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People who are from families with alcoholism in their histories are going to be a lot more prone to succumbing to the condition; holding them to the same normal moral standard with regard to drink for “normal people” is wildly optimistic.

Alcoholism isn't purely genetic.

People who are prone to alcoholism can still exercise responsibility over the choices surrounding their propensity. If they kill somebody in a car accident due to alcohol, the legal system doesn't exonerate them. If they blow out their liver, it's going to be alot harder getting an organ transplant.
 
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Yes, you are correct, but with the near ubiquitousness of alcohol in our society means that those prone to abusing it are more likely to do so. Also denial, (“I might drink a lot but not like Dad used to!”) can get in the way of people seeing their poor choices for what they are.

Ascribing a moral judgment to behavior that one is nearly driven to do seems like a waste of time, since only an alcoholic can stop their drinking after acknowledging that they (themselves) are alcoholic.

Most people would like to think kindly of themselves and will forgive themselves of a whole bunch of stuff while avoiding the judgement levied at them from outside.

Using the “disease-model” for alcoholism removes this “shame” and can allow someone to actually see the damage that they’re doing to themselves and the people around them.
 
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The kind of knowing the forbidden fruit gave Adam was ontological not intellectual.
In order to know frogness fully one must be a frog.

Adam and Eve knew being good. They ate the forbidden fruit and knew evil, being themselves evil.
 
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I'm skeptical. Some people only quit because they are faced with legal or societal consequences of their behavior, not because they have some kind of deep insight into self-harm.
 
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I'm skeptical. Some people only quit because they are faced with legal or societal consequences of their behavior, not because they have some kind of deep insight into self-harm.
The insight comes later after enforced sobriety, (whistle-locks on cars, etc.), if at all.
 
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