Black Lives Do Not Matter More Than Others

[Jahrooshshalom]

I will admit judging others certainly appears to come natural to you, but whatever happened to taking the log out of your own eye?

Only foolish people imagine the scriptures say never judge. You judge as you can see by what you wrote to me.
And if you read that scripture it tells you to realize you can also be judged because you too have faults. It does not say to never judge anyone at all. Otherwise, the scripture that states use righteousness when exercising judgment would be a lie. As would the scriptures that tell the church how to deal with those who are falling away from the way. To arrive at that conclusion one has to judge that member is falling. And then they're told to approach that member in private and speak with them about it. And if that member doesn't take the advice, listen to the sage wisdom imparted by others concerned for them, take it to the church, take it public.

All that is judgment.
So yes, judgment comes naturally to the both of us. As it is every single last member of these forums, Christian or otherwise.

Judgment =an opinion or decision that is based on careful thought.

 

[RDKirk]

I will admit judging others certainly appears to come natural to you, but whatever happened to taking the log out of your own eye?

A couple of things there. Three, actually.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"-- 1 Timothy 3. This tells me a couple of things. First, it tells me what scripture is and what scripture is not. Scripture is a curriculum for learning righteousness. Not for archeology or astronomy or anthropology or even history, but for a specific ethical philosophy. In that regard, it should be taken to a great extent as "instructional fable" providing teaching material toward a philosophical goal. Second, it says "all scripture," which means not only each verse of scripture in particular but also all scripture as a whole.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you." -- 1 Corinthians 5

Among the things it teaches is that as a curriculum for a specific ethical philosophy, it really only applies to the followers of that specific ethical philosophy, and only the actions of those followers can be judged by whether they adhere to that particular philosophy. In other words, "club rules" only apply to members of the club.

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. -- Matthew 7

How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. -- Luke 6

Ultimately, the purpose is to remove the speck from my brother's eye, not to ignore it. That is, I am removing the speck. I'm not merely criticizing him for having a speck in his eye, I'm saying, "I will do that for you."

But first, I have to be clear of problems (at least that problem) myself. I have to acknowledge that I'm not just vulnerable to that problem but actually suffered from that problem myself. It's not "there but for the grace of God go I," but "I was there, and only by the grace of God am I not there now." You don't jest at wounds when you bear your own scars.

In order to become competent to remove my brother's speck, I have to experience removing my own log.

 

[bhsmte]

A couple of things there. Three, actually.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"-- 1 Timothy 3. This tells me a couple of things. First, it tells me what scripture is and what scripture is not. Scripture is a curriculum for learning righteousness. Not for archeology or astronomy or anthropology or even history, but for a specific ethical philosophy. In that regard, it should be taken to a great extent as "instructional fable" providing teaching material toward a philosophical goal. Second, it says "all scripture," which means not only each verse of scripture in particular but also all scripture as a whole.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you." -- 1 Corinthians 5

Among the things it teaches is that as a curriculum for a specific ethical philosophy, it really only applies to the followers of that specific ethical philosophy, and only the actions of those followers can be judged by whether they adhere to that particular philosophy. In other words, "club rules" only apply to members of the club.

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. -- Matthew 7

How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. -- Luke 6

Ultimately, the purpose is to remove the speck from my brother's eye, not to ignore it. That is, I am removing the speck. I'm not merely criticizing him for having a speck in his eye, I'm saying, "I will do that for you."

But first, I have to be clear of problems (at least that problem) myself. I have to acknowledge that I'm not just vulnerable to that problem but actually suffered from that problem myself. It's not "there but for the grace of God go I," but "I was there, and only by the grace of God am I not there now." You don't jest at wounds when you bear your own scars.

In order to become competent to remove my brother's speck, I have to experience removing my own log.

I understand.

And all of this would be reliant on each individuals own interpretation of scripture, in how to identify evil and or identify the need to take the speck from someone else's eye.

It appears to me, some folks that are part of the club, extend their radar for finding these specks, to a highly sensitive setting.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

My new signature! BTW I did not mean no judging, I meant I cannot judge a race based on one person of that races actions. As for judging as a christian. There is a difference between judging and correction.

 

[Cute Tink]

 

[SkyWriting]

If we do not define people by their color we miss the blessing God has in the difference.

Like how I change when I get more tanned in the summer?
Naaaa

 

[SkyWriting]

You are missing the point. EVERY distinction is for God's mutual blessing to us. To adversely judge someone on gender, nationality, skin color, age, etc. is to deny God's blessing by relating to that person.

