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<blockquote data-quote="harold800" data-source="post: 1141703" data-attributes="member: 13843"><p>My first impulse is to just ignore you. And then I looked at your profile and see myself at 16 in my First Baptist Church, believing in Jesus as my personal savior, Baptised and active in the church, but totally ignorant of how the message of Jesus relates to the real world here and now. However I didn't know I was ignorant. I thought I was just about the smartest thing to come down the pike and so did all my girl friends. I had my own car and when school was out, it filled up with girls. I was their chauefer and I loved it. I got all the gossip and a lot of it was shocking. I liked having this audience for my dreams and visions. And they liked hearing about them. A friend of the family had gone to Peru and brought me back a pair of brass llamas. Little did I know that one day I would be living in the middle of the Mayan Kingdom trying to figure out how to witness to them about my faith in Jesus Christ. </p><p> </p><p>So, to answer your question, Yes! Biodynamic Agriculture is something that is similar to sustainable agriculture, but it is, at the same time very different.</p><p> </p><p>A good way to think about it is to compare it to what you have probably seen on a farm here in this country. Row after row of cabbage, or corn or wheat, all the same kind of plant growing together because in our mechanized society, it is tractors and other machines that do all the work of planting, cultivating, watering, fertilizing with men's chemical formulas, and harvesting. </p><p> </p><p>There are no machines allowed in biodynamic farming. Not even trucks. The plants don't grow in rows but in small communities, like churches, a community within a community. And not one kind of plant, but several like my church has mechanics, doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. And, many of them are teachers in the various church activities, interpreting the Word of God. </p><p> </p><p>Now Baptists have one word that has connected them since the time of Jesus. Baptists are not Protestants. They have a connection that can be traced back since the beginning of Christianity. The connection is not a teaching authority, a tradition or a compendium of interpretations. Rather it is one concept: The Life of the Flesh is in the Blood. It is this basic concept that connects every Southern Baptist and has connected the Baptist Faith since it was first proposed in the aftermath of the Crucifixion of Jesus. </p><p> </p><p>In 1992, when I left all my power and worldly possessions and went on faith to teach the Mayan Indians how to prevent disease, little did I know that it was going to be a conversion experience for me, not from my Baptist Belief, but from my scientific belief. In fact, what every Guatemala child does each morning is to pledge allegiance to the flag and swear allegiance by the Blood of the Soil. When it dawned on me that this was the connection, I leaped for Joy. They believe in the idea that the soil has a blood supply. </p><p> </p><p>At first, when I began to teach this new way of thinking about life and living systems through agriculture, I didn't realize how God was going to take all those Bible verses that I had learned and bring them into harmony with my scientific thinking or vice versa. It was really my science belief system that changed and came into agreement with my soul belief system. And, in that same year that I left God gave me a book, Life Itself, by a Jewish Scientist. It has become like a Bible for many who are trying to understand how we as humans are made. It rejects the comparative model that all our biological sciences are based on, including agriculture. That model which you use, unconsciously, is that of a machine. All the biological sciences, from agriculture to medicine are based on the idea that we can understand the function of living systems like we understand the function of machines. Not so. Machines are organized from outside in. We are self-organizing. If you look at many of the answers you have learned to give to questions, like, how do I save my teeth or what do I do to get rid of this headache, you will be able to see just how you have fallen into this outside-in trap. Something outside of you made you, formed you, shaped you, and something outside of you will be your salvation. This is simply not so. When you are baptized, the Holy Spirit comes to live within you. He is the Spirit of Truth. Jesus was born to give us an example. He came to testify to the truth. John 18:37. He saves us by giving us the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now, I have to admit, my Baptist teachers did not teach me how to relate to The HOly Spirit. But when I was nine years old, I can remember getting down on my knees and asking God to do to me what He had done to Solomon. I wanted wisdom and knowledge to help God's people. I expected it to be dumped on me from outside like a bucket of water being poured over my head. But it hasn't been like that. This Spirit of God that lives in me has continued to give me choices. I could accept world applause and riches, or I could testify to the Truth that the Spirit of Truth revealed to me and convicted me offering me the choice between not offending the sons and daughters of the father of lies. or of challenging them. I have repeatedly chosen to challenge them and God has repeatedly given me more truth. It is as if when I invest the little truth that He reveals at the risk of my life, He gives me more. And although I began my professional life as a dentist, God made me specialize in Health Education for the Poor. Teeth were just a really good example of the Lie that comes out of the mouth of the World Teaching Authority. And of Agricultural authorities. Sustainable Agriculture is a little bit of truth wrapped up in a lie. It's like the dental message, clean your teeth, but then when they tell you how to do it, they lie. </p><p> </p><p>Biodynamic means, Living (bio) and