Birth Control Pills

[chroNick]

For those of you who don't advocate abortion, I hope you don't use birth control pills. I researched birth control pills, and they are classified as abortifacient - meaning it directly causes abortion. Most of the time, it prevents conception, but sometimes after conception, it will trap the micro baby in the tubes causing it not able to grow and die out. Same goes with the shot, and IUD. These are just a form of modern day sorcery potions.

I'm sorry but I'm too lazy to post a web site that explain this, but you can easily find it if you dig hard enough.

 

[Trashionista]

For those of you who don't advocate abortion, I hope you don't use birth control pills. I researched birth control pills, and they are classified as abortifacient - meaning it directly causes abortion. Most of the time, it prevents conception, but sometimes after conception, it will trap the micro baby in the tubes causing it not able to grow and die out. Same goes with the shot, and IUD. These are just a form of modern day sorcery potions.

I'm sorry but I'm too lazy to post a web site that explain this, but you can easily find it if you dig hard enough.

Interesting.

Considering many women see the diaphragm, and the Pill to be quite liberating from the feminist point of view. Frankly, I have more in common with these women than the pro-choicers.

Its interesting you didn't rant about condoms. Isn't male sperm as sacred as an egg? It acts as a blockage for male sperm - not allowing fertilization. Personally, I don't see that as any different than the Pill or the patch.

And anyone who took Bio 101 would probably know how the Pill works. The Pill also does other things to stop pregnancy besides prevention of an embryo implanting itself on the uterine lining.

 

[chroNick]

Quirk - I wasn't trying to debate or talk about contraception persay, but rather if you don't support abortion, you shouldn't support the pill. The condom however prevents the sperm from reaching to the egg (not abortion). There is a different argument concerning this. Yes I don't think its right, but I wasn't talking about that.

 

[never_stop]

Interesting.

Considering many women see the diaphragm, and the Pill to be quite liberating from the feminist point of view. Frankly, I have more in common with these women than the pro-choicers.

Its interesting you didn't rant about condoms. Isn't male sperm as sacred as an egg? It acts as a blockage for male sperm - not allowing fertilization. Personally, I don't see that as any different than the Pill or the patch.

And anyone who took Bio 101 would probably know how the Pill works. The Pill also does other things to stop pregnancy besides prevention of an embryo implanting itself on the uterine lining.

Neither sperm or egg have life, it's not until they connect that a full set of human DNA forms.
I think the point is, if you use the pill or IUD there is a chance that at sometime you may conceive a child that will be expelled from the body without being given a chance to develop. If you believe life begins at conception, it would be consistent to oppose devices and drugs that cause or could cause abortion.

 

[Trashionista]

Every sperm is sacred?

The Pill also thickens mucus/discharge as well, preventing sperm from entering to begin with. It also acts as a barrier - much like condoms.

You can't condemn one, and condone the other.

Obviously, this is all from a pro-choicers, who is all for contraceptives.

 

[Ave Maria]

Ummm, the pill does not cause abortions! Yes, it can cause the fertilized ovum to expel from the body. However, this is not classified as an abortion! Pregnancy technically does not begin until the fertilized ovum implants in the uterus. The fertilized ovum is only rarely expelled from the body because of birth control pills and when it is expelled from the body, it happens before implantation!

 

[never_stop]

But obviously it fails since many women conceive while on the pill. The morning after pilll (aka emergency contraception) is nothing more than a mega dose birth control pill. If you aren't against abortion anyways it doesn't matter, but for those that would perfer to not have an abortion (even on accident) they have a RIGHT ro make an informed CHOICE about what they do to their body. Right?

 

[jad123]

For those of you who don't advocate abortion, I hope you don't use birth control pills. I researched birth control pills, and they are classified as abortifacient - meaning it directly causes abortion. Most of the time, it prevents conception, but sometimes after conception, it will trap the micro baby in the tubes causing it not able to grow and die out. Same goes with the shot, and IUD. These are just a form of modern day sorcery potions.

I'm sorry but I'm too lazy to post a web site that explain this, but you can easily find it if you dig hard enough.

You statement simply is not true. There are three primary types of birth control pills some of which do use a combination. The first type prevents ovulation, the second thickens the cervical mucus making it difficult for sperm to travel to the egg, and the third causes a thinning and shriveling the lining of the uterus to the point that it is unable or less able to facilitate the implantation of the newly fertilized egg. The first two types are not abortive but the third type is.

 

[never_stop]

The pill is an abortifacient and that effect may continue even after the pill is discontinues. Breakthrough ovulation is common because the healthy female body is designed to reproduce. The pill is actually pregnancy hormones from horse urine used to convince your ovaries that you are pregnant (which is why most women gain weight on the pill). Still, after more than a year of pregnancy the ovaries may not buy the trick any longer.

 

[jad123]

The pill is an abortifacient

This is not true. Not all pills cause abortions.

 

[never_stop]

This is not true. Not all pills cause abortions.

