Blinding Light Expirience

[Cribstyl]

God only knows, but at 19yrs old, (now 47) I was at the crossroad of my life and I walked into a church and something happend. I needed sun glasses, The joy that filled my soul was so overwhelming.....The evidence is the changes in my life and How sweet His word became to me. I had grew up in church and was sincere in my worship as a child, but after that special day in 1978, I knew for sure that Jesus had forgiven me and was teaching me His word. I knew He was active in my life.
Imagine yourself passing out tracts to a people of another language and trying to lead them to Jesus...It worked!!! God is so amazing.

To my shame, I have not always listen to His voice and I have many regrets, but the sweetness of His word is still good to me.

The bible is supernatural...Whenever God speaks, you can look to the future and past and know that His word is true and complete.

I've been fortunate to have visited many churches, and I want you all to know that the reason the bible is written, is for God to prove himself as your God, by perfoming everything He has said in His word.
Yes, you have a songbook, and you should know all the words.

Praying for God to show up in your life is essential. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real touch from God. He can open up your eyes to His word. That is the primary work of the Holy Spirit.
He is more real than the majority knows. Seek Him and you will find Him.

A major revelation happened on that day in 78, this scripture below gave me instant wisdom.

Mat 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

3 meals a day may seem sufficient to survive, but many people are starving spiritually. We should not live without eating daily from the word of God.
The bottom line is also, we will be held accountable to God about His word.

Get at me
CRIB

 

[Adventtruth]

God only knows, but at 19yrs old, (now 47) I was at the crossroad of my life and I walked into a church and something happend. I needed sun glasses, The joy that filled my soul was so overwhelming.....The evidence is the changes in my life and How sweet His word became to me. I had grew up in church and was sincere in my worship as a child, but after that special day in 1978, I knew for sure that Jesus had forgiven me and was teaching me His word. I knew He was active in my life.
Imagine yourself passing out tracts to a people of another language and trying to lead them to Jesus...It worked!!! God is so amazing.

To my shame, I have not always listen to His voice and I have many regrets, but the sweetness of His word is still good to me.

The bible is supernatural...Whenever God speaks, you can look to the future and past and know that His word is true and complete.

I've been fortunate to have visited many churches, and I want you all to know that the reason the bible is written, is for God to prove himself as your God, by perfoming everything He has said in His word.
Yes, you have a songbook, and you should know all the words.

Praying for God to show up in your life is essential. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real touch from God. He can open up you eyes to His word. That is the primary work of the Holy Spirit
He is more real than the majority knows. Seek Him and you will find Him.

A major revelation happened on that day in 78, this scripture gave me instant wisdom.

Mat 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

3 meals a day may seem sufficent to survive but many people are starving spiritually. The bottom line is also, we will be accountable to God's word in the end.

Get at me
CRIB

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AT

 

[Jimlarmore]

God only knows, but at 19yrs old, (now 47) I was at the crossroad of my life and I walked into a church and something happend. I needed sun glasses, The joy that filled my soul was so overwhelming.....The evidence is the changes in my life and How sweet His word became to me. I had grew up in church and was sincere in my worship as a child, but after that special day in 1978, I knew for sure that Jesus had forgiven me and was teaching me His word. I knew He was active in my life.
Imagine yourself passing out tracts to a people of another language and trying to lead them to Jesus...It worked!!! God is so amazing.

To my shame, I have not always listen to His voice and I have many regrets, but the sweetness of His word is still good to me.

The bible is supernatural...Whenever God speaks, you can look to the future and past and know that His word is true and complete.

I've been fortunate to have visited many churches, and I want you all to know that the reason the bible is written, is for God to prove himself as your God, by perfoming everything He has said in His word.
Yes, you have a songbook, and you should know all the words.

Praying for God to show up in your life is essential. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real touch from God. He can open up you eyes to His word. That is the primary work of the Holy Spirit
He is more real than the majority knows. Seek Him and you will find Him.

A major revelation happened on that day in 78, this scripture gave me instant wisdom.

Mat 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

3 meals a day may seem sufficent to survive but many people are starving spiritually. The bottom line is also, we will be accountable to God's word in the end.

Get at me
CRIB

What a wonderful blessing the Lord has given you. I have spoken to folks before that have seen lights and even spoke to angels. I have prayed in the past for God to allow me to see my guadian angel. So far that hasn't happened to my knowledge ( except possibly in one instance). I just want to comment on those who experience the knock out/down of being in the spirit. What some call the Toronto blessing etc.

