Blast from the Past

[Judephraim]

Great movie,I liked how Adam was so innocent.
There are people in this Christian Forums who know the future.
Most people don't know the future but those rare people who know everything could give advise to some of us blue collar slaves.

Here's what I'm thinking-Pretty soon the whole world will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles and there just has to be something that you and I could invest in to make us rich once the whole world celebrates the Feast of Tabernacles.

No doubt Christ-Mass and Ishtar is a world wide celebration and generates billions of Dollars.

One day Sukkot will also generate dollars.

I know somebody out there knows what I can invest in before Sukkot becomes popular.

What is it? I'll start sending 42 bucks a month.

Don't be stingy

 

[simchat_torah]

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[Judephraim]

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I'm sorry,I always expect people to know what I'm talking about.
Sukkot is called the feast of Tabernacles and some people like myself believe that Yeshua{Jesus} was born on the feast of Tabernacles.Like Christmas today being celebrated as his birth,Sukkot will become popular and everyone will celebrate it as Zech states.If I could invest some money to help Israel and progress Sukkot at the same time,that would be cool.

But money isn't the issue,If I could help Sukkot progress then I would be paid enough.I still believe that many might get rich because they know that the world will celebrate Sukkot.Any celebration will generate alot of money.I don't care about the money but it would be cool if I was found celebrating Sukkot.

 

[Henaynei]

Some how I hope the OP is tongue-in-cheek.....

I truly doubt that money will be much of an issue by/at the time that the whole world is submitted to HaShem.....

I also don't see it happening any time with in the next 2-4 lifetimes - but hey - invest in an etrog farm

 

[simchat_torah]

I don't think the 'whole world' will be celebrating Sukkot before the Messianic Age.

 

[Judephraim]

Some how I hope the OP is tongue-in-cheek.....

I truly doubt that money will be much of an issue by/at the time that the whole world is submitted to HaShem.....

I also don't see it happening any time with in the next 2-4 lifetimes - but hey - invest in an etrog farm

People talk about the Messianic age or the millineum all the time and I'm not sure what they mean.I know bits and pieces but I havn't figured it out yet.When Zechariah speaks about all nations celebrating Sukkot,he adds that the nations who don't will be judged and that implies that people have a choice.I don't know excactly when the Messianic age will begin and I don't know who all will be there.Certainly if Yeshuah was here with us it would mean that all people would celebrate Sukkot if they celebrated anything.Is Zech speaking of a 100 years from now? I don't think he is,I think pretty soon for some reason people all over the world will start doing it.I think it's allready begun.To me it seems like something new is in the world today and I see in all these religions people drawn to Messianic traditions and it's very exciting.

 

[Judephraim]

I don't think the 'whole world' will be celebrating Sukkot before the Messianic Age.

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I think a few of us need to take a chill pill at times.Speaking for myself I always feel stupid cause I get so mad at times about stupid things.

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I would really like to here your views on the Messianic age cause I'm sure you probably know more than me about the subject.

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If Zech is speaking of the Messianic age at this point,does that mean Yeshuah will be on Earth? I really dont know.

 

[CharlesYTK]

Great movie,I liked how Adam was so innocent.
There are people in this Christian Forums who know the future.
Most people don't know the future but those rare people who know everything could give advise to some of us blue collar slaves.

Here's what I'm thinking-Pretty soon the whole world will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles and there just has to be something that you and I could invest in to make us rich once the whole world celebrates the Feast of Tabernacles.

No doubt Christ-Mass and Ishtar is a world wide celebration and generates billions of Dollars.

One day Sukkot will also generate dollars.

I know somebody out there knows what I can invest in before Sukkot becomes popular.

What is it? I'll start sending 42 bucks a month.

Don't be stingy

Do you really believe that the Kingdom of Messiah is a money making venture or that the Lord can be exploited? I do not want to play with phsychoanalysis, but you seem to be holding on to some deeply entrenched ideas perhaps about God and "Jesus" and may be struggling with truth that threatens your understanding of things.

I find no place of peace in your words which are laced with sarcasm and disrespect. You seem to be in great danger. If there is some way that you can be assisted, then ask on and let us converse together.

