Bill Maher Warns Democrats Are Headed for 2022 Defeat Because ‘Nobody Likes a Snob’

[bekkilyn]

Bernie....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-as-black-lives-matter-activists-invade-stage

I can't forget that. I would have voted for him had he got the nomination and I hadn't seen this happen....

But how? How do you vote for a guy who literally gets pushed aside for some activists. Bernie Sanders spent a long time serving the public, it was his moment, and a couple of activists who got angry literally shoved him out the way....for a cause they picked up a year ago.

It's a harsh thing to judge a guy on...he's old. He probably figured that was the safe play.

Fundamentally though, when push comes to shove, he looks like a pushover to me. He talks big, but I'm inclined to believe that when facing a tough choice....he plays safe.

Edit- also...I don't vote lol.

In hindsight, it probably would have been just as well for him had he pushed back on the activists considering that they still roasted him about not being in touch with black voters. He went out of his way to give them space, and not just at that moment, and yet they and the media were all against him. I believe CNN even took down a poll that showed him leading and then replaced it with a different one that displayed the narrative they wanted. The establishment wanted Hillary to win so the media went out of their way to make Bernie look bad, give him no media attention, would bad mouth him at every opportunity hoping he would drop out of the race, and make him seem out of touch with everyone besides young white male "Bernie Bros" that the media and democratic establishment would blame for the reason why Trump won.

I don't always agree with Bernie on all of the politics, but he was still my number one candidate because I believe that he is quite ethical and sincere by comparison to many other politicians, and also he's extremely persistent in his primary focus based on his voting record. He seems far less likely to flip flop on issues than other politicians. He's still to this day creating videos and making speeches in various places about the same things that were important to him back before 2016. They come up in my YouTube feed all the time.

My biggest concern with him now if he were to run again is how he would handle the "woke" stuff, which is a concern I have right now for everyone on the left. I have doubts he'll run again though due to age though, so he's likely out of the running in my consideration for any upcoming elections, which is probably good because I don't want to *not* like him.

As it is currently, I'm likely voting more conservative in 2022 considering the current environment. I couldn't stand Trump, but in some ways, I find myself missing him lol.

 

[Ana the Ist]

In hindsight, it probably would have been just as well for him had he pushed back on the activists considering that they still roasted him about not being in touch with black voters. He went out of his way to give them space, and not just at that moment, and yet they and the media were all against him. I believe CNN even took down a poll that showed him leading and then replaced it with a different one that displayed the narrative they wanted. The establishment wanted Hillary to win so the media went out of their way to make Bernie look bad, give him no media attention, would bad mouth him at every opportunity hoping he would drop out of the race, and make him seem out of touch with everyone besides young white male "Bernie Bros" that the media and democratic establishment would blame for the reason why Trump won.

That's a lot of coordination to manipulate a vote they can't possibly control.

Have you considered this might be a conspiracy theory?

I don't always agree with Bernie on all of the politics, but he was still my number one candidate because I believe that he is quite ethical and sincere by comparison to many other politicians, and also he's extremely persistent in his primary focus based on his voting record. He seems far less likely to flip flop on issues than other politicians. He's still to this day creating videos and making speeches in various places about the same things that were important to him back before 2016. They come up in my YouTube feed all the time.

I just liked his blatant misogyny. This man waited until Hillary Clinton ran....then angrily walked up to the media to announce his campaign.

This guy really didn't want a female president. I can't tell you a single thing about his politics....but I like the kid's moxy.

My biggest concern with him now if he were to run again is how he would handle the "woke" stuff, which is a concern I have right now for everyone on the left. I have doubts he'll run again though due to age though, so he's likely out of the running in my consideration for any upcoming elections, which is probably good because I don't want to *not* like him.

As it is currently, I'm likely voting more conservative in 2022 considering the current environment. I couldn't stand Trump, but in some ways, I find myself missing him lol.

Run again? For what? A coffin?