There are only two supernatural powers in our world. Those for good and those for evil. Satan and his demons can perform mighty miracles that appear to be from God, even to the point of appearing to raise the dead back to life. Just before Christ comes back we will see vast increases in supernatural phenomenon/displays. In Revelations it says that they even have power to call fire down from heaven. I'm not sure if that statement is symbolic, literal or both but it shows that they ( demons ) are out to deceive us any way they can.

The Bible tells us to test spirits according to the word of God and His testimonies Isa 8:20. If there is anything these spirits say that stands contrary to the scriptures then they are not of God.

You are a very lucky person. God must have a very special mission for you in this life.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Avonia]

The joy that filled my soul was so overwhelming.....

This is our nature! So, thank you for demonstrating it. May you be in this way all of the time. Blessings!

 

[Cribstyl]

With respect to all......I have nothing to hide....... that's why I present my testimony. If any SDA ask me why do I post here?
Here's the short version, My wife is Adventist, I attend your church, respect your sabbaths, but most importantly...........I have a 1yr old and 3yr old in your church.
They're are listening to doctrines that I cannot understand from God's word. Oh, I have options, but they're not all good one.
If I can learn from you what you believe, I may be able to accept the pain I go though daily.
But truthfully I'm beginning to panic because the new guys are really hard to understand. They have no answers, just commentary.... I'm sick with it.

When I try to post text, they dont explain anything, they just post "sabbath", "commandments" keywords and spin me into confusion.

The only SDA person I've seen actively in the word was Tall73 and he jumpped ship. He was intelegent, respectful, patient, forgiving,.....I love that guy. We had some good dialogs last year. I see the pain and anger some felt, but I could see how much he was loved. Sometimes you have to let God be in charge.

I dont have any axe to grind...many of my friends are Adventist.

I am human, I get angry, I sin at times.

I do believe I can find texts on any doctrine, but SDA tend not to answer direct questions.

Will I blow my cool and leave? It's possible, I hope not. I love to learn and show what the word of God teaches.

Those that dont know me dont like me... Epecially one Mod, I wont mention names.....

I love Jesus and I know my gift concerning God's word.
Posting online is my pastime not my profession, but it is one of my ministries.
It you cant find it the word......I dont wanna hear it, lives are at stake, my babies, me, including yours.

sincerely
CRIB

 

[Adventtruth]

With respect to all......I have nothing to hide....... that's why I present my testimony. If any SDA ask me why do I post here?
Here's the short version, My wife is Adventist, I attend your church, respect your sabbaths, but most importantly...........I have a 1yr old and 3yr old in your church.
They're are listening to doctrines that I cannot understand from God's word. Oh, I have options, but they're not all good one.
If I can learn from you what you believe, I may be able to accept the pain I go though daily.
But truthfully I'm beginning to panic because the new guys are really hard to understand. They have no answers, just commentary.... I'm sick with it.

When I try to post text, they dont explain anything, they just post "sabbath", "commandments" keywords and spin me into confusion.

The only SDA person I've seen actively in the word was Tall73 and he jumpped ship. We had some good dialogs last year. I see the pain and anger some felt, but I could see how much he was loved. Sometimes you have to let God be in charge.

I dont have any axe to grind...many of my friends are Adventist.

I am human, I get angry, I sin at times.

I do believe I can find texts on any doctrine, but SDA tend not to answer direct questions.

Will I blow my cool and leave? It's possible, I hope not. I love to learn and show what the word of God teaches.

Those that dont know me dont like me... Epecially one Mod, I wont mention names.....

I love Jesus and I know my gift concerning God's word.
Posting online is my pastime not my profession, but it is one of my ministries.
It you cant find it the word......I dont wanna hear it, lives are at stake, my babies, me, including yours.

sincerely
CRIB

I understand how you feel.

Just today I was told by an Adventist of the local church here that I was wrong for taking my kids out of Adventism, that I should be teaching them the truth of the Sabbath and EGW.

AT

 

[Jimlarmore]

Crib,
You may not have an axe to grind but you do have a mission of sorts whether you want to admit it or not. Sometimes a direct answer is the best. I've seen some issues brought up about context that are ludicrous and false. I've heard that adventist are "proof texters" and for the most part that is incorrect as well. I've seen you sir basically dismiss the fact that the Sabbath was given at creation and re-confirmed at Sinai. You also dismiss several other key areas of the Bible that supports the necessity of observing the Sabbath.