Charles

 

[simchat_torah]

Why the hostility Judephraim?
Did someone offend you?

 

[Judephraim]

Do you really believe that the Kingdom of Messiah is a money making venture or that the Lord can be exploited? I do not want to play with phsychoanalysis, but you seem to be holding on to some deeply entrenched ideas perhaps about God and "Jesus" and may be struggling with truth that threatens your understanding of things.

I find no place of peace in your words which are laced with sarcasm and disrespect. You seem to be in great danger. If there is some way that you can be assisted, then ask on and let us converse together.

Charles

Anybody that knows me knows that anytime I get money,I give it away.I am on a first name basis with alot homeless people around here.I grew up wealthy and we always had 30 people living in our house.Making money isn't a bad thing,I don't want to brag but I doubt there is one single family in my town who gives more to charity than my family.

I wrote this thinking it might just be an interesting subject and like I said in the first place,I don't care about money or anything I can own but I should have figured out that all you people would see me as a greedy money hungry freak.
Our disagreement is whether Zech is talking about the kingdom of Messiah or not.Or should I say the Messianic age.
If I ever do make any money it will be spent on housing homeless people.

 

[Judephraim]

Why the hostility Judephraim?
Did someone offend you?

It's not really hostility,it's just that I'm a phycho,Charles hit it on the head,I think I do need assistance.
Anyway Simchat,The part where Zech talks about all nations celebrating Sukkot,Do you think the Messiah is here on Earth?

 

[Judephraim]

What does the YTK stand for Charles?

 

[Judephraim]

I guess I should apoligize to you guys,I was sarcastic,and I had to even be edited

So do what Jesus would do and forgive me.

I'm really not a bad guy as far as money is concerned.I'm bad in alot of ways but greed has never been a fault of mine.Now I'm broke all the time and the reasons that I really want alot of money is probably wrong but I'm stuck with my belief.

There is a scripture in the renewed covenant that talks about covering a multitude of sins and I keep thinking that one day everyone will see me naked.
I would be so ashamed if everyone saw everything I did.maybe I'm wrong about that scripture but it says that charity will cover a multitude of sins and also keeping the Torah and teaching other people to.

I know I can't save myself,and I know in that day how ashamed I will be but just maybe if I try and keep the Torah and teach others to and I give alot to charity that maybe I'll at least have some holy underwear on when I'm so naked.
As a child I spent hundreds of hours putting out those little cartoon tracks at phone booths and washaterias for years and one of those tracks showed a drive in movie of your life for everyone to see,nothing will be hidden.

 

[CharlesYTK]

Judephraim,

You can not purchase forgiveness through charity. Giving from the heart while expecting nothing in return is a good mitzvah. Look, we are all sinners and have our faults. Abba knows them all and He alone will forgive us for them, as he brings them before us. True repentence, from the heart on our knees before him allows him to speak to our hearts about what needs to be dealt with and in what order. We can not heal ourselves. We need to go before the Lord, Humbly.

He wants to set you and all of us free from the sins and memories of the past that torment us.

Charles

 

[Judephraim]

Judephraim,

You can not purchase forgiveness through charity. Giving from the heart while expecting nothing in return is a good mitzvah. Look, we are all sinners and have our faults. Abba knows them all and He alone will forgive us for them, as he brings them before us. True repentence, from the heart on our knees before him allows him to speak to our hearts about what needs to be dealt with and in what order. We can not heal ourselves. We need to go before the Lord, Humbly.

He wants to set you and all of us free from the sins and memories of the past that torment us.

Charles

There has to be some kind of balance in your life,Alot of people live out their lives going to church and being pretty descent,I guess I'm talking about normal people.They pay their thithes and they might never commit what they would consider an evil act.These people do good most of the time and they are waiting for that mansion on the hill,I on the other hand do more bad than the normal person so I try and find a balance.I try and do something good so I wont be bad all the time.Can I be totaly worthless all the time?

Do you get my point? Either it means something or it doesn't.

Is it the same for a person who never helps anybody as it is for a person who does?

1st Peter 4-8
And above all things have charity among yourselves;for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
What do you think is meant buy that? It looks like its talking about helping people but what is meant by saying that we can do something to cover sins?

