Birth Control=Abortion?

[Dez]

Hi! I'm new to CF and thought I'd ask you all your views on something that's come up recently. I've always considered myself Non-Denominational and in the past few years I've really been leaning towards the conservative side in a lot of things. My husband and I have mostly used BC in the form of pills, patch or the shot. Recently I decided to research how exactly these work because of another post I remember seieing about people thinking that these forms of BC are the equivalant of abortion. Well what I found is that along with other things, they thin the liining of the uterus making it difficult for a possibly fertilized egg to implant. My feeling on this is that since I believe that life begins at conception(when the egg is fertilized), that these forms or BC are causing a very early abortion by not even allowing this earliest form of a human being to implant and essentially letting it be expelled out as if it were nothing. I've always been very anti-abortion believing that there is no reason that justify's performing an abortion. Now after looking into these forms of BC I've told my husband that I won't be using them. He's agreed to just use condoms but he doesn't know what his actual beliefs are as to if these other forms of BC are morally wrong. I was just wondering what everyone's opinions are on this topic? Thanks!

 

[CruciFixed]

I've heard some are abortive but others are safe just depending. I don't know which are but like you for now I am using condoms to be on the safe side until I research better.

I am sorry I haven't answered your question. I hope someone does come along and do that.

I know the shot for a fact can abort because a friend of mine got a shot without a pregnancy test and her baby was essentially aborted so I know thats one form.

 

[Secundulus]

Hi! I'm new to CF and thought I'd ask you all your views on something that's come up recently. I've always considered myself Non-Denominational and in the past few years I've really been leaning towards the conservative side in a lot of things. My husband and I have mostly used BC in the form of pills, patch or the shot. Recently I decided to research how exactly these work because of another post I remember seieing about people thinking that these forms of BC are the equivalant of abortion. Well what I found is that along with other things, they thin the liining of the uterus making it difficult for a possibly fertilized egg to implant. My feeling on this is that since I believe that life begins at conception(when the egg is fertilized), that these forms or BC are causing a very early abortion by not even allowing this earliest form of a human being to implant and essentially letting it be expelled out as if it were nothing. I've always been very anti-abortion believing that there is no reason that justify's performing an abortion. Now after looking into these forms of BC I've told my husband that I won't be using them. He's agreed to just use condoms but he doesn't know what his actual beliefs are as to if these other forms of BC are morally wrong. I was just wondering what everyone's opinions are on this topic? Thanks!

I would agree at you did the right thing in stopping use of those things. I would also agree with your conclusion that the intent of these drugs is to cause an early spontaneous abortion.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

that's why they are called 'abortifacients' - –adjective 1.causing abortion.
not 'contraception' - Any practice that serves to prevent conception (The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote) during sexual activity.

 

[desmalia]

Hi! I'm new to CF and thought I'd ask you all your views on something that's come up recently. I've always considered myself Non-Denominational and in the past few years I've really been leaning towards the conservative side in a lot of things. My husband and I have mostly used BC in the form of pills, patch or the shot. Recently I decided to research how exactly these work because of another post I remember seieing about people thinking that these forms of BC are the equivalent of abortion. Well what I found is that along with other things, they thin the lining of the uterus making it difficult for a possibly fertilized egg to implant. My feeling on this is that since I believe that life begins at conception(when the egg is fertilized), that these forms or BC are causing a very early abortion by not even allowing this earliest form of a human being to implant and essentially letting it be expelled out as if it were nothing. I've always been very anti-abortion believing that there is no reason that justify's performing an abortion. Now after looking into these forms of BC I've told my husband that I won't be using them. He's agreed to just use condoms but he doesn't know what his actual beliefs are as to if these other forms of BC are morally wrong. I was just wondering what everyone's opinions are on this topic? Thanks!

Good for you for looking into this. I wish more women would.
I used the shot (Depo Provera) for a number of years for medical reasons and it ruined my health, so that forced me to research it. Thankfully I was single when I used it. But I was still horrified to find out how it works as birth control. And I am so thankful that I was single while I was on it. The thing you want to avoid is Progestin. That is the synthetic hormone that causes abortion. It's the only ingredient in the shot, and one of the ingredients in most birth control pills now. Estrogen pills stop ovulation, but do not cause thinning of the uterus lining. So if you can find any birth control pills that do not include Progestin, those should be OK to use. But they're hard to find these days. Keep in mind that some doctors mistakenly call Progestin "Progesterone", which is a natural hormone the female body uses during pregnancy. But Progesterone is never included in birth control pills. It is in fact Progestin, and it's nasty, nasty stuff. Also, please be aware that the patch and IUD's also can cause abortion, so they are best avoided. Condoms and NFP are your best option if you're hoping to have children in the future, but not quite yet.

I'm so glad that your husband has agreed to follow your lead on this even if he's not researched it quite as much. He'll be glad he did.