I'm sure there is nothing most of us can say to change your mind on this issue. I thought we were discussing the bright light you saw years ago but all of a sudden we are back on a sensitive issue with you "the Sabbath".

It seems to me you are wrestling with God on this and won't admit it. If you weren't you would be very comfortable with your decision to reject it all together even if your wife is adventist. My wife is still baptist as I was a few years ago. We have no problems because I am confortable with rejecting observing Sunday. I believe observing the 7th days Sabbath is what spiritual Israel is supposed to be doing. I think those who would be getting ready for the 2nd advent will be celebrating it as a delight and a joy as it says we should be in Isaiah.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib,
You may not have an axe to grind but you do have a mission of sorts whether you want to admit it or not. Sometimes a direct answer is the best. I've seen some issues brought up about context that are ludicrous and false. I've heard that adventist are "proof texters" and for the most part that is incorrect as well. I've seen you sir basically dismiss the fact that the Sabbath was given at creation and re-confirmed at Sinai. You also dismiss several other key areas of the Bible that supports the necessity of observing the Sabbath.

I'm sure there is nothing most of us can say to change your mind on this issue. I thought we were discussing the bright light you saw years ago but all of a sudden we are back on a sensitive issue with you "the Sabbath".

It seems to me you are wrestling with God on this and won't admit it. If you weren't you would be very comfortable with your decision to reject it all together even if your wife is adventist. My wife is still baptist as I was a few years ago. We have no problems because I am confortable with rejecting observing Sunday. I believe observing the 7th days Sabbath is what spiritual Israel is supposed to be doing. I think those who would be getting ready for the 2nd advent will be celebrating it as a delight and a joy as it says we should be in Isaiah.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Hey, this is my thread, I'm using it for personal testimonies. Why are you here? SDA are venting about nonaventist, so Im standing up for me.
When and who have I not given an answer to?
Why say yes or no when the question is a set up or even biblical?
Well...Prove that sabbath was given in creation with text? (you cant or you probably wont even respond)

The prophetic text in Isa 66 is not literal,

and besides the text is saying...month to month and week to week.

and those text apply to earth not heaven.

The only part that apply to heaven is when God swear, "Just as" New Jerusalem would remain in His presence so would the CIO.

you wont reply back to my answers, you just run and find more sabbath text. I did not ask for a sabbath war. You're mad because you cant prove anything that you say.

And obviously I'm on your, people to hate list.

And all I did was stand up to you in other thread.

CRIB

 

[Adventtruth]

Hey, this is my thread, I'm using it for personal testimonies. Why are you here? SDA are venting about nonaventist, so Im standing up for me.
When and who have I not given an answer to?
Why say yes or no when the question is a set up or even biblical?
Well...Prove that sabbath was given in creation with text? (you cant or you probably wont even respond)

The prophetic text in Isa 66 is not literal,

and besides the text is saying...month to month and week to week.

and those text apply to earth not heaven.

The only part that apply to heaven is when God swear, "Just as" New Jerusalem would remain in His presence so would the CIO.

you wont reply back to my answers, you just run and find more sabbath text. I did not ask for a sabbath war. You're mad because you cant prove anything that you say.

And obviously I'm on your, people to hate list.

And all I did was stand up to you in other thread.

CRIB

You are correct...Jim can't provide the text for Sabbath observance from creation. He uses much speculation thoughj.

AT

 

[NightEternal]

The only SDA person I've seen actively in the word was Tall73 and he jumped ship.

It's something that should give all of us SDA's here pause, shouldn't it? Unfortunately, most Trads would just as soon write Tall off as a waste of an apostate and be done with him. Cast him into the trash heap of other SDA ministers who have betrayed the faith. Attack him, slander him, take cheap shots, but for Heaven's sake, don't seriously and carefully consider the reasons he left.

His concerns still have not been adequately answered IMO.

For me, to see theologically trained, Biblically versed, educated individuals (who have been in the SDA church for years) jump ship simply chills me to the bone. It's a pattern I have seen played out time and again, and I would be a fool to just dismiss it without carefully considering the issues they raise. This NOT just happening by chance.

Of course, the tendency is to just default to EGW and proudly boast about how she supposedly predicted these people would all leave the church. A handy way to excuse one from facing cold, hard reality to be sure. Nice, neat and packaged, goodbye Tall, don't let the door hit you on the way out, too little too late apostate. Now go Tall and Sophia, and whatever thou has to do, do it quickly. Embrace your pagan day and eat your vomit like the good little dogs you are.

