Birth Control

[bshaw96]

This also reminds me of a story I once heard a preacher tell. A man lived in a town where there was a flash flood. The water began to creep up to his door and someone came by on their truck to take him to higher ground. He refused to go saying he had faith God would tkae care of him. The water continued to rise. It got to his door. This time, a boat came by and urged him to leave. Again, he refused saying he had faith God would take care of it. The man finally had to be rescued by a helicopter from the top of his roof because the water continued to rise. He questioned God about this and God told him he was right to have faith He would take care of him. Because he sent help 3 times. First time was the truck, second time the boat, and lastly the helicopter. I do not belittle the importance of faith in one's life. But God gives us common sense. He gives us doctors and medical advances and medication to prevent , treat, and cure disease. This does not take away from His power, it is just one way He manifests it. I had the sense to know I couldn't take care of 10 kids like my grandmother did so the pill worked well for us. If God has blessed you with the patience to raise 10 kids, then birth control probably wouldn't be for you. But I don't see it as not acting in faith by taking it. Again, JMO

 

[TwinCrier]

I was on birth control for years, and was never once convicted it was wrong. I see no problem with it at all. I don't know about all bc pills, but I know my pills prevented me from ovulation, so there was never fertilization. Im now on it to help prevent/control ovarian cysts which I have and has caused me awful pain and several trips to the ER. I think its up to every couple and God, but do not see it as wrong. If I don't want to get high blood pressure, I exercise and eat right. If I don't want skin cancer, I use sun screen. If I don't wanna die in a car wreck, I wear my seatbelt. I don't want lung cancer so I don't smoke. The list could go on and on. We were not prepared for children in the beginning of our marriage so we used birth control. I see that as no different. JMO.

I notice you seem to be comparing pregnancy to things that are dangerous and unhealthy. Is that how you view pregnancy?

 

[bshaw96]

"I notice you seem to be comparing pregnancy to things that are dangerous and unhealthy. Is that how you view pregnancy?"


Oh good grief! I guess if anyone should it would be me since I almost died twice having my son and daughter. No, I do not consider having children dangerous and unhealthy. It's a beautiful experience. When you're ready for it. I would die for my kids, during or after their birth. What I view as dangerous and unhealthy is having kids when you are not ready.

 

[bshaw96]

I became personally convicted after studying scripture that birth control is not God's will. If children are blessings from God, we should covet God's blessings, not try to avoid them until we feel WE are ready or WE have enough money. It seems some people have become convinced that not using birth control will force God to give them 20 children yet not obligate this same God to provide for all their needs as promised. I have been unable to rconcile birth control to the bible in any way.

Also, I went to God on this issue myself, and was NOT convicted it was wrong. Maybe he was telling YOU not to take birth control. But that conviction He gave you may not be what He gives another woman. I do not doubt what God told you, but that does not mean what He told me is not just as real.

 

[Organist]

I posted this before and I will post this again lest anyone think otherwise. One of the mechanisms by which the birth control pill works is to prevent the FERTILIZED EGG (ie - a very tiny person) from implanting. This is not the main mechanism employed, but it is one of the mechanisms. The definition of pregnant has morphed over the years from beginig at fertilization to begining at implantation so a doctor can, "truthfully" tell a patient that the pill always prevents a pregnancy. The BC pill is an abortofacient method of birth control.

I knew a woman who got pregnant while on the birth control pill. She, in fact, got pregnant twice, and both times delivered healthy babies. If it is God's will, it will happen.

 

[bshaw96]

"I knew a woman who got pregnant while on the birth control pill. She, in fact, got pregnant twice, and both times delivered healthy babies. If it is God's will, it will happen."


My sister has been on birth control for 3 years now. I currently babysit her 5 month old .

 

[Wild_Fan4Christ]

In case you didn't know, The BC pill is an abortifacient method of birth control. It is my belief that it is a sin to use the BC pill. That has been my Church's position on it ever since these pills came into existance along with its position on abortion.

abortifacient - adj : causing abortion n : a drug (or other chemical agent) that causes abortion.

I will break this down even further, split the word abortifacient in two and look at each word individually. I looked this up in the dictionary, so I'm not making this up.

abort -
a. To cause to terminate (a pregnancy) prematurely, especially before the fetus is viable.
b. To cause the expulsion of (an embryo or fetus) before it is viable.
c. To give premature birth to (an embryo or fetus).

...to bring forth premature or stillborn offspring
a : to induce the abortion of or give birth to prematurely b : to terminate the pregnancy before term.

...facient -

1. Causing; bringing about
2. Something that causes or brings about: abortifacient.

I think you need to keep in mind of What God's will is for you. Does the pill sound like something that is God's will?
I think most if not all would agree with me that abortion is wrong. But many of you may not know the facts about the pill that it too causes abortion. Would you think about using the pill if you knew it causes abortion?

