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So, when the Bible says these people saw God, they're not really seeing God, they're just...sort of seeing him, I guess. Even though none of the passages mention that at all.
We call these "theophanies."

When God manifested Himself to [a] man, He did it "veiled" in some form, so we couldn't see Him in His full essence.

Examples:

  1. Abraham was visited by three angels.
  2. Jacob wrestled with an angel.
  3. Moses saw a burning bush.
  4. Moses saw the hinderpart of God.
  5. The Israelites saw a pillar of cloud by day, which became a pillar of fire by night.
  6. Nebuchadnezzar saw the "form of a fourth man."
  7. Belshazzar saw a hand, writing on a wall.
  8. Ezekiel saw a mechanical device of some kind.
 
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Is your new hobby attempting to revive really old threads?

No. He'd been doing it for years before you ever joined the forum.

If only more people would ignore all his antics then perhaps his necromancy would happen less often.
 
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No. He'd been doing it for years before you ever joined the forum.

If only more people would ignore all his antics then perhaps his necromancy would happen less often.

He must have forgot about it for a while then and just restarted a little bit ago.
 
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Hey, everybody.

This is my first post and i can't think of a better away to start of than to ask a question thats been killing me for a long time. This question can really only be answered with one of two answers. no grey area. The question has to do with God. It is: Where did God come from. Now, don't disregard me just yet. As peposterous as the question seems, there is, as i mentioned earlier, only 2 possibilities. Either God is infinite in age and has been around forever, or God popped up at some time. Now, both answers have their problems and that is where my mind goes numb thinking about it.

To start, lets assume the latter option is true. God popped up at some time. Creationists believed that it is impossible for matter and energy to just appear from nowhere, so the question then is, how could an energy so infinite as God appear from nowhere. This obviously means that God came from or was placed there by something else. Would that not make a higher entity than God?

Now lets assume that the other option is true. God is infinite. This one really bothers me because the idea of an infinite God is just as unlikely as an infinite universe. If God has been around forever, then does this not mean it took an eternity for him to actually get around to creating the earth and the heavens. Let me ask it this way: Creationists believe the world to be about 6000 years in age. It is impossible to subtract from infinity. infinity minus anything is still infinity. so; infinity(the age of God) - 6000(the age of earth and heaven)=infinity(the amount of time passed before the creation of earth).

Now, barring a third option on the origin of God, as far as I can reason, this proves the existance of an almighty God impossible. Now, granted, these same ideas can be used against evolution, but i am neither a creationist, or a evolutionist. i believe in something else that has not been explored or even fathomed by man. If anyone has any questions or comments or answers regarding this idea, or my question please post. I would like to hear your opinions.

A timeless question from the early 2000's.
Yes. We measure "time" as a rate of decay. We move sand to the top of
the hourglass and watch as it attempts to reach the lowest form of energy
possible. Similar with radiation, we measure it's decay to "see" time.

So if God existed before "decay" then He would have been in a timeless
state. Christians believe that God was/is in this timeless state. We may
have been in this state when Adam was created, but we are not now.
When Adam turned away from God, the clock began ticking. On that
day, "Thou shalt surely die" became true.

That is when time began for humans and the rest of creation as well.
This solves your infinite dilemmas. As for the "source" of God, again, this
"source" idea is tied to a "time table" which does not exist for God. He is
is the realm of "always was, always will be" as we might describe it.
 
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