Changing(dynamic). And here is where another part of my thinking had to be changed and dentistry gave me the opportunity to see the two kinds of change. One, which most of us believe in, is like braces. We force your teeth to line up like we believe they should be. And the result is a disaster. I did it to three of my first children and then I had to figure out what to do to remedy the situation. </p><p> </p><p>Well, I've taken much of your time. Yes and no, biodynamic agriculture is truth, while sustainable agriculture is a little bit of truth wrapped in a lie. </p><p> </p><p>One of the truths that I have learned is that we don't learn alone. A learning group of four is the idea way to learn. Jesus tells us to go into the world and teach the truth. The truth is a behavioral guidance word for now problem-solving. We are meant to be guides for angels and saints, and our role playing begins here on this earth. Jesus saves, but through His word. And His word is applicable to now problems. It was that strong Baptist drilling of Scripture into my being, my heart and mind, that has allowed me to recognize the truth in science. Most of it is a lie. And is based on a lie, because the people who teach it and preach it have never tried to reconcile their teaching to The Word of God. I have done that, Praise God! And this is what I call The Cross. My healing philsophy is the horizontal arm. My healing theology is the vertical arm. They have been reconciled. They are coincident, not paralell. They are in agreement, not separate. There is so much I would like to share with you and others like you who are such victims of the blindness of your guides, but I have been met with almost total rejection on this forum, partly because the guidance that I see coming out of America is such a lie and people who call themselves Christian are not. Thy Kindom come on Earth as it is in Heaven. Truth reigns in Heaven. The Lie reigns on this Earth. And until young people like yourself get the message that this life is not a "passing through" place, but a place to risk testifying to the truth just as Jesus did, then America is lost. I know the frustration of Jesus as He had to deal with a people whose anticipation of His coming was so misquided. Not by force will He reign, but by choice. And if we do not offer the choice, who will? The real war is not the Iraque War. It is a Spiritual War and the enemy is doing his best to supplant the Word of God on the Altar of the Poor, the Imprisoned, the widows and orphans and little children of the world. Stop! Get excited. This is a War and you can be a real soldier in it, but give up the idea that you will gain world applause and riches for taking this path. You will not But you will know who you are and what life is all about and you will have a choice. Form your group of four. It will prepare you for War and you will learn how to relate to The Holy Spirit living within you. "And they shall all be taught by God." You are a potential Word of Truth but man do you have some major obstacles to overcome. And, I wish you the best at overcoming the Liar. Love, Pat</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="harold800, post: 1141703, member: 13843"] My first impulse is to just ignore you. And then I looked at your profile and see myself at 16 in my First Baptist Church, believing in Jesus as my personal savior, Baptised and active in the church, but totally ignorant of how the message of Jesus relates to the real world here and now. However I didn't know I was ignorant. I thought I was just about the smartest thing to come down the pike and so did all my girl friends. I had my own car and when school was out, it filled up with girls. I was their chauefer and I loved it. I got all the gossip and a lot of it was shocking. I liked having this audience for my dreams and visions. And they liked hearing about them. A friend of the family had gone to Peru and brought me back a pair of brass llamas. Little did I know that one day I would be living in the middle of the Mayan Kingdom trying to figure out how to witness to them about my faith in Jesus Christ. So, to answer your question, Yes! Biodynamic Agriculture is something that is similar to sustainable agriculture, but it is, at the same time very different. A good way to think about it is to compare it to what you have probably seen on a farm here in this country. Row after row of cabbage, or corn or wheat, all the same kind of plant growing together because in our mechanized society, it is tractors and other machines that do all the work of planting, cultivating, watering, fertilizing with men's chemical formulas, and harvesting. There are no machines allowed in biodynamic farming. Not even trucks. The plants don't grow in rows but in small communities, like churches, a community within a community. And not one kind of plant, but several like my church has mechanics, doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. And, many of them are teachers in the various church activities, interpreting the Word of God. Now Baptists have one word that has connected them since the time of Jesus. Baptists are not Protestants. They have a connection that can be traced back since the beginning of Christianity. The connection is not a teaching authority, a tradition or a compendium of interpretations. Rather it is one concept: The Life of the Flesh is in the Blood. It is this basic concept that connects every Southern Baptist and has connected the Baptist Faith since it was first proposed in the aftermath of the Crucifixion of Jesus. In 1992, when I left all my power and worldly possessions and went on faith to teach the Mayan Indians how to prevent disease, little did I know that it was going to be a conversion experience for me, not from my Baptist Belief, but from my scientific belief. In fact, what every Guatemala child does each morning is to pledge allegiance to the flag and swear allegiance by the Blood of the Soil. When it dawned on me that this was the connection, I leaped for Joy. They believe in the idea that the soil