I would recommend that everyone read the book "Life Giving Love" by Kimberly Hahn. You will be amazed at some of the stuff in her book. Those people here saying use the pill, might think twice before saying this again.</I>

 

[danclang]

I notice you seem to be comparing pregnancy to things that are dangerous and unhealthy. Is that how you view pregnancy?

God speaks to different people differently. Just because someone believe differently does not mean they are satanic worshippers or that you are not worshipping the same God. Just because Billy Graham was called to preach does not mean all Christians have to do exactly what Billy does. If you are called not to use BC then don't. God has a plans for you which are different from others. It might be a sin for you to use BC but it's not for my wife. Just like drinking is not a sin for me because I don't have a problem and I don't abuse it. For someone who has a addictive behavior and knows it, it's a sin to drink.

 

[TwinCrier]

"I notice you seem to be comparing pregnancy to things that are dangerous and unhealthy. Is that how you view pregnancy?"


Oh good grief! I guess if anyone should it would be me since I almost died twice having my son and daughter. No, I do not consider having children dangerous and unhealthy. It's a beautiful experience. When you're ready for it. I would die for my kids, during or after their birth. What I view as dangerous and unhealthy is having kids when you are not ready.

Why would it become dangerous and unhealthy to have children when you are not ready?

 

[TwinCrier]

God speaks to different people differently. Just because someone believe differently does not mean they are satanic worshippers or that you are not worshipping the same God. Just because Billy Graham was called to preach does not mean all Christians have to do exactly what Billy does. If you are called not to use BC then don't. God has a plans for you which are different from others. It might be a sin for you to use BC but it's not for my wife. Just like drinking is not a sin for me because I don't have a problem and I don't abuse it. For someone who has a addictive behavior and knows it, it's a sin to drink.

To requote myself: I notice you seem to be comparing pregnancy to things that are dangerous and unhealthy. Is that how you view pregnancy?
Now as for the rest, it is simply false to state that sin is relative or based on feeling. The story of Onan seems to make it clear that to marry and use your partner for sexual pleasure while avoiding the blessing of children is not smiled upon. This is a case where the church has jumped on the world's bandwagon of self pleasure over all else.

http://av1611.faithweb.com/catalog.html
Also, as Wild_Fan4Christ stated, many people are in the dark as to the side effects and actual risk of abortion in using some methods of BC.

 

[BT]

Closed for Moderator review

 

[GreenEyedLady]

I think you forgot to lock it BT!!

 

[RED that's ME]

For staff review

 

[ZooMom]

Re-opening for discussion. Remember the forum rules on debating.

 

[TwinCrier]

One more thought:
Birth control pills are made from pregnant horse pee.
(could not resist throwing that in)

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

There are numerous health risks associated with any type of hormonal contraception. I would never use the Pill, Depo-Provera, Norplant, Ortho-Evra, Nuvaring, or an IUD. There are so many health risks involved. Not to mention, hormonal contraceptives can cause a severe decrease (or loss altogether) of sex drive. You can gain weight. You are nauseous. Plus, there is no guarantee you won't get pregnant anyway. Why take that risk when there are other more natural and just as effective methods of postponing conception? As far as the issue of hormonal BC acting as an abortifacient, that is debatable depending on when you feel pregnancy begins - at conception or implantation. I lean towards the idea that they can act as an abortifacient.

Oh, and just to clear up a misconception: The RU-486 and the Morning After Pill are not the same thing. RU-486 is a type of medical abortion performed from the time you find out you're pregnant until the 8-10 week into the pregnancy. This drug is administered in two doses after implantation has already taken place. One drug, I believe, strips the soft lining of the uterus to release the amniotic sac. The other causes contractions to expel the unborn baby. The MAP is a huge dose of hormonal contraception that quickly sheds the lining of the uterus to prevent implantation if fertilization has already occured.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

No one has yet to answer the OP. The question is...................is a vasectomy and a tubal ligation going against scriptures and the will of God.
GEL

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

I don't believe tubal ligation or vasectomies are sinful, but that's just me painting with a broad brush. If a woman has been advised, by her doctor, to not have any more children for whatever medical reason that may be a hysterectomy would not be a wise option. A tubal ligation or a vasectomy for her husband may be necessary, in order for her to stay safe and healthy. If a couple says they want to have the surgery because they can't afford to have kids and still live in a luxurious home or keep their expensive car or live a certain lifestyle, then I would say the motives would be more sinful than the action itself.

 

[TwinCrier]

Obviously those who feel unnatural methods of birth control are wrong would most likely oppose surgical sterilization, and I imagine thise who have no problem with the use of drugs as BC would most likely not have a problem with surgical methods as well. There are far more risks and expense involved in tubal ligation as compared to a vascetomy. I think most people don't throughly investigate the method of BC they use.
http://www.tubalinfo.org

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

I don't *personally* oppose any type of method that postpones or eliminates the possibility of conception as long as:

1. It isn't done out of selfishness.
2. It doesn't cause a spontaneous abortion.

I don't think it's sinful to postpone conception if it's for health reasons or because it simply isn't possible to have any more children in terms of financial constraints.