Bode's Rule

[lucaspa]

http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/bodes_law.htm

http://www.theeel.com/~bruce/histastro/Bode.html

It appears that the Law fails for 2 of the 9 planets: Mercury and Neptune.

So, David, how do you account for the failures?

http://aci.mta.ca/TheUmbrella/Physics/P3401/Investigations/BodesLawAGL.html

If we take Sedna as the 10th planet, its distance of 8 billion miles from the sun also does not fit Bode's Law.

 

[David Waffen]

Mercury falls in, Neptune falls in and still provides a 95% chance that the deviations are due to chance alone.

Neptune is the last planet. There are 4 terrestrial and 4 jovian with an asteriod belt between the two and another belt outside the jovian planets.

 

[Jet Black]

so what dave?

 

[David Waffen]

Just as English was the language spoken on the moon, it didn't happen by chance.

 

[Jet Black]

your implication being?

 

[Tomk80]

Mercury falls in, Neptune falls in and still provides a 95% chance that the deviations are due to chance alone.

Lucaspa, I'd have to go with David here that Mercury falls in. According to 2 of your articles, which make the same claim, Bode's law is:
A=(n+4)/10
A is the distance from the sun in Astronomical units
n is 0, 3, 6, 12, 24 and so on, based on the order of the planets as seen from the sun.

http://www.theeel.com/~bruce/histastro/Bode.html rewrites this formula to:
0.4+0.3*2[sup]n[/sup]. This transformation does not work for Mercury however, whereas the original claim does, since this is taken as the 0 value in the orginal formula, whereas it can't be 0 in the formula given here.

However, Neptune AND Pluto both fall out of the equation. Why is still unknown. David, I haven't found any material on chance calculations. Since you have obviously done these, could you please provide me with your calculations and the assumptions you made to do these? What do you base your distribution on, for example.

Neptune is the last planet. There are 4 terrestrial and 4 jovian with an asteriod belt between the two and another belt outside the jovian planets.

That second asteroid belt should be in the neighborhood of Pluto then. However, none of the sources I have seen so far claim there to be one in that vincinity, or on the distance provided by Bode's rule. But maybe there is. Could you provide sources?

Just as English was the language spoken on the moon, it didn't happen by chance.

And that might be correct, but proves nothing except exactly that. And as of yet we still have Neptune and Pluto.

 

[David Waffen]

Pluto is NOT a planet!

 

[Tomk80]

Pluto is NOT a planet!

Point taken, explain Neptune in more detail (statistics?). And what about the asteroid belt past Neptune? I asked you for references. Since you obviously know more about this than I do, you could at least help me get educated.

 

[Mistermystery]

Pluto is NOT a planet!

Neither is the astroid belt.

 

[Phred]

Mercury 0, (0 + 4)/10 = .4AU vs 0.39AU (Actual)

Venus 3, (3 + 4)/10 = .7AU vs 0.729AU (Actual)

Earth 6, (3 + 4)/10 = 1AU vs 1.0AU (Actual)

Mars 12, (3 + 4)/10 = 1.6AU vs 1.52U (Actual)

Asteriod Belt 24, (24 + 4)/10 = 2.8AU vs ~2.5AU (Actual)

Jupiter 48, (48 + 4)/10 = 5.2AU vs 5.2AU (Actual)

Saturn 96, (96 + 4)/10 = 10.0AU vs 9.54AU (Actual)

Uranus 192, (192 + 4)/10 = 19.6AU vs 19.2AU (Actual)

Neptune 384, (384 + 4)/10 = 38.8AU vs 30.1AU (Actual)

Comments?

Yeah... so what? You say Pluto is not a planet, but you include the asteroid belt... which is also not a planet. You claim the planets cannot be here by chance, yet you claim the devations are chance.

If, as you're attempting to show, your God somehow put the planets there... he's a pretty imperfect perfect space architect. Only two planets are exactly where they should be... one of those is because of the use of the AU which is the distance from earth to the sun. You do realize that Neptune is 809,000,000 miles away from where it should be.

Looks to me like you're trying to put a square peg into a round hole by shaving off pluto.