Isn't he reaching triple digits?

 

[RDKirk]

Sure, alot of real CRT is a college-level class. Most primary education has to focus on a "consensus narrative" of history, and that's where the battleground lies. So-called "CRT proponents" just want to teach about the reality of slavery and its consequences in an honest way, which isn't a thing in every US state, unfortunately.

When I see references to CRT by teachers and by the NEA, they always say "CRT"...they never say fully "Critical Race Theory."

It occurs to me that some proportion--perhaps a major proportion--of K-12 teachers may have confused Culturally Relevant Teaching (yes, that's a thing, also commonly called CRT, that's been in the classrooms for several years) with Critical Race Theory.

 

[bekkilyn]

That's a lot of coordination to manipulate a vote they can't possibly control.

Have you considered this might be a conspiracy theory?

It's possible, but they really, really, really wanted to coronate Hillary!

I just liked his blatant misogyny. This man waited until Hillary Clinton ran....then angrily walked up to the media to announce his campaign.

This guy really didn't want a female president. I can't tell you a single thing about his politics....but I like the kid's moxy.

There was a lot going on in the background. His supporters were originally trying to get Elizabeth Warren to run and she kept saying no, so they focused on Bernie who finally said he would run if he got enough donations to fund his campaign because he didn't want big corporate donations, so when that happened (with an average donation of $27) he followed through. The timing did seem pretty good though!

Run again? For what? A coffin?

Isn't he reaching triple digits?

LOL he's in his 80's. You have to give him credit though. He has the energy of a lot of younger people combined!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure, alot of real CRT is a college-level class. Most primary education has to focus on a "consensus narrative" of history, and that's where the battleground lies. So-called "CRT proponents" just want to teach about the reality of slavery and its consequences in an honest way, which isn't a thing in every US state, unfortunately.

Do you really think that?

What exactly is the "reality of slavery and it's consequences" in an honest way?

When polled, parents don't seem to disagree about this very much. They want an accurate telling of history.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's possible, but they really, really, really wanted to coronate Hillary!

It was weird right? At first I just wondered if they were shoving Bernie out there so she wasn't unopposed.

There was a lot going on in the background. His supporters were originally trying to get Elizabeth Warren to run and she kept saying no, so they focused on Bernie who finally said he would run if he got enough donations to fund his campaign because he didn't want big corporate donations, so when that happened (with an average donation of $27) he followed through. The timing did seem pretty good though!

I don't vote. I don't know what the candidates think. I don't trust their platforms.

LOL he's in his 80's. You have to give him credit though. He has the energy of a lot of younger people combined!

Is he a social Democrat or Democratic socialist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

When I see references to CRT by teachers and by the NEA, they always say "CRT"...they never say fully "Critical Race Theory."

It occurs to me that some proportion--perhaps a major proportion--of K-12 teachers may have confused Culturally Relevant Teaching (yes, that's a thing, also commonly called CRT, that's been in the classrooms for several years) with Critical Race Theory.

Wanna hear something funny?

If you want to drill down on what exactly is "Culturally Responsive/Relevant Teaching"...

You can. It's funny, I promise.

I'll spare you the time....

Culturally relevant teaching - Wikipedia

"Culturally relevant teaching was made popular by Dr. Gloria Ladson-Billings in the early 1990s.[1] The term she created was defined as one "that empowers students to maintain cultural integrity, while succeeding academically".

Who is this Gloria Ladson-Billings?

Gloria Ladson-Billings - Wikipedia

Ladson-Billings is known for her work in the fields of culturally relevant pedagogyand critical race theory.

She's a critical race theorist who built a teaching theory on Critical Race Theory.

If you're thinking some parents are confused....they aren't.

If teachers are actually teaching something that they don't understand, perhaps they shouldn't teach it.

 

[bekkilyn]

It was weird right? At first I just wondered if they were shoving Bernie out there so she wasn't unopposed.