has a blood supply. At first, when I began to teach this new way of thinking about life and living systems through agriculture, I didn't realize how God was going to take all those Bible verses that I had learned and bring them into harmony with my scientific thinking or vice versa. It was really my science belief system that changed and came into agreement with my soul belief system. And, in that same year that I left God gave me a book, Life Itself, by a Jewish Scientist. It has become like a Bible for many who are trying to understand how we as humans are made. It rejects the comparative model that all our biological sciences are based on, including agriculture. That model which you use, unconsciously, is that of a machine. All the biological sciences, from agriculture to medicine are based on the idea that we can understand the function of living systems like we understand the function of machines. Not so. Machines are organized from outside in. We are self-organizing. If you look at many of the answers you have learned to give to questions, like, how do I save my teeth or what do I do to get rid of this headache, you will be able to see just how you have fallen into this outside-in trap. Something outside of you made you, formed you, shaped you, and something outside of you will be your salvation. This is simply not so. When you are baptized, the Holy Spirit comes to live within you. He is the Spirit of Truth. Jesus was born to give us an example. He came to testify to the truth. John 18:37. He saves us by giving us the gift of the Holy Spirit. Now, I have to admit, my Baptist teachers did not teach me how to relate to The HOly Spirit. But when I was nine years old, I can remember getting down on my knees and asking God to do to me what He had done to Solomon. I wanted wisdom and knowledge to help God's people. I expected it to be dumped on me from outside like a bucket of water being poured over my head. But it hasn't been like that. This Spirit of God that lives in me has continued to give me choices. I could accept world applause and riches, or I could testify to the Truth that the Spirit of Truth revealed to me and convicted me offering me the choice between not offending the sons and daughters of the father of lies. or of challenging them. I have repeatedly chosen to challenge them and God has repeatedly given me more truth. It is as if when I invest the little truth that He reveals at the risk of my life, He gives me more. And although I began my professional life as a dentist, God made me specialize in Health Education for the Poor. Teeth were just a really good example of the Lie that comes out of the mouth of the World Teaching Authority. And of Agricultural authorities. Sustainable Agriculture is a little bit of truth wrapped up in a lie. It's like the dental message, clean your teeth, but then when they tell you how to do it, they lie. Biodynamic means, Living (bio) and Changing(dynamic). And here is where another part of my thinking had to be changed and dentistry gave me the opportunity to see the two kinds of change. One, which most of us believe in, is like braces. We force your teeth to line up like we believe they should be. And the result is a disaster. I did it to three of my first children and then I had to figure out what to do to remedy the situation. Well, I've taken much of your time. Yes and no, biodynamic agriculture is truth, while sustainable agriculture is a little bit of truth wrapped in a lie. One of the truths that I have learned is that we don't learn alone. A learning group of four is the idea way to learn. Jesus tells us to go into the world and teach the truth. The truth is a behavioral guidance word for now problem-solving. We are meant to be guides for angels and saints, and our role playing begins here on this earth. Jesus saves, but through His word. And His word is applicable to now problems. It was that strong Baptist drilling of Scripture into my being, my heart and mind, that has allowed me to recognize the truth in science. Most of it is a lie. And is based on a lie, because the people who teach it and preach it have never tried to reconcile their teaching to The Word of God. I have done that, Praise God! And this is what I call The Cross. My healing philsophy is the horizontal arm. My healing theology is the vertical arm. They have been reconciled. They are coincident, not paralell. They are in agreement, not separate. There is so much I would like to share with you and others like you who are such victims of the blindness of your guides, but I have been met with almost total rejection on this forum, partly because the guidance that I see coming out of America is such a lie and people who call themselves Christian are not. Thy Kindom come on Earth as it is in Heaven. Truth reigns in Heaven. The Lie reigns on this Earth. And until young people like yourself get the message that this life is not a "passing through" place, but a place to risk testifying to the truth just as Jesus did, then America is lost. I know the frustration of Jesus as He had to deal with a people whose anticipation of His coming was so misquided. Not by force will He reign, but by choice. And if we do not offer the choice, who will? The real war is not the Iraque War. It is a Spiritual War and the enemy is doing his best to supplant the Word of God on the Altar of the Poor, the Imprisoned, the widows and orphans and little children of the world. Stop! Get excited. This is a War and you can be a real soldier in it, but give up the idea that you will gain world applause and riches for taking this path. You will not But you will know who you are and what life is all about and you will have a choice. Form your group of four. It will prepare you for War and you will learn how to relate to The Holy Spirit living within you. "And they shall all be taught by God." You are a potential Word of Truth but man do you have some major obstacles to overcome. And, I wish you the best at overcoming the Liar. Love, Pat [/QUOTE]
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