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gtsecc

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Ok, here in SC we elected a Christian male priest to be Bishop. Now, he believes in the traditional faith, and he did not get consent from the rest of TEC. We had to re-elect him a second time and resubmit him as our candidate. On the second go around, we received consent from the national church.
How does that compare to Northern Michigan?
From the living Church:
The Diocese of Northern Michigan elected the Rev. Kevin Thew Forrester as bishop Feb. 21 at a special diocesan convention.

Fr. Forrester, the only candidate on the slate, was elected on the first ballot, receiving 88 percent of delegate votes and 91 percent of congregational votes, according to a diocesan news release.

The bishop-elect has served the diocese since 2001 as its ministry development coordinator and more recently as rector of St. Paul’s Church, Marquette, and St. John’s, Negaunee.
The announcement of Fr. Forrester’s nomination sparked controversy last month because he is also a practicing Buddhist and said he had received Buddhist “lay ordination” and was “walking the path of Christianity and Zen Buddhism together.”

Assuming sufficient consents are received from a majority of standing committees and bishops with jurisdiction, Fr. Forrester will be consecrated Oct. 17 in Marquette.
 

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My personal take is that while it is appropriate to study and learn from other religions, being 'ordained' in another (about the fullest evidence of practicing that religion) should indicate that Christian ordination is at the very least inappropriate for this person, particularly to the episcopate wherein one is supposed to "guard the faith."
I guess what I'm saying is that I personally find some elements of Judaism, Buddhism, and others interesting, edifying, etc. but at the end of the day I am not any of those. I am a Christian and I expect that the clergy in my Church be so as well.
 
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The announcement of Fr. Forrester’s nomination sparked controversy last month because he is also a practicing Buddhist and said he had received Buddhist “lay ordination” and was “walking the path of Christianity and Zen Buddhism together.”

Wow. Just, wow. :confused:
 
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Hi, gtsecc! Good to "hear" from you.

Two differences:

The bishop in SC is conservative. The bishop-elect of Norhtern Michigan is not.

Naturally, a discerning national church would want to inquire into "what is wrong with" your bishop. ;)

But also, the Diocese of No Mich hardly exists. Membership is steadily declinng. At least two of its bishops in recent years fell from office because of scandals. Most parishes have no pastors at all, not even ones shared with other parishes or missions. The financial situation is desperate.

For a comparison, Thirty years ago, when things were much better everywhere, only three parishes in the whole of this diocese reported more than 100 communicants, and the one that Fr. Forrester is rector of at present was was far and away the largest one at 400. The total number of parishes in this diocese that is over 350 miles across was equal to the number of Episcopal Parishes in Charleston, SC alone (counting the several in North Charleston and Sullivan's Island).

IOW, this may be a case of "Can we find someone to take this job?" As you noted, there was only one candidate.
 
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Without being a smartalec, I'd have to say that it depends on how you define Buddhism. Many varieties of Buddhism constitute a religion, complete with gods and redeemer-figures (bodhisattvas), which is incompatible with Christianity. Other varieties stress meditation and detachment from things of this world -- common Christian spiritual practices -- and may have something to teach us about a different way to achieve detachment from worldly goods and a focus on God's will. Our friend longhair75, as well as Beanieboy, who posts largely in E&M, are practicing Christians who have learned much from Buddhism. So did Thomas Merton and Alan Watts, respectivel Catholic and Episcopalian clergy-authors on mysticism.

Personally, I think Gene Robinson, Mark Lawrence, and Thew Forrester all should have received ratification as bishops, and add their individual teachings to the mix of what it means to be Episcopalian today.
 
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The late Fr. Thomas Merton had no problems walking both a Christian and Zen Buddhist path. Why should it really matter?

I don't especially care, but the meat of the matter might lie with the OP's description--"practicing" (Buddhist), "lay ordination," and walking the two paths "together."

I appreciate -- and agree with -- Polycarp's observations, but learning much from Buddhism and what these words might signal could amount to two different things. I suppose anyone wanting to nail it down firmly would have to launch a search of news articles, and see exactly which is which. For certain, we can no longer just assume that it's not credible to say that any Episcopalian is not also a Buddhist, a practicing white witch, a believer in some American Indian deity or etc. I've personally encountered all of these.
 
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Merton is one of my favorites and the book "Seeds of Contemplation" should be required reading for any Christian.


Don't ask me to figure it all out though, I'm not that bright.

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Perhaps what we should ask is whether Zen Buddhism and Episcopalianism are compatible spiritual paths.

Shall we read "Living Buddha, Living Christ"?
The guy that wrote that book is not a Christian in any meaniful sense.

"After urging the pope to abandon all dogmas, Nhat Hanh proceeds to instruct the pontiff on Christology and trinitarian theology. He quotes John Paul II's insistence that Jesus is the only Son of God and is unique among the religious leaders of humankind, and protests that the popes claim "does not reflect the deep mystery of the oneness of the Trinity. It also does not reflect the fact that Christ is also the Son of Man."

Nhat Hanh understands the uniqueness of Christ as being on the same level as the uniqueness of every other human being. According to the principle of nonduality, all beings are not other than the timeless, the unconditioned, thus all who are enlightened can say: "Before Abraham came to be, I am.""
Living Buddha, Living Christ. - book reviews

Anyone who believes these things is not a Christian.
 
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Welcome back, friend Glen

As my Brother Polycarp said, I have learned quite a bit from my readings in Buddhism, and I have read quite a lot of what Thich Nhat Hanh has had to say. I would agree that he is not any sort of Christian, and that the religious aspects of some sects of Buddhism would be in direct opposition to Christianity. That being said, I found insight and enlightenment from Zen Buddhism. I have never considered Buddhism to be religious in nature, nor do I find any worship to be involved in the studies, so I have no problem resolving and integrating what I have learned following the eightfold path into my daily life. But that is really another topic.

The line between ethical philosophy and religious observance is not so clearly marked in Buddhist traditions. The introspective nature of Zen Buddhism would seem to be in direct conflict with the Pastoral nature of a Bishop's Vocation. I am not sure that I would have voted to affirm this guy without a great deal more thought and study.
 
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Welcome back, friend Glen

As my Brother Polycarp said, I have learned quite a bit from my readings in Buddhism, and I have read quite a lot of what Thich Nhat Hanh has had to say. I would agree that he is not any sort of Christian, and that the religious aspects of some sects of Buddhism would be in direct opposition to Christianity. That being said, I found insight and enlightenment from Zen Buddhism. I have never considered Buddhism to be religious in nature, nor do I find any worship to be involved in the studies, so I have no problem resolving and integrating what I have learned following the eightfold path into my daily life. But that is really another topic.

The line between ethical philosophy and religious observance is not so clearly marked in Buddhist traditions. The introspective nature of Zen Buddhism would seem to be in direct conflict with the Pastoral nature of a Bishop's Vocation. I am not sure that I would have voted to affirm this guy without a great deal more thought and study.
 
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