed this atrocity, it does not mean that ALL those of the same ethnicity are now anyone's enemies.
That's what you're saying, not what I'm saying.
Were they? On what are you basing that statement?The brothers were highly professional
Wait, I thought they made bombs out of pressure cookers? That's homemade, not 'military grade'. The scale of the firefights suggest they had powerful firearms, and Ill be interested to learn how they obtained those.and heavily armed with military-grade equipment.
What qualifies an 'affiliation' to Al Qaeda, in your opinion? Do they need to have been directly trained, funded and/or equipped, or is it enough to have been 'inspired' by Al Qaeda (ie reading certain websites etc)? Can you give me examples of some militant Islamist organisations, who you do not consider to be affiliated to Al Qaeda, and some examples of attacks they've committed?As more evidence pours in, there can be little doubt that we are dealing here with an Islamic Jihadi -- probably affiliated with Al Qaeda.
Because you brought it up, and I want you to realize what a silly notion it is.Well if you don't think it's worth mentioning, why even respond to it?
Didn't we remove that depleted uranium from Iraq entirely...
That WEREN'T Iraqis? I don't know.Seriously how many people did US forces kill in Iraq that were not Iraqis? I know it is a rather large number.
That might be the official statement, but when a nation possesses smart bombs that can pinpoint individuals, it becomes a harder argument to use.When we fight, we try to avoid killing women and children, the fact civilians get killed is a sad reality of any armed conflict.
Both are heinous and unjustified acts. And, honestly, it resulted in 4 deaths and a few hundred injured. That's like an hour in the day of an Iraqi during the invasion.What happened in Boston is entirely different because these 2 individuals were deliberately trying to kill or maim as many civilians as possible.
I was more trying to show how if you specify something so much, you're obviously going to get a specific group of people that is more likely to say that. Why not also ask how many groups are likely to grow beards, wear turbans/checkered hattas (those scarves), etc?The crusades happened a few centuries ago, so actually I'd be kinda surprised for Christians to pull something like that... Also the Jewish People have made it fairly clear that they aren't interested in conquering the region.
Maybe that's your view, but in Islaam we can never say with full certainty that we know what a person's heart contains. In fact, the Prophet got extremely upset with one of his companions when he learned that a companion killed a man during a battle even though he said the testimony of faith. The companion said that he only said it out of fear of the sword, whereupon the Prophet asked if the companion had cut open his chest to see what his heart contained. (paraphrased)You don't have to be a mind reader to figure out someone's intentions, though you do have to research their background.
Because it wasn't really relevant to what I was responding too.You left out how the people of Bosnia were attacked, but then the United States came to the aid of the people of Bosnia...
Just because you don't know of the internal dealings of Muslims doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Whatever is unIslaamic has been condemned as being unIslaamic.There can be fanatics within any religion, the question is do the moderate elements of said religion have the courage to denounce the behavior of the fanatics.
It's funny. I hear this a lot in arguments. For some reason, everyone thinks I watch FOX, but I never do.
I'm pretty sure that the Norway shooter(white guy) was labeled a terrorist too. And Timothy MCveigh(I still think he was a Muslim though).
Chechnya is not the Middle East. MOST Muslim fighters don't blow themselves up. And I still don't understand how you're connecting these dots where there aren't any dots to connect yet! All we really know is that they were Muslims, American citizens, and of Chechen origin. That's hardly enough information to say much at all.I don't need to be an expert on Muslims. But when a guy says allah akbar and blows himself up, it send the message. And this isn't something rare. It happens all the time in the middle east.
Nothing and no one can give Islaam a bad name. Islaam is perfect, its followers are not.I can probably guess what you're thinking now. You think that these guys are setting a bad name for Islam, and I agree they are.
1.) BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.But for you to sit there quietly and say nothing about the cause of this mess, and to act like Islam isn't a factor here, you're just helping them.
Go ahead.The religion itself may not directly make them do it, but let's talk about some of your clerics who condone the act. I'm not a Q'ran expert, but I can probably find some quotes who condone the act as well.
And I ask again how were they enemy combatants to these two brothers according to you?The runners were not the target, the spectators were. It was a large crowd, and these guys usually try to take out as many people at once as they can, so they go to crowded areas. What, you think a bomber will just target one guy?
Still sounds like its mainly about clashing ethnic groups. The religious motivation seems a pretty thin veneer.
