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People who use birth control have been labeled that much and worse in this thread.You are quite a judge of people? You knew them personally then?
Both are gross generalizations (which is rarely a good idea!). And the first to make them were those who are anti-contraceptive. Do you disagree with their judgement on us?So that makes it okay for more?
...you've discovered that three of your four children were conceived in January and are using that as evidence that you will continue to conceive in January in the future? You realize that's not sound science, right? Nor is it supported by outside study?who says I can't support them? Are you dictating to me that I am not able to provide for my children? Yes, I may have a dozen kids and I even have a greater chance of having another set of twins, but each one of our children will be a welcome even if we were not wanting anymore. My husband and I have figured out that we get pregnant every 2 years in January(except for my middle daughter who was concieved two weeks after I had a miscarriage and we consider her a true miracle) so now we know to avoid any contact with each other during that period. There are ways around it and celibacy does work
People who devote their life to full time Christian service are selfish but people who pop horse urine pills, stick pieces of plastic in their uterus to abort their children on a monthly basis or have themselves surgically sterilized like a common house pet so they don't have to face the responsibility and expense of bringing a precious soul into the world aren't?I've always thought people who bring their children and go on missionary work to be lousy, selfish people.
People who devote their life to full time Christian service are selfish but people who pop horse urine pills, stick pieces of plastic in their uterus to abort their children on a monthly basis or have themselves surgically sterilized like a common house pet so they don't have to face the responsibility and expense of bringing a precious soul into the world aren't?What a backwards view.
It is just funny how people make baseless assumptions like this. I know quite a few large families, and they do just fine on modest single incomes and the children are more emotionally cared for than most daycare raised single and double children....you've discovered that three of your four children were conceived in January and are using that as evidence that you will continue to conceive in January in the future? You realize that's not sound science, right? Nor is it supported by outside study?
As for celibacy working, sure it works. It's not any fun, though.
Perhaps you would be able to support a dozen children. Most families cannot. Even those that are able to financially often lack the ability to support their children emotionally. If it works for you, great. Don't you assume for a second that it's a good rule for others to live by, though.
Isn't it funny how people always act like you are going to have a billion kids if you don't use BC?who says I can't support them? Are you dictating to me that I am not able to provide for my children? Yes, I may have a dozen kids and I even have a greater chance of having another set of twins, but each one of our children will be a welcome even if we were not wanting anymore. My husband and I have figured out that we get pregnant every 2 years in January(except for my middle daughter who was concieved two weeks after I had a miscarriage and we consider her a true miracle) so now we know to avoid any contact with each other during that period. There are ways around it and celibacy does work
...really? I remember looking and I can't find it. Any idea what number it was? I do remember you saying it was wrong but proof? I'd love to see it.
That's is what I'm trying to find. Proof of that.
Define "recent" and "sects"?
...uhmm what sort of proof do you want? It seems more like something a couple would decide for themselves, but you've sort of made it sound like a conspiracy.
tulc(needs another cup of coffee!)
I don't think you quite understand what we're saying here, Lotar. It doesn't matter what your personal examples are. There is a statistical likelihood that, if a healthy sex life is maintained, a family will have many, many children over the course of their lifetime. In today's society, it is likely that they will have more children than they are capable of supporting. You may know a family, or three families, or ten families that are doing just fine with a dozen children that are doing adequately. That is not the norm for large families.It is just funny how people make baseless assumptions like this. I know quite a few large families, and they do just fine on modest single incomes and the children are more emotionally cared for than most daycare raised single and double children.
What you don't get is this a bunch of bull that is baseless in its assertion.I don't think you quite understand what we're saying here, Lotar. It doesn't matter what your personal examples are. There is a statistical likelihood that, if a healthy sex life is maintained, a family will have many, many children over the course of their lifetime. In today's society, it is likely that they will have more children than they are capable of supporting. You may know a family, or three families, or ten families that are doing just fine with a dozen children that are doing adequately. That is not the norm for large families.
I live in Southern California. Tell that to the first-generation immigrant families in Santa Ana with ten kids, half an income, and an aversion to birth control because of their staunch Catholic faith.What you don't get is this a bunch of bull that is baseless in its assertion.
1.) Most women do not ovulate when they breast feed.
2.) On average, sex during a health woman's fertile period will only result in pregnancy 20% of the time.
3.) As a woman ages, the likelyhood drops, and the chance of miscarraige increases.
Furthermore, it is not exceedingly hard to raise a large family. You aren't going to have a $50k car, a plasma tv and cellphones for all the kids, but they aren't going to starve and go naked either.
I live in So Cal too. In one of the three cities that had home prices actually increase this year.I live in Southern California. Tell that to the first-generation immigrant families in Santa Ana with ten kids, half an income, and an aversion to birth control because of their staunch Catholic faith.
Again, your personal experiences to the contrary are irrelevant. If even one family becomes unable to care for their children because of this, it isn't right.I live in So Cal too. In one of the three cities that had home prices actually increase this year.
Over half of our parish is under 18. Even here it isn't an impossibility or a sentence to poverty.
Is that so? But your experience with this one family is relevant? Because they don't have a standard of living up to par with your expectations?Again, your personal experiences to the contrary are irrelevant. If even one family becomes unable to care for their children because of this, it isn't right.
Yes, yes it is. Though it's not one family. It's hundreds of families.Is that so? But your experience with this one family is relevant?
I sincerely doubt that their standard of living is up to par with anyone's expectations.Because they don't have a standard of living up to par with your expectations?
Cite?Yes, yes it is. Though it's not one family. It's hundreds of families.
I sincerely doubt that their standard of living is up to par with anyone's expectations.
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