Border Patrol agent appeared to be ambushed by illegal immigrants, bashed with rocks before death

[redleghunter]

Also Border Patrol agent not killed by rocks in ambush

FBI officials from 37 field offices interviewed more than 650 people, and found no evidence of a “scuffle, altercation or attack,” the AP reported.

I guess it could be that everyone is biased.

Thanks for that. Were the 650 people at the scene?

 

[redleghunter]

This is a story from 2017 which has never been proven. Are there any new facts which point to illegal immigrants?

Illegal immigrants in what way? Yes the title is leading but border agents do confront MS13 and cartel thugs often.

 

[Yarddog]

Of course Snopes explored alternate outcomes.

Ok, there was a number of points in that post.

 

[Yarddog]

Illegal immigrants in what way?

You posted the story didn't you read it before posting? If so, there's no point to this question.

Yes the title is leading but border agents do confront MS13 and cartel thugs often.

And? Most of the immigrants they confront have nothing to do with MS13 or cartel thugs. It mainly showed prejudice on their part.

 

[redleghunter]

And? Most of the immigrants they confront have nothing to do with MS13 or cartel thugs. It mainly showed prejudice on their part.

No MS 13 and the cartels just provide the path into our country.

But there are confrontations.

Cartel Member Wanted for Border Patrol Agent’s Murder Lands in Texas | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

 

[Yarddog]

No MS 13 and the cartels just provide the path into our country.

For some but it's not hard to tell how to go north. We're up there.

But there are confrontations.

Yes, but that doesn't translate into illegal immigrants killed the agent unless extreme prejudice exists.

 

[DanishLutheran]

I hope you realize you're throwing pearls before swine, OP.
No matter how much you point it out, some people are simply too preoccupied with gaining advantage for their agenda and their chosen political party, to care about such things as illegal immigrants committing murder.

 

[Pedra]

This is a story from 2017 which has never been proven. Are there any new facts which point to illegal immigrants?

Blunt force trauma to the head while on the job protecting the border. He didn't die of natural causes. what types of persons do these border guards see? illegal immigrants , smugglers and drug cartel. Probably not caused by right wingers trying to break into Texas. Why are people so adverse to the reasonable speculation that it was illegal immigrants in either of the 3 categories? It probably wasn't likely a squirmish with a bus load of senior citizen sight seers or a group of circus performers or a troop boy scouts.

 

[Yarddog]

Blunt force trauma to the head while on the job protecting the border. He didn't die of natural causes. what types of persons do these border guards see? illegal immigrants , smugglers and drug cartel. Probably not caused by right wingers trying to break into Texas. Why are people so adverse to the reasonable speculation that it was illegal immigrants in either of the 3 categories? It probably wasn't likely a squirmish with a bus load of senior citizen sight seers or a group of circus performers or a troop boy scouts.

No, by all evidence it wasn't illegal immigrants. They most likely fell into a culvert and landed on rocks, killing one agent and injuring the other. Good people would not jump to conclusions.

 

[Cimorene]

This is more than 2 yrs old and is, in the words of Donald Trump "fake news."

Border Patrol agent died in fall, according to memo contradicting Trump’s claim of attack

The original poster has been confronted about this but the OP title remain misleading and there's been no update provided in the post itself. Claiming that it's still honest due to the use of the words "appeared" and "alleged" is so dishonest. It might be obeying the ninth commandment of not bearing false witness against a neighbour in the semantic sense but is blatantly violating the spirit of the commandment.

 

[tulc]

(snip) No matter how much you point it out, some people are simply too preoccupied with gaining advantage for their agenda and their chosen political party, (snip)

The irony is this section alone? Is quite breathtaking.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

 

[Yarddog]

I hope you realize you're throwing pearls before swine, OP.

Hmmm, looks like you don't comprehend what that phrase means.

No matter how much you point it out, some people are simply too preoccupied with gaining advantage for their agenda and their chosen political party, to care about such things as illegal immigrants committing murder.

The agenda being pushed is a right wing one devoid of facts. Of course conservatives gave up fact checking a few elections back when their own fact checkers kept proving them wrong. LOL

 

[FreeinChrist]

This is more than 2 yrs old and is, in the words of Donald Trump "fake news."

Border Patrol agent died in fall, according to memo contradicting Trump’s claim of attack

The original poster has been confronted about this but the OP title remain misleading and there's been no update provided in the post itself. Claiming that it's still honest due to the use of the words "appeared" and "alleged" is so dishonest. It might be obeying the ninth commandment of not bearing false witness against a neighbour in the semantic sense but is blatantly violating the spirit of the commandment.