His running had nothing whatsoever to do with the Democrats. He was an Independent who changed to Democrat just to run for President and a lot of Democrats were really ticked off about it, which I have to say I enjoyed. Many of Bernie's supporters switched to being Democrats so that they could vote for him in their state's primaries, but since they weren't supporting Hillary, many Democrats were ticked off about them too, which was also fun.

And then they were really ticked off when after he stopped campaigning, he switched right back to Independent, and they were all going nuts talking about how the rules needed to change to prevent him or anyone else who wasn't "loyal" to the Democratic party from running as a Democrat.

The same people all went nuts all over again when he ran again against Biden (and the others in the primary).

He really didn't like corporate Democrats and wanted to get big money out of politics, so he would stay in the race campaigning his platform long after he already lost, which upset them again and again, and they consider him "not a real Democrat" even though he largely votes with the Democrats on a number of issues.

There will probably never be another Bernie lol

I don't vote. I don't know what the candidates think. I don't trust their platforms.

One thing I really liked and appreciated about Bernie is he seemed pretty sincere based on the history of his voting record as a senator. He also had high approval ratings in his state of Vermont from both parties as well as independents. Liberals from out of state had issues with him because he wasn't completely anti-gun and conservatives got stuck on the whole socialist thing, even though he was very supportive of small businesses and regulated capitalism.

Is he a social Democrat or Democratic socialist?

He had a stint as part of his local socialist party as a very young man, but they kicked him out because he wasn't socialist enough. He's definitely more Democratic socialist.

 

[Ana the Ist]

His running had nothing whatsoever to do with the Democrats. He was an Independent who changed to Democrat just to run for President and a lot of Democrats were really ticked off about it, which I have to say I enjoyed. Many of Bernie's supporters switched to being Democrats so that they could vote for him in their state's primaries, but since they weren't supporting Hillary, many Democrats were ticked off about them too, which was also fun.

And then they were really ticked off when after he stopped campaigning, he switched right back to Independent, and they were all going nuts talking about how the rules needed to change to prevent him or anyone else who wasn't "loyal" to the Democratic party from running as a Democrat.

The same people all went nuts all over again when he ran again against Biden.

He really didn't like corporate Democrats and wanted to get big money out of politics, so he would stay in the race campaigning his platform long after he already lost, which upset them again and again, and they consider him "not a real Democrat" even though he largely votes with the Democrats on a number of issues.

There will probably never be another Bernie lol



One thing I really liked and appreciated about Bernie is he seemed pretty sincere based on the history of his voting record as a senator. He also had high approval ratings in his state of Vermont from both parties as well as independents. Liberals from out of state had issues with him because he wasn't completely anti-gun and conservatives got stuck on the whole socialist thing, even though he was very supportive of small businesses and regulated capitalism.



He had a stint as part of his local socialist party as a very young man, but they kicked him out because he wasn't socialist enough. He's definitely more Democratic socialist.

So he was one of these then?

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Working towards a better future for all.

 

[bekkilyn]

So he was one of these then?

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Working towards a better future for all.

I haven't really been paying attention to this group, so I don't know if he is officially supportive of them. I believe they formed as a response to him though. I think he has his own brand of "democratic socialism" (for lack of better words) largely because he campaigned for single-payer health care and other social programs similar to what they have in Scandinavian countries, but other parts of his platform may not neatly coincide with everything that this group's website seems to be promoting. I think he's more of a Democratic socialist for that reason, but he's really a category in and of himself.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I haven't really been paying attention to this group, so I don't know if he is officially supportive of them. I believe they formed as a response to him though. I think he has his own brand of "democratic socialism" (for lack of better words) largely because he campaigned for single-payer health care and other social programs similar to what they have in Scandinavian countries, but other parts of his platform may not neatly coincide with everything that this group's website seems to be promoting. I think he's more of a Democratic socialist for that reason, but he's really a category in and of himself.

Yeah I don't know. He took up the label though. If he's that.....he's basically for communism in short steps.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

So he was one of these then?

