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[nomad]

Today at 02:12 AM Dopeuter said this in Post #16



I sometimes think of Abraham being told to sacrifice Isaac. We know why he did that but that’s besides the point, my point is , what if Abraham told his friends that god had told him to sacrifice his son. His friends would have said, “no way Abs, god did not tell you that because it is against his ways”. the fact is he did tell him too.
Again, Ezekiel was told by god to eat human excrement before all of Israel but Ezekiel wouldn’t because it was so much against all of gods written law, so god told him to eat cow dung before Israel but again Ezekiel said, “no lord, it is against your laws”. god commanded him to do it and so he did, against all of the law and Israel and Mosses .
I love watching god do things that cause the majority of religious people to reject what the spirit is doing because it separates the false from the real and I recon you are fair dinkum real mate. Real Christians are awear of the presence of god and the love of god. False Christians don’t even believe god speaks to them and they have no understanding of gods love for us, only fear.

We do have alot in common and it blesses me very deeply to share with you.

I to have pondered some of the things that God commanded of the people of Old and New Testement Alike.  Your example of Abraham and Eziekiel are excellent examples of why we should put God above the law and not vice a versa.

In my early days I asked God about this and He began to show me why it is so important to Obey Him above the written word.  The written word does not change.  God and His character does not change.  However, Gods creation is not static, it is dynamic and requires a Ruler to run it efficiently.

Some of Gods Laws changed from the Old Testement to the New Testement.  For example we no longer have to sacrafice animals as an atonement for our sins.  Jesus came and died for us and put an end to all of that.  So why does God say His word never changes when indeed if we take this literally we see that it has changed?  In your example why would God say "thou shalt not kill" and also say to Abraham "Go Kill you Kid".

Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’£ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’£ 40All the other commandments and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments

By perfect obediance to the Supreme ruler of all things seen and unseen the ruler being Jesus we are no longer under the law but under His rule.  If we obey Jesus we fulfill all the law according to his desire.  We actually become the law by our obediance to him.

The dynamics of mankind require rules to be set so that society as a hole will function smoothly.  No rules and everybody would be doing there own thing.  That is one reason why God gave the children of Israel His laws so they wouldn't be doing there own thing.  It would be utter chaos.  The problem is most people do not understand the intent of the law or its purpose.

An evil man can and will corrupt the law even tho it is good.  The good law of God can actually be used against the Lord himself by manipulating the intent and meaning.  The Pharisees were called to task about this by Jesus

How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income,£ but you ignore the important things of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things.

The point of some of the prophets was to reflect like a mirror the spiritual state of the children of Israel.  The children of Israel saw the wrong of the prophet and judged him wrong when in essence they were set up by God to judge themselves.  Judge ye not lest you be judged.  Basically they condemned themselves by pointing out they new the law enough to judge the prophet.  God didn't have to convict them they did it to themselves.  By there own word of judgement on the prophet they called the Law of God good and agreed with God that his way is right.  Get the picture of what's going on here.  Smart God we serve.

There is much more to this but I'm getting tired.

I wish I could write here all that I've learned but I don't think the Forums Servers could contain it all.

 

[nomad]

Yesterday at 06:03 PM sbbqb7n16 said this in Post #11

You have already just asked God what you said right?

Jeremiah 33:3

and the whole "he who lacks wisdom should ask of God who gives freely to all"

I'm sure if you are as close to Him as you say you are, He should be more than willing to just tell you what you said. Then judge whether that was from Him or not... or you could ask Him that too. Surely God is more than able to tell you what you said. My thoughts Have a great day!

Thanks for your thoughts here.  Yes I asked him about it.  But you know His ways are not our ways.  He has helped me enourmasly through the people like your self with there input. 

Being close to somebody doesn't guarantee that they are going to reveal everything of themselves to you.  It may be for your own good that they don't.

 

[Dopeuter]

I to have pondered some of the things that God commanded of the people of Old and New Testament Alike. Your example of Abraham and Ezekiel are excellent examples of why we should put God above the law and not vice a versa.