Out of sight out of mind. Then the accusers scurry off to pacify and soothe themselves with a good dose of Here We Stand Doug Batchelor DVD's and try to forget that there are actually SDA pastors who know thier stuff better than they ever possibly could leaving by the hundreds. But there are. More and more every year. And many of those pastors who remain behind simply don't question too much or raise thier legitimate doctrinal concerns, because they feel it is just not worth it. The attitudes on this board towards Tall show clearly that it is not worth it, and only those ministers prepared for a world of hurt and pain will actually be as courageous as Tall and Free.

He may think this was worth it sometime down the road. Right now, I wouldn't blame him if he has doubts.

 

[JonMiller]

There is issues of interpretation on both sides.

Most aren't willing to admit that.

JM

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

You are correct...Jim can't provide the text for Sabbath observance from creation. He uses much speculation thoughj.

AT

What is interesting is that we so often assume that even those people who were in Egypt or those people whose stories are told of in Genesis must have also known the story of Genesis 1-11. We are all pretty much in agreement that those stories were not recorded until after the exodus from Egypt. That is what Jewish tradition is also. We assume so much when it comes to the Bible. And that is often a problem. How different it would be if we like the people of Israel first heard about God rested on the Sabbath from the delivery of the 10 commandments. Then we would see the care of God for His people and even the stranger at the gate instead of seeing it as God establishing a specific time requirement that we must obey.

But no they pretend that the phase remember means they must have know the whole creation story instead of being used like "remember I love you". Of course remember would be just as accurate right after you told them something but when we want to prove something that we cannot prove we often play word games.

 

[Adventtruth]

What is interesting is that we so often assume that even those people who were in Egypt or those people whose stories are told of in Genesis must have also known the story of Genesis 1-11. We are all pretty much in agreement that those stories were not recorded until after the exodus from Egypt. That is what Jewish tradition is also. We assume so much when it comes to the Bible. And that is often a problem. How different it would be if we like the people of Israel first heard about God rested on the Sabbath from the delivery of the 10 commandments. Then we would see the care of God for His people and even the stranger at the gate instead of seeing it as God establishing a specific time requirement that we must obey.

But no they pretend that the phase remember means they must have know the whole creation story instead of being used like "remember I love you". Of course remember would be just as accurate right after you told them something but when we want to prove something that we cannot prove we often play word games.

So true. Early in my Adventist days I speculated about many things that could not be proved from the bible, but still believed them to be true according to the lessor light. But over time, as I matured I had to face many question that I had in the back of my mind. So I said to self..."SELF... its time to do some soul searching and face the facts." So I begain to look for the reasons why I blindly believed some of the things I did. When I could no longer connect the dots from teh bible, I discarded what I previously thought was bible doctrines.

AT

 

[djconklin]

What is interesting is that we so often assume that even those people who were in Egypt or those people whose stories are told of in Genesis must have also known the story of Genesis 1-11. We are all pretty much in agreement that those stories were not recorded until after the exodus from Egypt.

If by "recorded" you mean "written" then you may wish to talk with those who think that Moses was working from other prior written accounts. Secondly, just because something was written at a given point in time that does not mean that it wasn't known orally prior to that point in time.

 

[Adventtruth]

If by "recorded" you mean "written" then you may wish to talk with those who think that Moses was working from other prior written accounts. Secondly, just because something was written at a given point in time that does not mean that it wasn't known orally prior to that point in time.

Thus you have proved his point about speculation.

AT

 

[Cribstyl]

Growing up in Queens New York City in the 70s. Neighborhoods were segregated, there were gangs all over. I was a member of the Cobras, and our rival gang was the Savage Skulls.

David Wilkerson came to my Hood and showed a movie on an alley wall. I was about 14yrs old. The movie was called "The Cross and The Switchblade". This movie birth a seed of hope in many lives. This movie help to give me strength to chose Jesus over crime and violence that had been a part of in my youth.

God uses people from all races and denominations to get the good news of the gospel out to the world

CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

With respect to all......I have nothing to hide....... that's why I present my testimony. If any SDA ask me why do I post here?
Here's the short version, My wife is Adventist, I attend your church, respect your sabbaths, but most importantly...........I have a 1yr old and 3yr old in your church.
They're are listening to doctrines that I cannot understand from God's word. Oh, I have options, but they're not all good one.
If I can learn from you what you believe, I may be able to accept the pain I go though daily.
But truthfully I'm beginning to panic because the new guys are really hard to understand. They have no answers, just commentary.... I'm sick with it.