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) - Working towards a better future for all.

The terms "Socialist" "Democratic Socialist" and "Social Democrat" have become so semantically overloaded and redefined that most people don't even have a clue what the words actually mean anymore. (to their own detriment)

There's so many young people in our country that use them all interchangeably, that when the Danish PM came over and gave a speech at Harvard, he felt compelled to correct them and say "No, Denmark isn't a socialist economy, we're a market economy, with much freedom for everyone to pursue their dreams and live your life as you wish".

So even the Danish PM acknowledged that "Socialism" is the antithesis of "freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish"

Typically, the example I use to explain it to millennials who think "socialism is great, because that's what Norway and Denmark have!" is to explain that the Nordic Model is the modern iteration of "Social Democrat" lingo from back in the post WW2 era. And the difference between "Social Democrat" and "Socialist" is the difference between West and East Germany during that era.

"Democratic Socialist" is a weird sort of attempt at a hybrid, where they seem to think that the two terms can co-exist, and everyone gets to vote on "How hard Daddy governs you", without realizing that the first thing that goes away, the moment the "voters" start wanting things that don't align with 'the party', is the right to a free and fair vote.

"Democratic Socialism" was the idea they sold to Czechoslovakia to get them on-board, and the second the people started wanting things that didn't align with 'the party' and started expanding freedoms, communists sent in tanks, got rid of Dubček, and then gave the people other "choices" (that the party approved of) to choose from...and then probably just rigged it anyway...unless they believe that this guy won the vote with 100% support (which is basically impossible)

 

[bekkilyn]

Yeah I don't know. He took up the label though. If he's that.....he's basically for communism in short steps.

He's definitely not communist and his voting record wouldn't even go along with that one as a senator. He isn't anti-capitalism, but believes that big corporations, particularly big banks, need more financial regulation. I think people just needed to find a label and used "democratic socialist" as an argument against Republicans who kept accusing him of being an outright communist/socialist. I'm not sure it really was the best argument because putting "socialist" in any label is going to create a lot of misunderstanding.

If you ever want to incense corporate Democrats and/or Hillary supporters though, all you need do is say "Bernie would have won." On certain Democratic forums, you might even get banned for flaming for making that comment.

I really don't think he's going to run again in 2024. I just wish that the entire left hadn't gone "woke".

 

[Ana the Ist]

He's definitely not communist and his voting record wouldn't even go along with that one as a senator. He isn't anti-capitalism, but believes that big corporations, particularly big banks, need more financial regulation. I think people just needed to find a label and used "democratic socialist" as an argument against Republicans who kept accusing him of being an outright communist/socialist. I'm not sure it really was the best argument because putting "socialist" in any label is going to create a lot of misunderstanding.

If you ever want to incense corporate Democrats and/or Hillary supporters though, all you need do is say "Bernie would have won." On certain Democratic forums, you might even get banned for flaming for making that comment.

I really don't think he's going to run again in 2024. I just wish that the entire left hadn't gone "woke".

We're in a pretty bad political environment.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The terms "Socialist" "Democratic Socialist" and "Social Democrat" have become so semantically overloaded and redefined that most people don't even have a clue what the words actually mean anymore. (to their own detriment)

There's so many young people in our country that use them all interchangeably, that when the Danish PM came over and gave a speech at Harvard, he felt compelled to correct them and say "No, Denmark isn't a socialist economy, we're a market economy, with much freedom for everyone to pursue their dreams and live your life as you wish".

So even the Danish PM acknowledged that "Socialism" is the antithesis of "freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish"

Typically, the example I use to explain it to millennials who think "socialism is great, because that's what Norway and Denmark have!" is to explain that the Nordic Model is the modern iteration of "Social Democrat" lingo from back in the post WW2 era. And the difference between "Social Democrat" and "Socialist" is the difference between West and East Germany during that era.