 

[Tenebrae]

I guess it could be considered to be that.

I use the depo to regulate hormone swings, without it I have some major mood swings, and depo is the only thing that works.

When I was raped almost four years ago, I used the emergency contraception pill to ensure that I wouldnt end up pregnant. Personally I have a serious issue with the idea of bringing a child into the world that I could not give the best possible start too and especially under those conditions.

I have less of an issue with stopping the development of a fertilised egg that is just beginning cellular mitosis than the forcible removal of a developing foetus.

That said, this is not an issue for me at the moment, I'm single and celibate. In the very unlikely hood that I meet a guy I want to marry I do not want to have children. We have some really dodgy genes on my dads side, and as far as I am concerned they end with me and I would have a serious ethical issue with allowing those to be passed onto an innocent child.


If I could have my tubes tied or a hystorectomy would do so happily, unfortunately there is no way I can get this done in the public system because I have never had kids. If I'd had five kids and had them all removed from me for being a crap mother I could get a government funded operation easy as.

Ironic really

 

[Rhamiel]

sounds like if it stops a fertilized egg from implanting then it is a form of abortion.

 

[RedTulipMom]

Yep, the pill is an abortificacient and can cause early abortion. Actually i am against all forms of birth control except natural (NFP) like all christians were before 1930, but thats for another thread.

 

[Nadiine]

Hi! I'm new to CF and thought I'd ask you all your views on something that's come up recently. I've always considered myself Non-Denominational and in the past few years I've really been leaning towards the conservative side in a lot of things. My husband and I have mostly used BC in the form of pills, patch or the shot. Recently I decided to research how exactly these work because of another post I remember seieing about people thinking that these forms of BC are the equivalant of abortion. Well what I found is that along with other things, they thin the liining of the uterus making it difficult for a possibly fertilized egg to implant. My feeling on this is that since I believe that life begins at conception(when the egg is fertilized), that these forms or BC are causing a very early abortion by not even allowing this earliest form of a human being to implant and essentially letting it be expelled out as if it were nothing. I've always been very anti-abortion believing that there is no reason that justify's performing an abortion. Now after looking into these forms of BC I've told my husband that I won't be using them. He's agreed to just use condoms but he doesn't know what his actual beliefs are as to if these other forms of BC are morally wrong. I was just wondering what everyone's opinions are on this topic? Thanks!

First of all, Welcome!
I'm Non Denom. too and very conservative - there's alot of conservative
ND's.

Anyways, I think there will be alot of opinion about this topic - and it
might have to do with what denominations different Christians are.

To me, I don't believe that preventing pregnancy is wrong at all.
But the method used is most important and shouldn't include abortion in any way. Whatever BC forms are proven to include a type of abortion, I'd have to be against them. (like the morning after pill, etc.)

I'm also not against men having a little "operation" either which they
say is reversible if he changes his mind later.
=)

 

[MaidforHim]

I did not realize that these products worked by not allowing a fertilized egg to implant. Knowing that I would agree with you it is the equivalent of an abortion. A life is a life now matter what stage it is at.

There are also other reasons to avoid these products, in some women they can irreversibly alter or damage your reproductive abilities and hormones production. I have personally experienced this and it's been a long road, 17 years, to almost normal. They don't affect everyone the same way and there was no way to tell while I was taking them that they would have affected me so much - If I could do it all over again I would never have taken them. Knowing how they work just adds even more reasons not to use them in my mind.

God bless you for having the courage to make this wise decision.

 

[Nadiine]

I did not realize that these products worked by not allowing a fertilized egg to implant. Knowing that I would agree with you it is the equivalent of an abortion. A life is a life now matter what stage it is at.

There are also other reasons to avoid these products, in some women they can irreversibly alter or damage your reproductive abilities and hormones production. I have personally experienced this and it's been a long road, 17 years, to almost normal. They don't affect everyone the same way and there was no way to tell while I was taking them that they would have affected me so much - If I could do it all over again I would never have taken them. Knowing how they work just adds even more reasons not to use them in my mind.

God bless you for having the courage to make this wise decision.

I've heard gynocologists warning against long term Pill usage too -
that it does harm women who take it for long periods of time.

& I didn't know that it was an abortive method either.

 

[desmalia]

I know someone who was raped recently and she took the morning after pill in her rape kit. She is against abortion, and my heart breaks for her because I know one of these days she's going to have to deal with the decision she made, in addition to trying to recover from the attack.

I've heard gynocologists warning against long term Pill usage too -
that it does harm women who take it for long periods of time.

& I didn't know that it was an abortive method either.

The abortive part is like a backup measure in case ovulation is not stopped. In most cases ovulation stops, so there is no problem. But it's no guarantee, and personally I could not live with taking that chance every month.