I totally agree with you nomad, I am a big believer that there is a big difference between knowing about god and knowing god.

It is like say, the president of the US.
Americans and the world know all about him but we do not know him personally. if he invited us to dinner and we got to know him personally, then that would be a totally different relationship compared to just knowing about him.

The bible can tell us all about Jesus and god and the church can teach us of him too but we really only know about him at that point. it isn't until we seek the lord through prayer and faith that we actually meet him personally and know him personally.

From this point, it is all about obeying him as you have said. we can keep all the rules of the book but when we know Jesus personally, through the holy ghost, then we can literally be obedient to his every word spoken directly into our hears, the rhema word as you put it.. We then live by grace not a law and we obey god because he is good and we love him and know his ways are freedom and liberation.

I notice Jesus used the written word to stand strong under the deception of Satan in the wilderness. The written word is relevant but not as relevant as the word of god that Jesus spoke

As you probably know, Jesus didn't say, “I have given you the bible to lead and guide you into all truth and teach you of me”. he said,” I will give you the holy ghost and he will lead you into all truth and teach you of me.”
Not to take away from the inspiring words in the bible that come from men of god that know the words of god. In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and was god and the word became flesh. Jesus is the word and the seeds that were sown were his words, not the word of the old testament but rather the words he spoke.
I know you are wear of this , I just wanted to tie it all in with the other posts.

What do ya think of that post on spiritual warfare mate???

I know what ya mean about writing everything you learned and it filling the forum. Have you ever considered writing a book nomad???

 

[nomad]

Today at 05:08 AM Dopeuter said this in Post #23



I totally agree with you nomad, I am a big believer that there is a big difference between knowing about god and knowing god.

It is like say, the president of the US.
Americans and the world know all about him but we do not know him personally. if he invited us to dinner and we got to know him personally, then that would be a totally different relationship compared to just knowing about him.

The bible can tell us all about Jesus and god and the church can teach us of him too but we really only know about him at that point. it isn't until we seek the lord through prayer and faith that we actually meet him personally and know him personally.

From this point, it is all about obeying him as you have said. we can keep all the rules of the book but when we know Jesus personally, through the holy ghost, then we can literally be obedient to his every word spoken directly into our hears, the rhema word as you put it.. We then live by grace not a law and we obey god because he is good and we love him and know his ways are freedom and liberation.

I notice Jesus used the written word to stand strong under the deception of Satan in the wilderness. The written word is relevant but not as relevant as the word of god that Jesus spoke

As you probably know, Jesus didn't say, “I have given you the bible to lead and guide you into all truth and teach you of me”. he said,” I will give you the holy ghost and he will lead you into all truth and teach you of me.”
Not to take away from the inspiring words in the bible that come from men of god that know the words of god. In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and was god and the word became flesh. Jesus is the word and the seeds that were sown were his words, not the word of the old testament but rather the words he spoke.
I know you are wear of this , I just wanted to tie it all in with the other posts.

What do ya think of that post on spiritual warfare mate???

I know what ya mean about writing everything you learned and it filling the forum. Have you ever considered writing a book nomad???

Dopeuter,

Wow, what an incredible post.  I'm glad you did write all this.  Your analogy of how are relationship should be with Jesus by using the example of the President was excellent.

Your summary of how we are to recieve our King was also excellent.

I've inquired to the Lord about writing but not a book.  I really enjoy prophecy, signs dreams and such and was asking Him if maybe it would be Ok with Him to write more prophecy.  Put it in a forum like this one so everybody that wanted deeper understanding or revelation could get it here.  Or just to read it and enjoy it.

I was also asking him about writing a "word" that would help somebody individually.  I want to use what I have so people can be healed in the various forms they have been wounded.  He's told me some things but to be honest, I'm not sure exactly what they mean.

May all those who read these words written by these postors be blessed.