"Democratic Socialist" is a weird sort of attempt at a hybrid, where they seem to think that the two terms can co-exist, and everyone gets to vote on "How hard Daddy governs you", without realizing that the first thing that goes away, the moment the "voters" start wanting things that don't align with 'the party', is the right to a free and fair vote.

"Democratic Socialism" was the idea they sold to Czechoslovakia to get them on-board, and the second the people started wanting things that didn't align with 'the party' and started expanding freedoms, communists sent in tanks, got rid of Dubček, and then gave the people other "choices" (that the party approved of) to choose from...and then probably just rigged it anyway...unless they believe that this guy won the vote with 100% support (which is basically impossible)
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I don't vote because even though I know a lot about politics, I know that I simply don't have to examine policy proposals, how likely they are, how viable they are, how consistent the candidates are in holding positions and what they compromise on....

Democracy is an idea to convince you that you have a say...or perhaps when the group is small enough and options are few, it's viable.

The idea that we are going to deal with increasingly complex problems with a set of ideas written into law hundreds of years ago? Nah.

I realized in college while getting my degree and studying China...it basically has to be authoritarian. There's a billion people there. Every problem is difficult with a billion people. If they had rights and freedoms that nation would have torn itself apart into a dozen pieces by now.

 

[RDKirk]

I realized in college while getting my degree and studying China...it basically has to be authoritarian. There's a billion people there. Every problem is difficult with a billion people. If they had rights and freedoms that nation would have torn itself apart into a dozen pieces by now.

And yet, India has not either, even though it's got 20,000 better reasons than China to have done so.

We scratched our heads about that in the military intel business: Why hasn't India politically self destructed, and shows no sign of doing so?

I think it's Hinduism. When most people believe in reincarnation, Kharma, and "what goes around, comes around," maybe it's easier to accept the loss of an election, and harder to contemplate killing all your opponents (at least when they're Hindu, too).

 

[Ana the Ist]

And yet, India has not either, even though it's got 20,000 better reasons than China to have done so.

Is India a functional state on the level of China. I mean it's great they aren't authoritarian...

Ten million slaves go missing from survey in India

But they have slavery and rivers of feces.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/urban-rural-two-sides-of-indias-sanitation-problem/

Hasn't imploded? It doesn't seem to be functional either.

 

[RDKirk]

Is India a functional state on the level of China. I mean it's great they aren't authoritarian...

Ten million slaves go missing from survey in India

But they have slavery and rivers of feces.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/urban-rural-two-sides-of-indias-sanitation-problem/

Hasn't imploded? It doesn't seem to be functional either.

Yeah, they're functional. "Functional" does not mean perfect.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yeah, they're functional. "Functional" does not mean perfect.

No state is perfect. India is on life support

It's an authoritarian state between elections and as a democracy its not a century old.

As far as I can tell the main reason why nobody worries about India and everyone worries about China and Russia is because India spends all it's time fighting against itself. It's constantly staving off imminent collapse. It's the death throes of democracy.

China on the other hand, despite having huge issues, is still expanding.

You did military analysis right? You aren't a stranger to large complex systems. Diagnose the US political system. I'm curious about what you think. Let's focus on the increasing political partisan divide that has led largely to increasing stagnation and inability to pass meaningful legislation. The increase of political ideologues, lack of cooperation and compromise, and any possible nonviolent solutions.

Main causes, main problem, any non violent solution.

 

[RDKirk]

No state is perfect. India is on life support

It's an authoritarian state between elections and as a democracy its not a century old.

As far as I can tell the main reason why nobody worries about India and everyone worries about China and Russia is because India spends all it's time fighting against itself. It's constantly staving off imminent collapse. It's the death throes of democracy.

Considering the political and economic messes India had to start with, as I said the wonder is that it had not imploded decades ago. The military is quite strong and surprisingly professional...and hasn't staged a coup yet. If Indian democracy collapses ten years from now, it will always be a wonder that it lasted as long as it did.