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Book of Giants

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Mel333, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. Mel333

    Mel333 Active Member

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    Found among the dead sea scrolls, I am intrigued as to what this is...

    Two questions:
    - Has anyone read it? (If so, what are your thoughts?)
    - Is it a metaphor of the time before the flood?

    Thanks in advance for any insight.
     
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  2. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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  3. Shempster

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    It is highly fragmented and there are missing sections. And yes, I have read it.
    It is like any other ancient writing. We don't know exactly who wrote it and if it was meant to be true or fiction. It might have even been a children's story for all we know.
    But it certainly is fascinating. The OT speaks of giants. Some very old newspapers tell stories of giant human skeletons. Indian folklore contains stories about giants living in the Ohio valley area and elsewhere. But really without physical evidence today, it should probably be considered mythology.
     
  4. tturt

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    Haven't read the book. But in Scripture names had a meaning. So the giants in the promised land (OT) were the same ones we face today such as pride, rebellion, lust, fear, etc

    We're to possess the land.
     
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  5. rainingviolets

    rainingviolets New Member

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    How deep of a discussion did you want to get into? This is a subject I have studied extensively. Anyone who has listened, watched, and read L. A. Marzulli's nephilim triliogy or read Ryan Pitterson's book Judgment of the Nephilim know it's a fascinating topic. Robert Purdin wrote in 1855 in The Last Vials: Being a Series of Essays On the Second Comimg, "The unnatural combination of two distinct species, of the angelic and the human; disturbed the whole order of things and broke down the barriers between heaven and earth. The Giants, half brothers to the angels, laid claim to half the privileges of heaven and would have brought heaven and earth into a (connection) both unholy and premature."

    "Rephaim" is the word used in the Bible to describe the Giants of the antediluvian world. I could get into a deep discussion of where this word came from, but I won't. They were the dominant power carrying on devastating wars. Isaiah referrred to them as "the chief ones on earth." There were specific people that God commanded the Israelites to completely destroy when they entered the Promised Land. The Israelites disobeyed. Some of these groups were thought to have come from the giants.
     
  6. ViaCrucis

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    We aren't entirely sure who the Qumran group was, though one of the leading theories is that these are the Essene sect mentioned by Josephus in his writings. Josephus mentions several Jewish sects that existed in the first century, the Pharisees, the Sadducee, the Zealots, and the Essenes. The Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria also mentions yet another group, the Therapeutae.

    The group at Qumran may have been Essene, but we aren't entirely sure.

    What we do know is that the Qumran sect rejected mainstream Judaism (both of the Pharisees and Sadducees) believing that it had become corrupted at sometime by a figure known as the "Wicked Priest", some hypothesize that this "Wicked Priest" may have been Jonathan Maccabeus, who helped establish the rebellion against the Seleucid Empire and founded the Hasmonean Dynasty. Jonathan also took on the role as the High Priest of Israel. This was a highly controversial thing to do, at no point in Jewish history had the same person fill the role as both the king and the high priest. So the hypothesis goes, some Jews retreated away into the desert, rejecting what they saw as a corruption of Judaism under the Hasmoneans. Their leader being "The Teacher of Righteousness" found in DSS.

    The Dead Sea Scrolls were copied or written by the Qumran community, as such it includes a number of books, both biblical and not; and also includes unique writings by the Qumran community. The Book of Giants is an example of one of those works produced by the Qumran community, and is related to the Enoch tradition (they also preserved the Book of Enoch, a 2nd Temple Period work written probably sometime around 300-200 BC). Since it is a product of the Qumran community there's simply no reason to take it as authoritative or as anything other than as an interesting work by a rather obscure 1st century Jewish sect.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  7. Mel333

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    Thanks so much CryptoLutheran. That's really helpful to know.
     
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