You hint that prosecutable types of discrimination efforts have scriptural support.
Please provide it.

 

[lupusFati]

Can't tell by what you demonstrate now as a fallen backsliding pagan.

I was never taught love while I was in the faith. I only learned to love when I had become a 'fallen, backsliding pagan', because I had let go of hatred.

 

[SkyWriting]

I was never taught love while I was in the faith. I only learned to love when I had become a 'fallen, backsliding pagan', because I had let go of hatred.

How is that letting-go going?

 

[SkyWriting]

Ultimately, the purpose is to remove the speck from my brother's eye, not to ignore it.

Or He is saying that the only way to remove the speck, is by removing the plank.

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
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[Dave-W]

You hint that prosecutable types of discrimination efforts have scriptural support.

That turns what I am saying on its head.

"Prosecutable types of discrimination?" Really?

 

[RDKirk]

Or He is saying that the only way to remove the speck, is by removing the plank.

I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways​

Ultimately, we don't want any of us to be walking around with stuff in our eyes.

When I was in the military, when we had an inspection someone might say, "Hey, Kirk, your pocket's unbuttoned!" I'd say, "Dang, man, thanks for telling me!" Then he'd say, "No problem--now check me!" Neither one of us wanted to be caught imperfect by the inspector. It would be the same preparing for combat: If my buddy sees my combat gear is whack, I want him to tell me.

That's the attitude we should have.

 

[SkyWriting]

Ultimately, we don't want any of us to be walking around with stuff in our eyes.

When I was in the military, when we had an inspection someone might say, "Hey, Kirk, your pocket's unbuttoned!" I'd say, "Dang, man, thanks for telling me!" Then he'd say, "No problem--now check me!" Neither one of us wanted to be caught imperfect by the inspector. It would be the same preparing for combat: If my buddy sees my combat gear is whack, I want him to tell me.

That's the attitude we should have.

That is the instruction given to church members for other
members of the close knit group of believers.

 

[SkyWriting]

That turns what I am saying on its head.
"Prosecutable types of discrimination?" Really?

You seem unaware of discrimination law.

• Age
• Disability
• Equal Pay/Compensation
• Genetic Information
• Harassment
• National Origin
• Pregnancy
• Race/Color
• Religion
• Retaliation
• Sex
• Sexual Harassment

So if you say it is a blessing from God to categorize people
in ways that are normally illegal, I'm just asking for your
scriptural support for the claim.

 

[RDKirk]

That is the instruction given to church members for other
members of the close knit group of believers.

Exactly, indeed.

 

[LostMarbels]

Black Lives Matter... this thread is the perfect example that you don't understand what it means.

It never said "Only" Black Lives Matter. It also never said Black Lives Matter "Too".

You're just using your own definition for what Black Lives Matter means.

However, I doubt I'll ever get through to you. But it needed to be said before other gullible members of the board start agreeing with your incorrect viewpoint.

King Noble: "IT'S OPEN SEASON ON WHITE PEOPLE & WHITE COPS"

Sheriff Clarke on "Black Lives Matter": "It's a vile vulgar slimy movement"

There is soooo much I cannot link to this site. Including a protest and rant about " (blank) pairs and all white people" made by the BLM movement.

 

[rrguy]

No one ever said "Black lives matter more" or "White lives matter less". The phrase is Black Lives Matter for a reason and if you don't know or understand the reason, then you are part of the problem and you should educate yourself as to what the movement is actually about. It is not about Black superiority.

Tell me how people would respond to white lives matter ?

 

[rrguy]

Exactly. This thread is actually the perfect example of why Black Lives Matter even exists as a movement.

So how does blocking main highways used by all including first response matter more, or make sense? It creates more confusion & frustrated people.

 

[LostMarbels]

Tell me how people would respond to white lives matter ?

About as well as an entire production studio and news outlet completely dedicated to white pride, white related events, and movies with white themes, and all white actors called "WhiteBusters". Ohh wait.... that sounds like BET.

 

[Dave-W]

You seem unaware of discrimination law.

Not so. As a Federal employee I am VERY aware of those laws.

But you seem bent on making something positive into something negative. No one is going to be discriminated against if we are CELEBRATING the differences and unique contributions.

So if you say it is a blessing from God to categorize people in ways that are normally illegal, I'm just asking for your scriptural support for the claim.

Categorizing is not illegal, discriminating against (or for) them on that basis is. The blessing comes from the unique contribution each one brings to the table.

If you are truly interested in this concept, I suggest you get the book "Mutual Blessing" by Dan Juster.