Truth is Truth. We worship God. We pray to God, but in the name of the Son. Scripture is open to what God decides to reveal to us at this time.
God Bless,
Emerald Dragon
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No, you believe in a Mormonized version of what you call Christ. That is different. For example, my Lord doesn't have a spirit brother called Satan.emerald Dragon said:Oh give me a break!! W e believe in the Christ of the New Testament -that makes us Christian. The Christ that we follow is the sme Christ of the NT. I follow Him, and only Him. I do not follow Satan, in any form. I worship God the Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ, with the Eternal Witness of the Holy Ghost. We just disagree with the interpreations that man, though time, has come up with in regards to certain scriptures in the bible. Where you see a scripture say that God, Christ and the Ghost are one in being, we see that it says that they are One in Purpose and Authority. No where does it say in the bible that God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost are physically the same person.
That in and of itself proves that we are talking about entirely different persons when we refer to the Lord Jesus. So, either the ENTIRE confessing church fell into apostasy like you Mormons believe, or you guys are just following around false prophets. We can't both be Christians, of Christ. One of us is being fooled into nothing more than the devil's empty assurance that Jesus is the way the truth and the life without having ever met this Person. After all, our interpretation of this person from Scripture is completely different so one of us has clearly not actually met Him. You see, it is hard to describe someone whom you have never met. You may know some things about him, but you don't actually know him.emerald Dragon said:The differences betwen the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that we interpret certain key scriptures in the bible differently than everyone else. This is also how many differences between other churches arise.
Your Jesus and your god, not mine, as I have just plainly demonstrated. The simple truth of the matter is that you deny such absurdly clear verses like this one with your teaching. Else, how can there have been praise in the Church of Jesus Christ in every generation if this falling away of what you Mormons would have us believe happened:emerald Dragon said:We, the entire body of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, honor, rever, and treasure in Jesus Christ, as mentioned in the New Testament. We worship only One God, the Eternal Heavenly Father.
God Bless,
Emerald Dragon
Helaman said:Christ is Christ is Christ. There is only one. The fact that we have some disagreements regarding nonessential facts about Him is irrelevant. He is the Savior. That is the essential element, and we agree thereon. These other things are just set up to distract and confuse, not to mention belittle.
Whoa.Helaman said:Christ is Christ is Christ. There is only one. The fact that we have some disagreements regarding nonessential facts about Him is irrelevant. He is the Savior. That is the essential element, and we agree thereon. These other things are just set up to distract and confuse, not to mention belittle.
Is that Mormonspeak for it really doesn't matter if you turn the truth of God into a lie?emerald Dragon said:What I am trying to say is that if we both look at the same random scripture, the possibility exists that we will view its significance and true meaning differently. We may say that one verse is saying this, while another says that the same verse says that. The general meaning of the bible will remain the same, but on many of the specific details, we deviate. I honor and love the Christ of the New Testament, and have come to know Him. Not just about Him, but I KNOW Him. I would have it no other way.
God Bless,
Emerald Dragon
The fact that my Lord is not Satan's brother, but his creator is not "nonessential." It is absolute proof that we worship different lords. I'm sorry if you believe that the truth is setup to "distract" and "confuse" you from your intended course. Perhaps you best listen and not dismiss me as "belittling" you. I might just be the last messenger of God sent to you before you are sealed into your fate.Helaman said:Christ is Christ is Christ. There is only one. The fact that we have some disagreements regarding nonessential facts about Him is irrelevant. He is the Savior. That is the essential element, and we agree thereon. These other things are just set up to distract and confuse, not to mention belittle.
Perhaps you can untwist this logic for me:Helaman said:Lucifer, who used to be call the Son of the Morning,....
Nothing is created according to your doctrine ..so this means nothing .emerald Dragon said:Christ isn't created.
And the fact that Christ and Lucifer are spirit brothers is logical sense.
Who created Lucifer? God.
Who is God's only begotten son? Christ. The two are not related by blood, but in a spiritual manner, as both come from God.
As we also come from God, we are spirit brothers and sisters to both Christ and Lucifer, as we are spirit children of God. I think this is logical sense, supported by the bible.
An adoptive parent will usually call the adpotee their child. They are then "siblings" to the physicall children of the parent, yes? They are not realted, but their parent is the same, and that makes them siblings. This is our point.
God Bless,
Emerald Dragon
CCWoody said:Perhaps you can untwist this logic for me:
Satan was called the Day star, the Son of the Morning.
Jesus is called the Morning Star.
Whom is whom's son and whom is whom's brother?
BTW, why do you insist upon calling Satan by his honored name of Lucifer? Are you afraid to upset him?
emerald Dragon said:For the last time, God did not have sexual relations with Mary. Through the power of the Holy Ghost did Mary concieve Christ.
That is our belief. Christ was the only one who is a literal, physical son of God, the rest are His spirit children, as such essentially created.
Lucifer was the first of this buch, and then the rest of humanity came along.
What I am saying is that God is rersponible for the creation, or birth, or being of everyone, and as such, He is their Father. He is therefore Lucifer's Father. If we all share the same father, we are all brothers and sisters.
And neither did jesus .. you are making a distinction without a differenceIn the pre-existence, no spirit child, Lucifer included had a physical body. We only hd our spirtul bodies.
rnmomof7 said:The holy spirit is not the same as heavenly father,they are two different beings. How could he inseminate Mary for the father ?
The only thing that "makes sense " looking at Mormons doctrine is the father has intercourse with her.After all he has a body with all the equipment necessary. Where the spirit has no body of flesh and bone.
Spirit children have a pre existence as intelligences . They were not created by the heavenly father It is rather like the heavenly father "organizing "matter to make the earth.
The word create means to make out of nothing. jesus was made by the joining of sperm and existent egg. The heavenly father did not create him either.
Lucifer was never given a human body ...so we did not all come along after him . At the time of the rebellion all the spirit children were present long before christ was conceived as a man . He was still a spirit child at the time of the war in heaven .
There is no distinction made between the spirit children. Christ and lucifer and all of us had exactly the same pre existence.
Again your church does not believe he created anything. According to your doctrine satan is as much a son of the heavenly father as was jesus . And in the same way he is the father of all spirit children , embodied or not.
Helaman said:Moreover, God created Jesus Christ first. Who was second? We know not. But we do know that God the Father created all of us as spirits-brothers and sister, and we existed in harmony for at least some period of time. Then Lucifer became power-hungry and rebelled against the Father. The War in Heaven ensued, and God cast Satan out of Heaven. Is there a problem with this? Catholics, from what I understand, believe the same.
Wrigley said:Thanks for the admission that the mormon jesus is not eternal, but a created being.
I'll have to refer back to this post when I'm told not to worry about the "non essential" differences between the Christian God and the mormon god.
I pray that God opens your eyes so that you may see that it is an essential difference. And that differance shows the mormons are in error. And that their faith is in the wrong Jesus.Helaman said:That's fine. But it's still nonessential. What is essential is that Jesus had the power to save us, and He did. That is all that is essential.
Helaman said:In my opinion, God the Father used the Holy Ghost to carry out the procedure of artificial insemination. And as to create v. organize, you're delving deeply into semantics. Think about it. Further, we believe that God created the entire Universe, and then organized matter in it to create worlds, etc.
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