 

[nomad]

I notice Jesus used the written word to stand strong under the deception of Satan in the wilderness. The written word is relevant but not as relevant as the word of god that Jesus spoke

I missed this the first time around.&nbsp; This is one of the very most important reasons that the Bible is essential in our walk with God.&nbsp; We can easily fall into deception without the written word of our Lord.&nbsp; Without the Bible I personally don't think I could have gotton as far as I have.&nbsp; I still have a long way to go, but as Paul said in Romans Chapter 7 "Thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord" I'm going to make it.<SUP>1&nbsp;&nbsp;Now, dear brothers and sisters£—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only to a person who is still living? 2&nbsp;&nbsp;Let me illustrate. When a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. 3So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries.

4&nbsp;&nbsp;So this is the point: The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, you can produce good fruit, that is, good deeds for God. 5When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6&nbsp;&nbsp;But now we have been released from the law, for we died with Christ, and we are no longer captive to its power. Now we can really serve God, not in the old way by obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way, by the Spirit.<I>God’s Law Reveals Our Sin</I>7Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is evil? Of course not! The law is not sinful, but it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, "Do not covet."£ 8But sin took advantage of this law and aroused all kinds of forbidden desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power.

9&nbsp;&nbsp;I felt fine when I did not understand what the law demanded. But when I learned the truth, I realized I had broken the law and was a sinner, doomed to die. 10So the good law, which was supposed to show me the way of life, instead gave me the death penalty. 11&nbsp;&nbsp;Sin took advantage of the law and fooled me; it took the good law and used it to make me guilty of death. 12But still, the law itself is holy and right and good.

13But how can that be? Did the law, which is good, cause my doom? Of course not! Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation. So we can see how terrible sin really is. It uses God’s good commandment for its own evil purposes.<I>Struggling with Sin</I>14&nbsp;&nbsp;The law is good, then. The trouble is not with the law but with me, because I am sold into slavery, with sin as my master. 15&nbsp;&nbsp;I don’t understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do the very thing I hate. 16I know perfectly well that what I am doing is wrong, and my bad conscience shows that I agree that the law is good. 17&nbsp;&nbsp;But I can’t help myself, because it is sin inside me that makes me do these evil things.

18I know I am rotten through and through so far as my old sinful nature is concerned. No matter which way I turn, I can’t make myself do right. I want to, but I can’t. 19When I want to do good, I don’t. And when I try not to do wrong, I do it anyway. 20But if I am doing what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing it; the sin within me is doing it.

21It seems to be a fact of life that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22I love God’s law with all my heart. 23&nbsp;&nbsp;But there is another law at work within me that is at war with my mind. This law wins the fight and makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. 24Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin?£ 25Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.</SUP>

 

[Dopeuter]

I was also asking him about writing a "word" that would help somebody individually. I want to use what I have so people can be healed in the various forms they have been wounded.

Nomad, the lord is defiantly using you to do this. I don't want to go into this to much on a personal level but that link you gave me of the posts from you and then jerry was a massive word to me. I have been struggling terribly for a few years now with my Christianity. Jesus is always at the forefront of my mind but my Christianity was in taters from that big rock that is in my way that has been a great discouragement to who I am in Christ. I have struggled but lately the lord has given me ground and I am feeling great. When you and jerry were describing how these things are what make us strong , well, that made me feel that if I ever over come the rock in my path and run the race, it will be a case of , "look out Satan". Because I will kick his *** every time I see him if god will hold me up and strengthen me. your words were as if god were speaking to me personally and it blessed me so much to see that god will use our weaknesses to make us strong in him.

I just want you to know that your word was exact and very precise to the last letter and it has strengthened my faith as a result so keep doing what you are doing mate because god is behind it.

 

[reeann]

Today at 08:58 AM nomad said this in Post #19&nbsp;




reeann,


<SUP></SUP>The Bible is a book with words written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.&nbsp; If I have Jesus, I have not only the entire Bible, but I have Him as well and then some.&nbsp; He could share with me volumes about himself that the Bible does not.&nbsp; One of the disciples if I remember correctly said something to the effect of "it would take volumes to describe Jesus and the things He done".