When I try to post text, they dont explain anything, they just post "sabbath", "commandments" keywords and spin me into confusion.

The only SDA person I've seen actively in the word was Tall73 and he jumpped ship. He was intelegent, respectful, patient, forgiving,.....I love that guy. We had some good dialogs last year. I see the pain and anger some felt, but I could see how much he was loved. Sometimes you have to let God be in charge.

I dont have any axe to grind...many of my friends are Adventist.

I am human, I get angry, I sin at times.

I do believe I can find texts on any doctrine, but SDA tend not to answer direct questions.

Will I blow my cool and leave? It's possible, I hope not. I love to learn and show what the word of God teaches.

Those that dont know me dont like me... Epecially one Mod, I wont mention names.....

I love Jesus and I know my gift concerning God's word.
Posting online is my pastime not my profession, but it is one of my ministries.
It you cant find it the word......I dont wanna hear it, lives are at stake, my babies, me, including yours.

sincerely
CRIB

I refresh this 2yr old thread to learn that I have been here at the Trad section for quite a while. I walked in 2007 with questions and I'm walking out with questions unanswered. CFchanges and rules have caused me to post in the D/D section for mostly a year, and now overagressive arguments have caused me to make a resolution to be less stressed. I blame myself for poor communication skill set.

Some should be elated to know that my kids are now 2 and 4 and are SDA. They're pray out loud all the time in church and sing solos at times.

Some would be shock to know that I'm happily married and very much in love with my SDA wife. I've taken some cheap shots about my marriage as a result of heated arguments with a few people.
I realize being open and honest with socalled Christians can be harmful. These are difficult times.

Among others, Man of God is an awesome Christain and ambassador

I have no hard feeling towards anyone, and I apoljize for breaking the rules by posting in section at CF

God bless Trads
CRIBSTYL

 

[Man-ofGod]

Thus you have proved his point about speculation.

AT

We know the word of God to be true. We also have shown countless times on this message board that the 10 commandments are still valid. So what do people do? They use the argument that "it doesn't apply because it did not exist in the beginning." We know the Bible does not contradict itself. Therefore, it becomes logical to assume that it did exist in the beginning.


Exodus 20

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates."

Why did God say to remember the Sabbath? Because 11 in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

It is so plain but people are stuck in there traditions. If it wasn't for the Sabbath, would Christians still try to reject the 10 commandments? Most Baptist admit the 10 commandments are valid, but reject that one commandment for whatever reason. However, many Baptist have converted to the SDA theology because they have seen the truth. To take that one step further, they have formed denominations that worship on the Sabbath. I myself am a former Catholic who converted to SDA. Remember, it is not about following that which is convenient for us, but that which is truth.

 

[TrustAndObey]

We know the word of God to be true. We also have shown countless times on this message board that the 10 commandments are still valid. So what do people do? They use the argument that "it doesn't apply because it did not exist in the beginning." We know the Bible does not contradict itself. Therefore, it becomes logical to assume that it did exist in the beginning.


Exodus 20

8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates."

Why did God say to remember the Sabbath? Because 11 in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

It is so plain but people are stuck in there traditions. If it wasn't for the Sabbath, would Christians still try to reject the 10 commandments? Most Baptist admit the 10 commandments are valid, but reject that one commandment for whatever reason. However, many Baptist have converted to the SDA theology because they have seen the truth. To take that one step further, they have formed denominations that worship on the Sabbath. I myself am a former Catholic who converted to SDA. Remember, it is not about following that which is convenient for us, but that which is truth.

Amen MoG. Once you shoot down one argument using scripture, there's always another, and that just proves that the law isn't written on some people's hearts. They do not feel a commitment to defend it, because they don't FEEL it at all.

I get it though. It really is an incovenience for some to give up one whole day.

I grew up Baptist and we were definitely taught to keep the 10 commandments. We were told Sunday IS the Sabbath though.

 

[BobRyan]

It's something that should give all of us SDA's here pause, shouldn't it? Unfortunately, most Trads would just as soon write Tall off as a waste of an apostate and be done with him. Cast him into the trash heap of other SDA ministers who have betrayed the faith. Attack him, slander him, take cheap shots, but for Heaven's sake, don't seriously and carefully consider the reasons he left.

.

I have been blessed to have the time to show Tall73 his Bible errors in Heb 9 and in Dan 7 on another message board - as some others have shown him the areas where his study has been in error regarding Col 2 on this ChristianForums board.

I would hardly call this "cheap shots" and "Attacks" - just good sound Bible study.

in Christ,

Bob