The article you provided has this:

Initially, the cause of the agents’ injuries was unclear, but Border Patrol union officials quickly claimed that they were victims of a savage attack. Trump said on Twitter soon after that Martinez had been “killed” and his assailants would be brought “to justice.”

More than two months into its investigation, the FBI said Wednesday that it found no signs the agents were assaulted. Kevin McAleenan, the acting commissioner of the Border Patrol, told his staff this week that the men fell into a nine-foot-deep culvert on a pitch-black night.

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So it was never illegal aliens, and the Trump's tweet on the topic was wrong as where the Border Patrol union officials. Why am I not surprised.

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[Cimorene]

The article you provided has this:

Initially, the cause of the agents’ injuries was unclear, but Border Patrol union officials quickly claimed that they were victims of a savage attack. Trump said on Twitter soon after that Martinez had been “killed” and his assailants would be brought “to justice.”

More than two months into its investigation, the FBI said Wednesday that it found no signs the agents were assaulted. Kevin McAleenan, the acting commissioner of the Border Patrol, told his staff this week that the men fell into a nine-foot-deep culvert on a pitch-black night.

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So it was never illegal aliens, and the Trump's tweet on the topic was wrong as where the Border Patrol union officials. Why am I not surprised.

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It's not at all surprising. Tbh it's still dismaying that a Trump supporter would post an article that is more than 2 yrs old & was proven to be false over a yr ago in the Current News section. It's discouraging. I think ppl should make more of an effort to verify that what they post is current & is an honest, accurate depiction of events. Idk why the OP article would suddenly be plucked out to put here unless it's currently being circulated on Fb or some right wing site the OP favours or something. Despite it being seriously outdated & wrong. I highly suspect that it is. I wouldn't be surprised if a Russian troll farm decided to propagate this misinformation to whip up more frenzy in Trump's tribe. They know that the tribe will jump on it & run with it, not bothering to check the date or the details, not bothering to look anything up for themselves.

 

[St. Helens]

MOD HAT ON

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Border Patrol agent appeared to be ambushed by illegal immigrants, bashed with rocks before death

Illegal immigrants appeared to have “ambushed” two U.S. Border Patrol agents near the Texas border with Mexico and bashed their heads with blunt objects -- possibly rocks -- killing one agent and sending another to a hospital in serious condition Sunday, a National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) official told Fox News.

Rogelio Martinez, 36, was killed and another agent, who has not been identified, was injured while they were patrolling the Big Bend Sector, leading authorities to scour West Texas for the attackers, officials said. Although few details about the incident have been released, Brandon Judd, the president of the NBPC, told Fox News on Monday it appeared Martinez and the second agent were “ambushed” by a group of illegal immigrants.


“We don’t know exactly what happened because we weren’t there. However, just from agents that were working in the area, reports are saying it was an attack and it would appear to be an ambush,” Judd said.

He added: “There’s a high likelihood this was an assault on the agents.”

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has offered a reward of up to $20,000 "for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible" for the attack.

Martinez and his partner suffered traumatic injuries to the head and other injuries such as broken bones, FBI El paso said in a news release. Judd earlier told Fox News Martinez died of blunt force trauma to the head, indicating the attackers most likely used a rock or rocks during the assault on the two agents. The area surrounding where the attack occurred also indicated rocks were likely used as weapons. An FBI official also said that, counter to initial reports, neither agent was shot.


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Border Patrol agent appeared to be ambushed by illegal immigrants, bashed with rocks before death

Wait -- I thought the democrats are saying that there are no major problems at the border and that it is all made up by Trump and for Trump?

M-Bob

 

[tulc]

Wait -- I thought the democrats are saying that there are no major problems at the border and that it is all made up by Trump and for Trump?

M-Bob

...and Republicans keep putting out debunked stories to try and create "a crisis". Nothing new here.
tulc(would point out not everyone has such short memories as some of President Trumps supporters appear to have)

 

[Cimorene]

Wait -- I thought the democrats are saying that there are no major problems at the border and that it is all made up by Trump and for Trump?

M-Bob

The OP is, in the words of Trump, "fake news." Actual fake news, not just news that Trump has falsely claimed to be fake bc it's not flattering to him. The OP failed to do due diligence when he made this thread, presumably bc he was focused on rallying up his tribe and pushing this ugly narrative even though it's bearing false witness. He posted a story that is more than 2 yrs old in the Current News section. That story was totally debunked more than a yr ago. See the posts above showing how the claim in the thread title is a lie.

The OP was made aware of how dishonest the OP is. He has not bothered to correct it, even though he's obviously logged back into CF bc he's posted more threads.

 

[Yarddog]

Wait -- I thought the democrats are saying that there are no major problems at the border and that it is all made up by Trump and for Trump?

M-Bob

The goats haven't been keeping up with the thread, huh?