As long as you don't change the nature of God and contradict the Word of God, i'm with you my friend.&nbsp; If God reveals something to you that is different that what is in the Bible, I would have to just tell you I think the Bible disagrees and leave it there.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just want to make sure you know that I don't judge You; but that I am trusting in the Living Word of God.




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[Dopeuter]

I just want to make sure you know that I don't judge You; but that I am trusting in the Living Word of God.

It is great that you trust in the living word of god reeann. Is this the resurrected Jesus whom you are classing as the living word of god??
I assume so, considering he is the only living word of god that I know off. If Jesus is the living word of god, then I believe he will lead and guide us into all truth through the Holy ghost. The holy ghost teaches us of Jesus and to do this we must know that living word whom is Jesus himself. The bible will teach you about him but the holy ghost will reveal him to you. The word of god is Jesus himself. The words he spoke was the words he sowed.

I worry that a lot of Christians misplace there loyalty.
Some that class the pope as gods infallible word and others who class the bible as gods infallible word. Be careful not to misplace your loyalty and realise that Jesus himself is the only infallible word of god.

 

[nomad]

I just want to make sure you know that I don't judge You; but that I am trusting in the Living Word of God.

Actually you have judged me but in doing so you judged yourself.

How did you do this you ask?&nbsp; Let's find out if your obediant to the word of God first.

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Ephesians 5:21 And further, you will submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

If you want to draw closer to God and please Him then submit to me by reading this post carefully.&nbsp; It doesn't just apply to you but others as well including myself.&nbsp; It should be easy for you to do since we are not face to face.&nbsp; I will tell you that I am tired of being judged by my own brothers and sisters out of ignorance of the Word.&nbsp; I can see in your hearts what you think and I'm going to bind you up until you get it right.

John 5:30 But I do nothing without consulting the Father. I judge as I am told. And my judgment is absolutely just, because it is according to the will of God who sent me; it is not merely my own.

This is what I do.&nbsp; Do you do this?&nbsp; I know that you don't by what you said.

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As long as you don't change the nature of God and contradict the Word of God, i'm with you my friend. If God reveals something to you that is different that what is in the Bible, I would have to just tell you I think the Bible disagrees and leave it there. I just want to make sure you know that I don't judge You; but that I am trusting in the Living Word of God.

Satan knows the word of God better then you do.&nbsp; So according to your judgement your with Satan as long as he don't contradict the Bible.&nbsp; You will be decieved if you judge the way you do.

You cannot and I repeat you cannot use the Bible alone to verify weather or not something is right or wrong.&nbsp; The Bible does not verify God, God verifies the Bible.&nbsp; God verifies His word.&nbsp; His word is not limited to just the Bible.&nbsp; He speaks with many voices and verifies them Himself.

1 John 2:27 But you have received the Holy Spirit,£ and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.

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Hebrews 2:3 and God verified the message by signs and wonders and various miracles and by giving gifts of the Holy Spirit whenever he chose to do so.

If you rely on only the Bible to learn about God then your way off track.&nbsp; The Holy Spirit will teach you the word to a point where you could actually write the Truth about the word for others to read.&nbsp; When others read it God will verify it as His own.

The Bible Has not always existed in the form we know it today.&nbsp; You say to me if my word does not align with your bible and your understanding then you will not accept it.&nbsp; Did you ask the true Living God about it before dismissing it as wrong or not from God?&nbsp; If not, then you will be left behind.

2 Peter 1:21 or because they wanted to prophesy. It was the Holy Spirit who moved the prophets to speak from God.

2 Peter 3:2 I want you to remember and understand what the holy prophets said long ago and what our Lord and Savior commanded through your apostles.