I know of dozens of women who became infertile after using the depo shot. Even after just one use. That's just one of the many side effects of it. Many more side effects are actually life threatening, or at best, seriously compromise quality of life. I could never ever recommend that drug now. I haven't heard of quite as many who have had that after using the pill, but it still is a very real and serious risk.

 

[Dez]

Wow! I can't believe the response. I'm really suprised at the amount of people who are in the same boat as me. I thought I was really the extreme in my thinking but I guess not. Good to know! Thank you everyone for your replies. As far as some forms of BC not being medically healthy for a person, I'm just starting to do some research into that. My grandmother actually mentioned that not to long ago and I told her I wasn't taking any because of my moral beliefs and it in some cases causing early abortions. She didn't really have a stance on that but was happy, for my health, that I wasn't taking it.

I think I'm going to like it here....

 

[Rhamiel]

Dez

I thought I was really the extreme in my thinking but I guess not.

lol you are not extreme, the Catholic Church does not allow any form of BC, even condoms, you are an aboslute moderate by comparison

 

[Nadiine]

Wow! I can't believe the response. I'm really suprised at the amount of people who are in the same boat as me. I thought I was really the extreme in my thinking but I guess not. Good to know! Thank you everyone for your replies. As far as some forms of BC not being medically healthy for a person, I'm just starting to do some research into that. My grandmother actually mentioned that not to long ago and I told her I wasn't taking any because of my moral beliefs and it in some cases causing early abortions. She didn't really have a stance on that but was happy, for my health, that I wasn't taking it.

I think I'm going to like it here....

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

I did not realize that these products worked by not allowing a fertilized egg to implant. Knowing that I would agree with you it is the equivalent of an abortion. A life is a life now matter what stage it is at.

There are also other reasons to avoid these products, in some women they can irreversibly alter or damage your reproductive abilities and hormones production. I have personally experienced this and it's been a long road, 17 years, to almost normal. They don't affect everyone the same way and there was no way to tell while I was taking them that they would have affected me so much - If I could do it all over again I would never have taken them. Knowing how they work just adds even more reasons not to use them in my mind.

God bless you for having the courage to make this wise decision.

*hugs* MaidforHim, I also had fertility issues due at least in part (I believe - surprise surprise no doctor can agree with me for sure :rollseyes: ) to long term use of the pill when I was young... I also didn't realise, or understand, or care *shame* about the abortifacient factor until I was finished with them anyway. I would never ever recommend the pill to anyone - especially young girls...
The Lord has blessed us with children despite the fertility issues, but I am thus far not physically healed from using the pill for 4 years straight from ages 14-18... I am glad that you are almost healed!

 

[hazeleyes80]

sounds like if it stops a fertilized egg from implanting then it is a form of abortion.

I've heard of some women becoming pregnant on the pill, but generally, it makes the uterine lining to inhospitable (thin) for an embryo to attach (according to the research I had done).

 

[Nadiine]

*hugs* MaidforHim, I also had fertility issues due at least in part (I believe - surprise surprise no doctor can agree with me for sure :rollseyes: ) to long term use of the pill when I was young... I also didn't realise, or understand, or care *shame* about the abortifacient factor until I was finished with them anyway. I would never ever recommend the pill to anyone - especially young girls...
The Lord has blessed us with children despite the fertility issues, but I am thus far not physically healed from using the pill for 4 years straight from ages 14-18... I am glad that you are almost healed!

oh my, only 4 yrs? Most women I know are at least 8+ years on them

hugs to you both

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

oh my, only 4 yrs? Most women I know are at least 8+ years on them

hugs to you both

yes, but my age comes into play too... I believe that at 14 my body was not fully developed and regulated hormone wise, and taking the pill at this crucial time really messed around with the hormones. As such 10 years later (24) my hormones are still very out of wack causing a lot of fertility problems (my body basically doesn't know how to ovulate thanks to 4 years straight of hormonally inhibiting it)... if that makes sense...

Thanks for the hugs! I have two beautiful children by the grace of God, they truly are answers to prayer and miracles in my life... I just have to keep reminding myself of that some days

 

[Nadiine]

yes, but my age comes into play too... I believe that at 14 my body was not fully developed and regulated hormone wise, and taking the pill at this crucial time really messed around with the hormones. As such 10 years later (24) my hormones are still very out of wack causing a lot of fertility problems (my body basically doesn't know how to ovulate thanks to 4 years straight of hormonally inhibiting it)... if that makes sense...

Thanks for the hugs! I have two beautiful children by the grace of God, they truly are answers to prayer and miracles in my life... I just have to keep reminding myself of that some days

I know they're a blessing from God - just like marriage is... but it
sure doesn't mean it's always a bed of roses huh? lol

I see what you mean about the age issue - that makes alot of
sense
You know, I think they need to make pills for men & force them to mess up their body chemistry.