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Truthfrees · Oct 1, 2018

@FreeinChrist

how long have you been watching aclj daily?

how long have you been watching f&f daily?

you bet veritas is being sued for exposing crooks - that's how crooks behave - but the video tells the truth - the person themselves exposes themselves on tape - not veritas' fault that someone confesses to wrongs and is caught on tape

FreeinChrist · Oct 1, 2018

Truthfrees said:
perhaps you and i have a different definition for biased

biased is when someone can say nothing good - or nothing bad

everyone has good points and bad - so fair is where the good and bad are shared

pbs can share nothing good about trump - and misrepresent God the bible and christianity

That is not what bias is.

bias | Definition of bias in English by Oxford Dictionaries

NOUN

1. mass noun Inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

It means the source is showing bias when they report from their own viewpoint of the topic rather than the fact and evidence. It is related to prejudice. Foxnews and Sekelow report with a right wing viewpoint over the facts in evidence.

If the facts show the a person negatively, then those are the facts. Reporting that a person did something bad, or shows bad character is not bias if that is born out of the facts.

veritas shows hidden videos - it's the person's own words - nothing but facts

That is ...hilarious. They edit their videos to show things as they wish, using deceit and lies to get to their targets.

aclj share facts and when people start getting unkind the hosts bring people back to the christian principle of praying for everyone rather than getting in their face/getting violent/harassing - they do everything legally and properly

jay sekulow has only been trump's lawyer for a short time compared to how long he has been hosting his daily broadcast - he's a straight arrow that stands up for what is right - being trump's lawyer does not change that fact

fox and friends shows what d's say and what r's say - they often give more time to what d's say

Fox News presents news to their own right wing aims. They are very biased in how they present the news.

This thread is on the border wall.

Truthfrees · Oct 1, 2018

FreeinChrist said:
Yes, so.
Check https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Media-Bias-Chart-2018_fig1_326557348

i certainly do not agree with who all they put in the factual category - if that is how you are deciding who is biased and who is factual we will be perpetually in disagreement

i listened to bbc - all they do is say "american sources say" and then they proceed to quote msm

the rest of them at the top are msm - they are opposed to anything christian/israeli/american/nationalist - open to anything muslim/atheist/globalist - that imo is biased - and as a christian i can't support it

FreeinChrist · Oct 1, 2018

Truthfrees said:
@FreeinChrist

how long have you been watching aclj daily?

how long have you been watching f&f daily?

you bet veritas is being sued for exposing crooks - that's how crooks behave - but the video tells the truth - the person themselves exposes themselves on tape - not veritas' fault that someone confesses to wrongs and is caught on tape

I have watched those shows over the years many times. They are truly biased against Democrats. Murdoch and Ailes were behind that.

And no, Project Veritas is not exposing crooks. The videos are heavily edited and set up.

James O’Keefe Pays $100K Settlement after Deceiving Public about ACORN (and ALEC Helped Take Down ACORN)

deceit

James O'Keefe and friends plead guilty in Mary Landrieu office caper

The Associated PressJames O'Keefe, left, leaves the St. Bernard Parish jail in January after his arrest at U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu's office.

The four defendants who were arrested in January in Sen. Mary Landrieu's office in the Hale Boggs federal complex in New Orleans pleaded guilty Wednesday morning in federal court to entering real property belonging to the United States under false pretenses.

Magistrate Judge Daniel Knowles III sentenced Stan Dai, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan each to two years probation, a fine of $1,500 and 75 hours of community service during their first year of probation.

James O'Keefe, as leader of the group and famous for posing as a pimp in ACORN office videos, received three years of probation, a fine of $1,500 and 100 hours of community service.

deceit again

The topic of this thread is the border wall.

FreeinChrist · Oct 1, 2018

Truthfrees said:
i certainly do not agree with who all they put in the factual category - if that is how you are deciding who is biased and who is factual we will be perpetually in disagreement

i listened to bbc - all they do is say "american sources say" and then they proceed to quote msm

the rest of them at the top are msm - they are opposed to anything christian/israeli/american/nationalist - open to anything muslim/atheist/globalist - that imo is biased - and as a christian i can't support it

I don't think you understand what bias is at all.