So I prophesy and you say It doesn't align with the Bible.&nbsp; Who are you to confine the Living God by His written word.&nbsp; Worse yet who are you to lean to your own understanding of it.&nbsp; Would it not be better to accept all things as coming from God and let him show you what is right and wrong.&nbsp; To learn about God and who He is takes time, you don't get this all at once.&nbsp; You have to spend time with Him and believe His word.&nbsp; If you don't your lost.

I prophesy and say thus says the Lord "your car is out of alignment and if you continue with this malfuction you will ruin your tires."

Where is this at in the bible?&nbsp; Does it come from God?&nbsp; The writer?&nbsp; Who is the writer?&nbsp; Who is causing this to be written and why?&nbsp; Can you answer any of these questions with absolute certainty?&nbsp; God can&nbsp;for nothing is hidden from him.&nbsp; Will you simply dismiss it?&nbsp; Or will you take a closer look at it privately with the Holy Spirit in you and check it out.&nbsp; Maybe it has nothing to do with the tires on your car and He wants you to go see something else more important.&nbsp; But, if you dismiss it because it doesn't align with the word then you'll never see what He has for you.&nbsp; Trusting God is believing that regardless of what it looks like you are going to follow His lead.&nbsp; That is how you learn.

You brought me under fire because of a statement I made which alarmed you.

I'll take Him over the Bible any day.

If you know your Bible you would not have been alarmed by this statement at all.&nbsp; If I have God which I do, and I have the Holy Spirit, which I do, then I have everything I need period.&nbsp; If you believe what God has had written in the Bible then you would know that it is entirely possible for the truth to be written without it.&nbsp; If you cannot see the truth of that statement then I suggest that you reread this post and this time apply what you have learned.

John 8:13 The Pharisees replied, "You are making false claims about yourself!"14Jesus told them, "These claims are valid even though I make them about myself. For I know where I came from and where I am going, but you don’t know this about me. 15You judge me with all your human limitations,£ but I am not judging anyone. 16And if I did, my judgment would be correct in every respect because I am not alone—I have with me the Father who sent me. 17Your own law says that if two people agree about something, their witness is accepted as fact.£ 18I am one witness, and my Father who sent me is the other."

I have made the claim that Jesus Christ is my personal saviour.&nbsp; His Holy Spirit dwells in me.&nbsp; I write sometimes under Gods direct supervision as I am right now.&nbsp; There are times that I'm just writing of&nbsp;my own accord or just having fun sharing some thoughts.&nbsp; I make one error in typing or don't fully explain something you call me to account.&nbsp; You have judged me.&nbsp; Now I do not judge but if I did it would be by my fathers direction that I did.&nbsp; No, I look accept and allow&nbsp;Him to lead me where He wants me to go.&nbsp; Do I judge you?&nbsp; If I did, it wouldn't be my own.&nbsp; You would be in serious trouble if I did because It would be Gods judgement through me to you.&nbsp; God would then verify my judgement by carrying it out weather you believe it or not.

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Matthew 7:1 “Stop judging others, and you will not be judged. 2For others will treat you as you treat them.£ Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged. 3And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye£ when you have a log in your own? 4How can you think of saying, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.

So because of your own limitations and ignorance you judge my little speck when I see a board in you.&nbsp;

John 8:32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

What is my judgement then.&nbsp; That you learn the Truth and nothing but the&nbsp;Truth so help you God.&nbsp; You will by Gods own judgement against you be bound until you do.

Do you want to be free?&nbsp; I do.

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John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17God did not send his Son into the world to condemn it, but to save it

Father in heaven,

I accept your word for your word was in the beginning and it came to us through your son Jesus Christ.&nbsp; Your word was made perfect by what Jesus did for us.&nbsp; We don't always understand but with you all things are possible.&nbsp; I would have us all to have the Truth so that we may be set free.&nbsp; Open our eyes and ears and our hearts and help us to really live according to the truth.&nbsp; Help us to see one another with your ways and not ours.&nbsp; Speak with us through your spirit and help us to really now who you are and not guess at it.&nbsp; This is your will, it will be done.

