Border wall prototypes are up

[OldWiseGuy]

I guess the gaps are safe spaces.

The gaps are great places to funnel and apprehend illegals, who will no doubt avoid them.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Trump needs to visit the Statue of Liberty

STATUE OF LIBERTY

“Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free/The wretched refuse of your teeming shore/Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me/I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

That poem was for the dedication of the pedestal, not the statue. And the poem is incomplete, AND it was meant for European immigrants only.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There are posts on here I made prior to the election that outlined the trick that will be played and we're already seeing it happen. Quite simply, Trump and Trump loyalists will insist that fences and walls are identical. Trump already said there are many miles of "wall" at our border, when there are, in fact, miles of fencing. Some form of fence will be erected and Trump will claim that "the wall" was built. Trump loyalists will parrot the same. If it's pointed out that Trump talked about a wall of concrete and rebar,that will be swept under the rug. We'll likely be told something about MAGA and whatever.

What is needed is an inexpensive chain link fence topped with razor wire and patrolled by border guards, military, law enforcement, and guard dogs, as well as electronic and other high-tech surveillance methods. Such barriers are highly effective. This makes it feasible, cost effective, and effective at stopping illegal crossings. I don't believe that Trump has any intention of building an expensive, permanent wall.

 

[LoAmmi]

What is needed is an inexpensive chain link fence topped with razor wire and patrolled by border guards, military, law enforcement, and guard dogs, as well as electronic and other high-tech surveillance methods. Such barriers are highly effective. This makes it feasible, cost effective, and effective at stopping illegal crossings. I don't believe that Trump has any intention of building an expensive, permanent wall.

Do you want me to post the multiple times he spoke about a beautiful concrete wall? I'd rather not go through the pain of hearing that man's voice over and over again but I'll suffer it if you want proof.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you want me to post the multiple times he spoke about a beautiful concrete wall? I'd rather not go through the pain of hearing that man's voice over and over again but I'll suffer it if you want proof.

I would counter with a quote from his book, "The Art of the Deal", where he reveals the technique of presenting a completely outrageous proposal as a starting point for negotiations. The wall as proposed is an example of this imo.

On the other hand a wall as proposed will attract a lot of investment, provide lots of jobs, etc. I'm guessing he's waiting to see which plan will fly. A permanent wall would be a legacy for him, as would a good fence, if either were successful.

 

[tooldtocare]

It's pointless. .,.,. If we do pay for the wall. The government also has to buy the land. .,.,..

I am sure trump’s minions are buying up the land as we speak and will sell it back to our government at five times the purchase price; It’s called the trumpidump on you plain.

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[tooldtocare]

That poem was for the dedication of the pedestal, not the statue. And the poem is incomplete, AND it was meant for European immigrants only.

The statue was a gift from France commemorating the end of the civil war. Maybe you don't remember but this marked the end of slavery in America.
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[LoAmmi]

I would counter with a quote from his book, "The Art of the Deal", where he reveals the technique of presenting a completely outrageous proposal as a starting point for negotiations. The wall as proposed is an example of this imo.

On the other hand a wall as proposed will attract a lot of investment, provide lots of jobs, etc. I'm guessing he's waiting to see which plan will fly. A permanent wall would be a legacy for him, as would a good fence, if either were successful.

I'll accept your explanation that he lied to his supporters over and over again, telling them that it would be concrete and that Mexico would pay for it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'll accept your explanation that he lied to his supporters over and over again, telling them that it would be concrete and that Mexico would pay for it.

It was always hyperbole. Mexico will 'pay' for it indirectly.

Trump uses the same 'promises' that all politicians do, promising things they have no ability, or intention, of ever doing once elected. Where Trump is different is that he appears to be fulfilling his campaign promises.

 

[LoAmmi]

It was always hyperbole. Mexico will 'pay' for it indirectly.

Do you think his supporters thought it was hyperbole?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you think his supporters thought it was hyperbole?

I did, and I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree. If you take him at his word (according to his book) everything is a negotiating ploy.

 

[LoAmmi]

I did, and I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree.

That's not what I was told in the run up to the election. People defended the billions of dollars needed to build it and told me that it was necessary for it to be concrete and rebar just like their hero said.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's not what I was told in the run up to the election. People defended the billions of dollars needed to build it and told me that it was necessary for it to be concrete and rebar just like their hero said.

I heard that as well and considered them 'throwaway' lines. Recall that he also remarked several times that, "Oops, it just got ten feet taller". That should have given a clue.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

It was always hyperbole. Mexico will 'pay' for it indirectly.

No, The United States will be paying for it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, The United States will be paying for it.

What I meant was that Mexico will 'pay dearly' 'for' the wall. And the money we spend building it will be a really good investment (sorta like spending a few dollars on weather stripping to keep those pesky drafts out).

 

[seeking.IAM]

More waste of my tax dollars.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

What I meant was that Mexico will 'pay dearly' 'for' the wall. And the money we spend building it will be a really good investment (sorta like spending a few dollars on weather stripping to keep those pesky drafts out).

I thought putting more business along the border might help both countries. But we might just fight each other for profit.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I thought putting more business along the border might help both countries. But we might just fight each other for profit.

Trump has said that he wants American workers to get jobs (don't know if that applies to the wall).

 

[Gene2memE]

Talked me into it.
5 dollar crossing fee.

So, you've cut the duration of paying for the physical border wall from 140 years to ~28 years - again, excluding ongoing and unforseen costs.

Mexico offers me nothing good.

Corn? Fresh fruit? Vegetables? Electrical goods? Cars and trucks? Computers? Tequila? Industrial equipment? Oil and petroleum products? Plastics?

Sure - nothing good there...

 

[Mountainmanbob]

So, you've cut the duration of paying for the physical border wall from 140 years to ~28 years

That works and guess what? That would be just one way in which to have Mexico pay for the wall.
M-Bob