You are basically admitting to a right wing bias.

Truthfrees · Oct 1, 2018

FreeinChrist said:
That is not what bias is.

bias | Definition of bias in English by Oxford Dictionaries

NOUN

1. mass noun Inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair.

It means the source is showing bias when they report from their own viewpoint of the topic rather than the fact and evidence. It is related to prejudice. Foxnews and Sekelow report with a right wing viewpoint over the facts in evidence.

If the facts show the a person negatively, then those are the facts. Reporting that a person did something bad, or shows bad character is not bias if that is born out of the facts.

That is ...hilarious. They edit their videos to show things as they wish, using deceit and lies to get to their targets.

Fox News presents news to their own right wing aims. They are very biased in how they present the news.

This thread is on the border wall.

well all the guys at the top of that chart are biased left

so if we use your dictionary definition there is only left and right

there is no factual unbiased media then

as far as veritas editing in a deceitful way how do you know? - do you have the unedited versions? - everything i saw was clear - the questions were asked by veritas and the answers were given freely and boastfully

https://www.projectveritas.com/fact-or-fiction/

FreeinChrist · Oct 1, 2018

No, the guys are the top are not biased left. The Wall Street Journal is not left - it is owned by Murdoch. Look at the chart better. I don't think you understand what bias is.

Again (3rd) this thread is on the border wall.

Truthfrees · Oct 1, 2018

@FreeinChrist

putting this into perspective - i gave a list of 12 and you are totally opposed to 3 of them -

and 2 of the 3 you dislike are at the bottom of my list

but the impact of this conversation for me is that i now understand what you think is factual - and disagree with you

and i presume that you feel the same about what i think is factual

Truthfrees · Oct 1, 2018

FreeinChrist said:
I don't think you understand what bias is at all.

You are basically admitting to a right wing bias.

imo you are also admitting to left wing bias

Truthfrees · Oct 1, 2018

FreeinChrist said:
No, the guys are the top are not biased left. The Wall Street Journal is not left - it is owned by Murdoch. Look at the chart better. I don't think you understand what bias is.

Again (3rd) this thread is on the border wall.

yes the border wall is the topic - how did we get onto this?

biased is commentary - non-biased is just reporting the facts

so when any media starts giving commentary they are expressing a bias

when they avoid commentary and give facts they remain factual

that's the best i can do to reconcile what i know with what your chart says

iow every media will have some bias commentary and some factual information - and that chart is biased

Go Braves · Oct 2, 2018

Truthfrees said:
i explained how i can only give you cable options

accept that or not - but don't keep asking the same questions repeatedly

Since I never got the answers to the simple, fair questions I just shook my head & let it be. I'm glad at least I was able to contribute fact-based sources to the conversation.

Kaon · Oct 2, 2018

Is Mexico paying for the wall?

The Barbarian · Oct 2, 2018

blackribbon said:
The Berlin wall was build to divide a city...a city that once has been one city in one county. It divided families and neighbors and "Germans". The division created two new countries from a country that has once been one.

The wall on the southern border of the US is to divide TWO DIFFERENT countries...and keep the citizens of one country from illegally invading another.

There is no comparison.

You've never been to South Texas, have you?

The Barbarian · Oct 2, 2018

Kaon said:
Is Mexico paying for the wall?

Well, no. He just said that to make the sale.

Truthfrees · Oct 2, 2018

The Barbarian said:
Well, no. He just said that to make the sale.

actually didn't you hear that there is a new fair trade deal with mexico - so the hundreds of millions of dollars that puts back into america on a yearly basis is how mexico is paying for the wall

you didn't think when trump said mexico was paying that he meant they were going to pay the contractors building the wall did you?

we knew what he meant if you didn't

The Barbarian · Oct 2, 2018

Truthfrees said:
actually didn't you hear that there is a new fair trade deal with mexico - so the hundreds of billions of dollars that puts back into america on a yearly basis is how mexico is paying for the wall

You actually believe that the trade deal is going to give us hundreds of billions of dollars from Mexico? Last year, total exports to Mexico were about 270 billion.

you didn't think when trump said mexico was paying that he meant they were going to pay the contractors building the wall did you?

