Blm Co-founder admitted the movement is based on witchcraft

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Well look at what you wrote here:



I agree with this statement..... Most people just read the name and agree, or disagree, with the idea that Black lives matter, and dont go any deeper than that.

Now knowing this......if I now try to get people to not support it.....I do it knowing that the only thing that they support is the idea that black lives matter....and therefore, this is the only thing I would be trying to get them to not support.

Why would one do this?
Why not focus on doing the right thing? After all, BLM did not invent the police and law enforcement misconduct. If the issues get addressed, the fuel runs out.
 
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Why not focus on doing the right thing? After all, BLM did not invent the police and law enforcement misconduct. If the issues get addressed, the fuel runs out.

But shouldn’t we wait until after our BLM and ANTIFA problem is resolved by our glorious forces in blue and the country is united under one President, one Flag, one Color, and one God before we address the complicated task of making the police less trigger happy?
 
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I don't know Arc F1, but I didn't read that in his post at all. There is a huge difference between believing that African Americans' lives MATTER and follow the organized group that practices these things.

I believe ALL black lives matter, including the black lady interviewed for this article.

I do NOT support a movement that practices these unholy things.

It's like this Raymond. Remember Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church? He preached that God hated "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" and his family protested at the funerals of military personnel holding up signs saying "We glad he's dead" and other vile things. Remember that?

I'm not the final judge, but Fred Phelps never ONCE showed a sign of being saved or being disciple of Christ. Never! He has passed away and I'm 99% certain that he is in hell. Maybe, just maybe he had a severe mental illness and couldn't help it - but I doubt that. I think he believed every word he spoke. In my OPINION - he burst hell wide open and his family will follow him there unless they repent of the hatred they spew.

He claimed to be a Baptist preacher. I discounted him, his family, and their teachings as ANTI-God and ANTI-Christ. I did not discount Christianity and I attend a Baptist church that has nothing to do with Rev. Phelps and his false teachings.

If the woman in the video is telling the truth, I discount her BLM group just as I discounted Fred Phelps and his organization.

I do NOT discount the fact that ALL African American lives matter and matter the same as all other ethnicities' lives.

There is a distinction there and a huge one.

Let think about it for a minute. If there is a "save the whales" movement....and you are ok with whales....would you look into the founders of the movement, find dirt on them, and then try to convince others not the save the whales because of the founders beliefs.....while saying that you still believe the whales should be saved? maybe.....maybe not.

What about a "saved the rats" movement? Let say I dont like rats....and would not mind if they were wiped off the face of the earth. I may do what I could to discredit the whole idea of saving rats. I would even go dig up something on the founder to try to compromise the whole movement.....because I do not like rats and do not see the point in saving them....

The OPer states that he knows that most people only link the blm movement to the idea that black lives matter, and nothing more.....they dont think deeper than that..... And he is trying to shed a negative light on the movement knowing that most people dont even support or know about the founders. What would be the purpose of this?

Why cant I just support saving the whales without someone bringing up negative aspects of the founder, to try and change how i think about saving the whales?
 
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We should be consistent. If the failings of a leader should encourage others to not support the whole organization no matter how good its work or intentions.....Where does that leave the church organizations?

should we shun every church organization after finding out that a single leader did or believe something we deem wrong? Or does this only go for organizations that support the protection of the lives of a group of humans born with a darker visible organ.

The National Socialist German Workers' Party night have a nice sounding name to some (Personally I don't support Socialism; but if someone wants to join a commune, to each his own. I'm all for working though.) ; and it might well have had some members who were strong in their faith in Yahshua. I don't think that there were any "humans born with a darker visible organ" in that organization. I reject their organization too. Do you support this group, or reject their cause, based on their beliefs; or do you support or reject, based on the fact that they were fair skinned, blond haired, and blue eyed?
 
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This is coming from them. If we can't believe what the founders say then who do we believe?

Some people just refuse to see the truth because they can’t humble themselves to admit having made a mistake.
 
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Let think about it for a minute. If there is a "save the whales" movement....and you are ok with whales....would you look into the founders of the movement, find dirt on them, and then try to convince others not the save the whales because of the founders beliefs.....while saying that you still believe the whales should be saved? maybe.....maybe not.

What about a "saved the rats" movement? Let say I dont like rats....and would not mind if they were wiped off the face of the earth. I may do what I could to discredit the whole idea of saving rats. I would even go dig up something on the founder to try to compromise the whole movement.....because I do not like rats and do not see the point in saving them....

The OPer states that he knows that most people only link the blm movement to the idea that black lives matter, and nothing more.....they dont think deeper than that..... And he is trying to shed a negative light on the movement knowing that most people dont even support or know about the founders. What would be the purpose of this?

Why cant I just support saving the whales without someone bringing up negative aspects of the founder, to try and change how i think about saving the whales?

Would you still want to support save the whales if they promoted violence and intolerance towards dolphins?
 
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Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors has admitted the movement is not just about “racial and social justice” but “at its core, it’s a spiritual movement” that involves “invoking spirits” with mantras and gifts until “those spirits actually become present with you.”

BLM Co-Founder Who Admitted She’s a ‘Trained Marxist’ Now Confesses to Practicing Witchcraft
Each person is responsible for their own convictions. She is secular, I am a Christian, yet we have one thing in common, bring to light police brutality and finding solutions. Be blessed.
 