That's another subject I guess,What I want to know is what do you think of Zech talking about when all nations will come up to Sukkot or be punished.Is Yeshuah on the Earth then?

 

[ShirChadash]

Yeshua the Messiah has not yet returned to the earth. All will see Him -- every eye -- when He does.


[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 24:4-31 4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all F131 these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, F132 and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. 15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' F133 spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

During the millenial reign, yes I believe Yeshua will be on earth reigning and all nations will be expected to come (or send respresentatives to) His Holy City for Sukkot (Tabernacles) and if they do not, then no rain shall fall on their lands. Is it literal? Figurative? Dunno. But I know one thing -- the REAL Yeshua isn't on earth -- He has not made His second coming as of yet. And no -- I doubt Sukkot will be a money-making scheme.
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[Judephraim]

Yeshua the Messiah has not yet returned to the earth. All will see Him -- every eye -- when He does.


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During the millenial reign, yes I believe Yeshua will be on earth reigning and all nations will be expected to come (or send respresentatives to) His Holy City for Sukkot (Tabernacles) and if they do not, then no rain shall fall on their lands. Is it literal? Figurative? Dunno. But I know one thing -- the REAL Yeshua isn't on earth -- He has not made His second coming as of yet. And no -- I doubt Sukkot will be a money-making scheme.
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Every knee shall bow and every toungue will confess I suppose.This is what I don't understand yet.Here is G-d on Earth and there are some people left here that might not come up to Sukkot.My opinion is that Sukkot gets popular before the Messiah comes.I just can't get it in my mind that people might still rebel after he is here,but then these endtime things confuse me.

 

[ShirChadash]

I really don't think Sukkot will become "popular" before Yeshua returns... the fact is, it's considered a "Jewish" feast, not a fundamentally Biblical feast, and there is so much anti-Judaism and anti-Jew in the world -- just the idea of celebrating the feasts by both people of religion, and people of nations, is abhorrant to too many people because of its Judaic connections. Just go look through the other forums even here, and you can see the anti-Jew anti-Judaism anti-all-things-Judaic attitudes. Yes, many will still rebel after Yeshua comes and His Rule will be swift and just.

 

[CharlesYTK]

The reason that some people will resist is that there will be unredemed people living on the earth during the Millennial kingdom. It also says that He, Messiah, will rule over the nations with a rod of Iron, ect. The tribulation will bring a huge number of people to repentence, but not all. Notice in that Zech verse it is the survivors of the very nations who was against messiah during the tribulation. It is during the tribulation that Torah will go forth from Jerusalem and that the nations with learn, LEARN, how to heep the commandments.

There is a boat load of unscriptural teachings that have gone out about pretrib raptures and no one but the redeemed will survive the trib ect, and these have caused terrible confusion and false doctrine in the churches. The rapture is post trib, at the very end of the great tribulation, as the Lord returns, and just before the wrath of God is poured out on the beast empire of antichrist at armageddon. The tribulation is 3 1/2 years long, not 7. Armageddon takes place in the last 28 days of that period.

Hope this helps,

Charles

 

[Judephraim]

The reason that some people will resist is that there will be unredemed people living on the earth during the Millennial kingdom. It also says that He, Messiah, will rule over the nations with a rod of Iron, ect. The tribulation will bring a huge number of people to repentence, but not all. Notice in that Zech verse it is the survivors of the very nations who was against messiah during the tribulation. It is during the tribulation that Torah will go forth from Jerusalem and that the nations with learn, LEARN, how to heep the commandments.

There is a boat load of unscriptural teachings that have gone out about pretrib raptures and no one but the redeemed will survive the trib ect, and these have caused terrible confusion and false doctrine in the churches. The rapture is post trib, at the very end of the great tribulation, as the Lord returns, and just before the wrath of God is poured out on the beast empire of antichrist at armageddon. The tribulation is 3 1/2 years long, not 7. Armageddon takes place in the last 28 days of that period.

Hope this helps,

Charles

That's my big problem,I was taught a boatload all my life and now I have to deal with seeing beyond pre concieved ideas