No not all pills, aspirin doesn't cause abortions, but all BIRTH CONTROL PILLS do.

Although preventing ovulation is the primary method though which the Pill attempts to prevent pregnancy, the extra estrogen and progesterone in your system also work to thicken your cervical mucus. This makes it more difficult for sperm to reach an egg. The Pill also causes the lining of the uterus to thin, possibly preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. Because it is not known how often the pill works in this manner, if at all, most health centers will not cite the thinning of the endometrial lining as a function of the pill.
Lots of good info in that little paper pamphlet thingy that comes with the birth control pills. Try reading it sometime, it's very interesting.

 

[jad123]

No not all pills, aspirin doesn't cause abortions, but all BIRTH CONTROL PILLS do.

Although preventing ovulation is the primary method though which the Pill attempts to prevent pregnancy, the extra estrogen and progesterone in your system also work to thicken your cervical mucus. This makes it more difficult for sperm to reach an egg. The Pill also causes the lining of the uterus to thin, possibly preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg. Because it is not known how often the pill works in this manner, if at all, most health centers will not cite the thinning of the endometrial lining as a function of the pill.
Lots of good info in that little paper pamphlet thingy that comes with the birth control pills. Try reading it sometime, it's very interesting.

Try reading the entire thread my friend. You quoted 3 types of birth control above which I already stated. I also stated that some birtch control pills use a combination of the 3 methods. Not all bc pills do...

 

[Trashionista]

The pill is an abortifacient and that effect may continue even after the pill is discontinues. Breakthrough ovulation is common because the healthy female body is designed to reproduce. The pill is actually pregnancy hormones from horse urine used to convince your ovaries that you are pregnant (which is why most women gain weight on the pill). Still, after more than a year of pregnancy the ovaries may not buy the trick any longer.

Is this sarcasm?

The Pill is usually man-made estrogen & progesterone.

As well as the infertility arguments after the Pill, that is completely qualitative. While 6 months after dropping the Pill is the average time by which the female body will be able to reproduce, thats not a yardstick. As some women can miss the Pill one day & end up pregnant.

Also, women can be on the Pill for years without getting pregnant - providing you're taking it correctly.

 

[sparassidae]

I agree with the OP that using a birth control pill that causes the uterine lining to thin (abortifacient) is inconsistent with an anti-abortion stance.

We only use NFP for that reason.

Also, Peacelover- it is your opinion that life begins at implantation. So for you there would be no problem using this type of birth control.

However, for anyone whose opinion is that life begins at conception, any method of birth control that prohibits implantation DOES cause an abortion according to their conscience.

 

[chroNick]

This is not true. Not all pills cause abortions.

Yes they do. All Birth contorl pills cause abortion. Look it up.

 

[Trashionista]

We only use NFP for that reason.

... and the NFP is a very unreliable method.

I'll take the simplicity of the Pill, with its 99% prevention rate [when used correctly] over that of the NFP.

 

[sparassidae]

... and the NFP is a very unreliable method.

I'll take the simplicity of the Pill, with its 99% prevention rate [when used correctly] over that of the NFP.

By NFP I don't mean the "rhythm" (avoid sex based on time of the month) method. That is extremely unreliable because not all women ovulate at the same time each month.

I mean the Fertility Awareness Method, Sympto-Thermal method, whatever you want to call it. Based on the symptoms of my body I know exactly (to within 12 hours) when I ovulate, so if we want to avoid pregnancy we avoid sex during those few days. Also makes it much easier to assist pregnancy (all under God's will of course)

And like I said, we believe life starts at conception, and we do not want an abortion (even accidentally) so we will not use a hormonal method like a combination pill that causes the uterine lining to thin.

That is after all what this thread is about

 

[never_stop]

Is this sarcasm?

The Pill is usually man-made estrogen & progesterone.

As well as the infertility arguments after the Pill, that is completely qualitative. While 6 months after dropping the Pill is the average time by which the female body will be able to reproduce, thats not a yardstick. As some women can miss the Pill one day & end up pregnant.

Also, women can be on the Pill for years without getting pregnant - providing you're taking it correctly.

What do you mean "man-made?" There is no hormone factory where they build estrogen, it is a natural product. Birth control pills are made by harvesting hormones from horse urine.

... and the NFP is a very unreliable method.

I'll take the simplicity of the Pill, with its 99% prevention rate [when used correctly] over that of the NFP.

NFP is very reliable. I've only heard people say that who don't actually know what it is. A woman can only conceive a few days each month. Why take a pill every day that alters your entire body when you can just abstain those days? http://www.ccli.org/

 

[chroNick]

... and the NFP is a very unreliable method.

I'll take the simplicity of the Pill, with its 99% prevention rate [when used correctly] over that of the NFP.

You are quite the catholic advocating the use of birth control pills.

 

[never_stop]

You are quite the catholic advocating the use of birth control pills.

Sadly not all Catholics are faithful to the teachings of the church. Pray a rosary for faithfulness to be restored.