In the name of Jesus I submit this to you Father.

 

[OracleX]

The gift of prophecy became unnecessary when God's Word was completed. When the apostles were alive and writting the Word, it was inspired by God and was revealed to them by God. But the Bible has been completed.

1 Corinthians 13:8-11 "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away."

Here Paul is saying that prophecies, tongues and knowledge shall be put away, they will no longer happen. What does knowledge mean here? It means that new knowledge of God that is revealed by visions, dreams, and prophecy. These being revelatory gifts. It says that when that which is perfect is come being the Word of the Lord, that that which is in part shall be done away with. The Word of the Lord is completed, the Bible is completed, the time has passed on these things.

Revelation 22:18-21 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."

The Bible is very specific here that first, we are not to add to this book or to take away from this book. Notice it says that the Bible is a book of prophecy, that was the means in which it was given. This are the last verses of the Bible, these are the last words of prophecy that God has given man. The Bible is complete, it is finished.

Revelation 21:5-6 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

It is finished, it is done. God's revelation to man is completed. God said it Himself, it is done, there is no more to be written. There is only one Word and that is the one which has been written. There is no new word, there is no new prophecy, the Word is complete and these things have passed away. Since Revelation is the culmination of all prophecy given by God to man, we have no need for any new additional prophecy. What needs to be done is to study the Word as it was given by God.

 

[Dopeuter]

there’s always someone that try to screw up what god has done for me

Nomad, pay no attention to this junk mate because that link of yours and Jerry’s yesterday was from god , no doubt what so ever. god spoke through you and jerry yesterday and you couldn't possibly know to what depth but I do and this attempt to screw you and me up is not from god by any means at all.

thanks again for putting me onto that link yesterday nomad, you said things that only god could have known and you lead me to a message that god had already been saying to me. it was a little spooky but extremely liberating.

please don't stop prophesying regardless of what others want to believe. god revealed himself to me yesterday through your prophesying gift. You are close to the spirit of god , I know that and so do you.

 

[OracleX]

Please be clear. God can help us through what others are saying. That is true and clear to see. But what is not true is that prophecy is a gift that is still given by God. There is a BIG difference. Nomad thinks his words are the words of God as the Bible is the Word of God. There is a huge difference here. There is a big difference between ecourangement and prophecy. Anyone who says that they prophicie(sp) is not doing it by God as it is clearly not what is written in the Bible. What are you going to believe on this issue? Gods Word or mans word?

 

[Dopeuter]

fair enough oracle, if that’s what you want to believe mate.

why don't you start your own thread if you want to argue about it because this thread was going quite well without the arguing getting involved because that is not encouraging at all. I don't need to be any clearer than I have been because it is between me and nomad. He knows what I was saying.

 

[OracleX]

The reason I speak about it in this thread is because this is where it is going on. There is something going on here that goes against what the Bible says, that is why I am speaking about it here.

 

[Dopeuter]

Oracle, do you want a biblical debate on this mate?? I would be glad to show you I know as much of the bible as you do if not more.

The thing that tells me not to bother is that you will never change my mind and there is a chance that you wont even listen or change your views.

If you really want a debate on this I will give you one but ya know what that means , LOOOOONG posts mate. are you willing and will you read it all.????

 

[OracleX]

There is one thing that you have stated that is correct. I have made up my mind, I have choosen whom I believe. I believe in God, in His perfect Word that was inspired by Him and completed by Him. I could says they same thing about you though. You are not going to change your mind either. You have choosen to believe a lie and be decived. You seem to be deeply routed in it too.

I am not sure what there is to debate on this issue. Why don't you reply to the scripture that has been quoted already?

 

[Dopeuter]

well , I was going to do just that, but what could you learn from me???? I believe in lies????

I have no interest in this any more , you only came to disturb what god was doing by asuming stuff you have never experianced were as I have.

Be ignorant if you like, I am fine talking to people like nomad that are more real with there true relationship with god. you don't even seem to know god because you think he is a book hahahaha