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The National Socialist German Workers' Party night have a nice sounding name to some (Personally I don't support Socialism; but if someone wants to join a commune, to each his own. I'm all for working though.) ; and it might well have had some members who were strong in their faith in Yahshua. I don't think that there were any "humans born with a darker visible organ" in that organization. I reject their organization too. Do you support this group, or reject their cause, based on their beliefs; or do you support or reject, based on the fact that they were fair skinned, blond haired, and blue eyed?
I cannot support or reject a name or a group...for they are just letters on a paper and can do no good or bad....

I can support or reject people, their actions and the idea that the group promote.

I, personally choose not to judge anyone.....I believe we all have free will to love or hate anyone we choose for whatever reason we choose. And, Although I would advise against the hate, I do not judge the one who does.

I am simply trying to promote transparency.

You have something against the movement you mentioned(which I know nothing about), therefore you researched deeper into and found more negatives about them that you can share with others which can help them be against it as well... And this is expected because you do not like the idea behind the movement.

Likewise, if I did not like the idea of saving whales....I could look deeper into the save the whales foundation and find dirt on the founder, how the group is run, the majority "organ color"(yes is it meant to sound ridiculous) etc.... and share it with others to get others to feel the same way I do about the idea of saving whales.

And likewise the idea behind black lives matter......
 
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Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors has admitted the movement is not just about “racial and social justice” but “at its core, it’s a spiritual movement” that involves “invoking spirits” with mantras and gifts until “those spirits actually become present with you.”

Apparently, Cullors follows (more or less) a religion called Ifa:
Ifá - Wikipedia

It's no more witchcraft than... well, okay, as far as Christianity is concerned, it might as well be witchcraft. Whatever. If it's going to be a big part of BLM, thanks to its founders, than I'm not going to be taking the organization seriously any more. I'll continue to be concerned about how blacks are treated in the U.S., though.
 
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Nobody says black lives don't matter. We are talking about the group and their beliefs. You should look farther than just the name.
The problem here is that your misunderstanding what BLM is. You’re treating it like an organization where membership requires you to subscribe to all the ideas of the founder. It’s not. The founders might have gotten the ball rolling, but they don’t organize every protest, they don’t issue orders, they don’t exercise control over the movement. The people who show up for these protests probably don’t know who she is, and they don’t need to. She’s not the reason they’re there. BLM is more of a movement than an organization.

So it doesn’t matter all that much what kooky beliefs the co founder may or may not have. It wouldn’t even matter if she was a flat earther. The people who attend these protests don’t subscribe to those beliefs, they aren’t witches , they aren’t summoning evil spirits. To act like they are, to pretend that BLM is composed of cultists and Satan-worshippers, is fear mongering, plain and simple.
 
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Would you still want to support save the whales if they promoted violence and intolerance towards dolphins?
Yes, I would support the whale and shun the intolerance towards dolphin. I would not turn my back on Whale simply because some who support whales do wrong against other animals.

Would you still support the church and it's message and purpose, if you found out that some in the church promoted the hiding of abuse against children?
 
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You have something against the movement you mentioned(which I know nothing about)

Nazi Party - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (abbreviated in German as NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party, was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of National Socialism.


You might want to look into it before you support them, not just because they're fair skinned, blond haired, and blue eyed. I don't hold that against them. That would be racist; and racism is evil.
 
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Would we see as many threads encouraging us not to support the cancer research foundation if we found out that their leaders were into witchcraft?

I think we would never even know this, because we would not even dig into the leadership since we are ok with the idea behind the foundation: "curing cancer"

what about the idea behind Black lives matter?
 
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Nazi Party - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (abbreviated in German as NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party, was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of National Socialism.


You might want to look into it before you support them, not just because they're fair skinned, blond haired, and blue eyed. I don't hold that against them. That would be racist; and racism is evil.
Thanks for the information.
 
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Would we see as many threads encouraging us not to support the cancer research foundation if we found out that their leaders were into witchcraft?

If the leaders of the cancer research foundation were promoting witchcraft to their patients, then I think we would see more threads about it.

If it's simply a matter of one of the founders following an offbeat religion, then it's nothing to be concerned about. However, if the leaders are promoting the religion to their members nationwide, as Cullors implies, then it's something to be concerned about. I tend to think that Cullors should not be taken seriously about this, though, unless supporting evidence comes along.
 
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Yes, I would support the whale and shun the intolerance towards dolphin. I would not turn my back on Whale simple because some who support whales do wrong against other animals.

Would you still support the church and it's message and purpose, if you found out that some in the church promoted the hiding of abuse against children?

I don’t see anyone here who is against supporting BLM being also against supporting people of color. As for the church, I’m inclined to think that we are referring to the Roman Catholic Church, I don’t support the church for many doctrinal issues but the issues pertaining to sexual abuse in the church is derived from individuals within the church not the leader of the church Himself. This is a very different situation since we’re comparing the morality of a human leader of an organization, to the morality of God, the leader of the church. Obviously God does not condone sexual immorality so this situation does not correctly correlate to the situation of the leader of BLM advocating violence, intolerance, terrorism, Marxism, and now apparently witchcraft. So it’s a bad comparison.
 
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