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Just watched the video she posted. Apparently, when these Rahinga people tried to flee to neighboring Bangladesh(Muslim country), they were denied entry. So don't be so quick to point the finger at the Buhdists here
JESUS was anti-war, anti-killing, anti-weapons, and anti-violence, He, who is God, stated, "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword" and "No more of this!" to Peter who cut off a man's ear, who Jesus than healed. Did Jesus harm or kill anyone? Answer: NO. He NEVER harmed or killed ANYONE. He said "Do not kill" three times in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and also "You have heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement." HE is who is to be followed, the PERFECT, sinless example given to us to emulate.
They're not really CHRISTian when they go against Jesus's, Who is God, commandments numerously to NOT kill ("Do NOT kill" Matthew, Mark, Luke, "You've heard in the old times, those who kill another will face judgement," ;John 8:1-11 stops the stoning of the woman; "Do NO violence" John the baptist Luke; "Those who wield the sword, die by the sword," "No more of this!"..cont), especially when He states, "Those who do not follow me, are not worthy of me." Hence, CHRIST in the term. JESUS, who is God, is central.
The text is known though, and 109 verses at the least say to kill non-muslims, Mohammad even states "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and there are endless examples of them being commanded to kill, e.g., the woman with the 5 sons who wrote a poem in anger for one her friends getting killed, when the killer asked if he should feel guilty for murdering her, Mohammad stated "Her death is as worthless as two goats butting heads." There is also the blind man who is murdered after he throws dirt and his head is split open.
Further, your text commands you to "give 80 whip lashes" to women caught in adultery, this basically kills them also by beating them to death. If they amazingly survive that they could then die from septicemia, bacterial infections in the blood which are nearly often fatal. This is another example of killing.
It can't make you, but it can have many texts which support violence, murder, warfare or death penalty, especially by Mohammad which is #1 leader in that group, the center. He commands much killing and does it also. 800-900 in Medina, e.g.
The women RUNNING away from the scene I'd say were "non-combatants"
(as if it matters, ALL killing IS murder, no matter the circumstance) when an arrow was thrust in their path to trap them, then they were sold into slavery or killed, or how about the one-eyed shepherd who was sleeping when a sword was thrust through one of his eyes to the back of his neck,meaning he was murdered? The only thing he said was "I will never be a muslim" then went to sleep, when the man who killed him pretended he was also not a Muslim, then killed him in his sleep.
What about the 10 million Hindus killed and Mohammad saying "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us" and the multiple examples and commands to murder/do violence. Death penalty and warfare are also not considered murder when murder is when a human being takes the life of another human being in ANY circumstance. When does "death penalty" "warfare" "killing unbelievers" gets blurred in just about ANY circumstance of a person taking the life of another person, AKA murder? Mohammad killed people and told them to kill, many shown murdered. It is in numerous texts, Quaran, including Hadith.
Because you brought it up, and I want you to realize what a silly notion it is.
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This IS a discussion forum, you know.
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Don't worry. We all understand you're meaning, even if you refuse to specifically say it.
By all that is holy, I hate the "imply then deny" game you people play.
Nothing and no one can give Islaam a bad name. Islaam is perfect, its followers are not.
Islam is flawed from its very founding and from the very Quran its flawed, the fact you actually believe its "perfect" is laughable at best.
People can and do give Islam a "bad name" if they want too, your confusing the fact that because you think nothing or no one can give it a bad name, that it goes for everyone.
Its Islam itself that helps turn people into nutcases for the "cause", not nutcases who are "changing Islam"
If your truly Muslim, you should think anybody who is Muslim and becomes Christian should turn back or be executed (on a side note though, you all love showing off converts to Islam, boasting and going overboard on them "expressing there new faith", what a bunch of hypocrites), now its well and good that you lot can believe that, thats your choice, but dont expect me to respect, like or defend your religion, because when you support stuff like that you're an enemy to Christ and to my faith.
Oh, you're finally finished with your tirade? I wasn't sure.
Who asked you to respect, like, or defend my religion? Because I didn't. In fact, I'm not really interested at all in what you think.
As for Jesus (peace be upon him), I'm comfortable and confident in Islaam's view of him (i.e. not to exaggerate him to the status of God nor to demote him to the status of a non-Prophet). And I'm also confident that it is not me who he will consider an enemy of the message that he preached as long as I die a Muslim.
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