Last. time I checked, Trump was saying he intended to put a 20 percent tax on goods coming in from Mexico. Obviously, that would mean Americans would be paying for it. Trump dropped that idea when his staff explained to him why it wouldn't be Mexico paying for it. Now you're telling us about his new story. If you thought about it, you'd realize Mexico won't be paying that way, either.

we knew what he meant if you didn't

Everyone knows that wasn't his first story. Just saying.

Truthfrees · Oct 2, 2018

The Barbarian said:
You actually believe that the trade deal is going to give us hundreds of billions of dollars from Mexico? Last year, total exports to Mexico were about 270 billion.

Last. time I checked, Trump was saying he intended to put a 20 percent tax on goods coming in from Mexico. Obviously, that would mean Americans would be paying for it. Trump dropped that idea when his staff explained to him why it wouldn't be Mexico paying for it. Now you're telling us about his new story. If you thought about it, you'd realize Mexico won't be paying that way, either.

Everyone knows that wasn't his first story. Just saying.

the only thing with a 20% tax is steel and aluminum and possibly cars

that won't affect steel and aluminum and car prices for americans

it will block everyone from selling inferior steel/aluminum to america -

it will cause the american steel industry and the auto industry to strengthen -

blackribbon · Oct 3, 2018

Yes I did. I lived in Texas for over half my life. Regardless of how much of the culture has drifted into the US, the US border is real and not a fuzzy line.

Kaon · Oct 3, 2018

Truthfrees said:
actually didn't you hear that there is a new fair trade deal with mexico - so the hundreds of millions of dollars that puts back into america on a yearly basis is how mexico is paying for the wall

you didn't think when trump said mexico was paying that he meant they were going to pay the contractors building the wall did you?

we knew what he meant if you didn't

I thought it meant exactly what Trump said it meant - that Mexico was going to TOTALLY PAY FOR IT.

Meaning, no legalese circumlocution that begs the question of a phantom payment rather than evidence of an honorable agreement (i.e. an up front agreement). Mexico said it is never paying for a wall

Mexico’s foreign minister is again insisting his country will never pay for President Donald Trump’s long-promised border wall.

Trump was meeting with the president of FIFA Tuesday when he said his stalled wall “will be paid for, very easily, by Mexico. It will ultimately be paid for by Mexico.”

The comment came a day after Trump and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto held a celebratory call to announce the new deal.

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray Caso tweets that Mexico “just reached a trade understanding with the US, and the outlook for the relationship between our two countries is very positive.”

But he says his country has been “absolutely clear” that Mexico “will NEVER pay for a wall.”

The Latest: Mexico says again it will never pay for wall | Boston.com

So, you are deluded, role-playing or you are insinuating that Trump is going to fraud the Mexican government through a trade agreement.

Truthfrees · Oct 3, 2018

Kaon said:
I thought it meant exactly what Trump said it meant - that Mexico was going to TOTALLY PAY FOR IT.

Meaning, no legalese circumlocution that begs the question of a phantom payment rather than evidence of an honorable agreement (i.e. an up front agreement). Mexico said it is never paying for a wall

Mexico’s foreign minister is again insisting his country will never pay for President Donald Trump’s long-promised border wall.

Trump was meeting with the president of FIFA Tuesday when he said his stalled wall “will be paid for, very easily, by Mexico. It will ultimately be paid for by Mexico.”

The comment came a day after Trump and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto held a celebratory call to announce the new deal.

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray Caso tweets that Mexico “just reached a trade understanding with the US, and the outlook for the relationship between our two countries is very positive.”

But he says his country has been “absolutely clear” that Mexico “will NEVER pay for a wall.”

The Latest: Mexico says again it will never pay for wall | Boston.com

So, you are deluded, role-playing or you are insinuating that Trump is going to fraud the Mexican government through a trade agreement.

you missed what i said - you misunderstood what trump meant - o well - it will happen whether you understand or not - time will prove it - just as with all trump's promised kept

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