Big Question

nomad · Mar 20, 2003

I was just reading through the thread "speaking in tongues" and was wondering if anyone has experienced this;

I was sitting around a table at a bible meeting and began to pray, I don't remember exactly what happened, but I asked the Lord to speak through me as I was praying aloud. I remember going totally blank for a time as if I had blacked out. It was obvious from the reaction of the people sitting around the table that something very unsetteling had been said. Worse, no one wanted to tell me what I said.

One lady came up to me and asked me how long I had been a christian afterward. I was pretty much avoided after that.

Any "Word of the Lord" out there? Thoughts?

auswiq · Mar 20, 2003

Well from what I read in the OT, those to whom God had given command
to speak in His Name to the people, ie, the prophets were fully awake and
in full possession of their faculties when they spoke. No blanking out or trances and the like. I suggest, for your sake, avoid such caper, for theres
too much risk youre leaving yourself open to other spirits rather than His Spirit - Who, by the way is in the business of glorifying the Lord Jesus, and drawing people to repentance and faith in Him, not titillating peoples delection for 'signs' and miracles. 'Blessed are those who not see, but believe' - Jesus.  The only revelation one needs is the written Word of God, brought to life within your spirit by the Holy Spirit with your faith and aim solely centred upon Jesus, not weird n' wonderful manifestations.

reeann · Mar 20, 2003

Yes, anytime I have had an experience with God speaking to me I've always been very aware of my surroundings, very aware of waht was happening, very aware of what God was saying to me. Always, it was a knowing that it was God. Again, in the years of my Christian walk, this has happened only three times, and never as a result of my request. Always it was a peaceful feeling and each time it did happen, I had been praying.

nomad · Mar 20, 2003

Well from what I read in the OT, those to whom God had given command
to speak in His Name to the people, ie, the prophets were fully awake and
in full possession of their faculties when they spoke. No blanking out or trances and the like. I suggest, for your sake, avoid such caper, for theres
too much risk youre leaving yourself open to other spirits rather than His Spirit - Who, by the way is in the business of glorifying the Lord Jesus, and drawing people to repentance and faith in Him, not titillating peoples delection for 'signs' and miracles. 'Blessed are those who not see, but believe' - Jesus.  The only revelation one needs is the written Word of God, brought to life within your spirit by the Holy Spirit with your faith and aim solely centred upon Jesus, not weird n' wonderful manifestations.

Knowing this as being true is why I have been troubled with it for so long.  I take it so seriously that I quit for a time using any spiritual gifts at all for fear of being used as a vessel of satan and not of God.  I even went so far with it that I told God, and he knows my heart about this, I quit until you can fully convince me that It is you working through me.

 

Yes, anytime I have had an experience with God speaking to me I've always been very aware of my surroundings, very aware of waht was happening, very aware of what God was saying to me. Always, it was a knowing that it was God. Again, in the years of my Christian walk, this has happened only three times, and never as a result of my request. Always it was a peaceful feeling and each time it did happen, I had been praying.

This is how it has normally been through out my christian relationship.  If I here a spoken word, it is verified later, or if someone gives to me a word it is verified later.

What I wonder about this paticular situation is this.  We can control the gifts of the spirit by our own will.  The propets of the Old sometimes spoke things to the Kings they didn't want to hear.  Many of them were killed.  I have a great fear of the reaction other people will have to what the Lord would say through me to them.  What the Lord says is not always what we want to hear.  Whats worse, it is not always clear what He means when He does speak.  I was knew to the gifts of the spirit and had a basic understanding of how they are to operate in the church.  I believe they are important if correctly used.  One of the issues at the time was spiritual gifts.  I wonder if the Lord didn't just sedate my mind for my own emotional well being.  I may never know.

There have been some other instances where I was in full control of my faculties and spoke a word and the reactions were "stone him" so to speak.  I began to loose my confidence in this area and began questioning very seriously who the spirit was that spoke through me.  It has always been confirmed after being tested.

I've found that most folks in churchs that I have visited don't have the depth of knowledge of spiritual things that could help me.  Basically they pretty much told me the same thing you guys posted.

The good part about all of this is, is that it lead me into a quest for greater knowledge of the truth.  I learned more then I ever could have imagined.  Still don't know as much as I would like to tho.

Well thanks for your input.  I guess I'll just have to wait upon the Lord for answers to some of these deeper questions that haunt me.

reeann · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 12:47 AM nomad said this in Post #4

The good part about all of this is, is that it lead me into a quest for greater knowledge of the truth.  I learned more then I ever could have imagined.  Still don't know as much as I would like to tho.

Well thanks for your input.  I guess I'll just have to wait upon the Lord for answers to some of these deeper questions that haunt me.

The more I study and the more I seek the Lord, the more I find I don't know and the more sinful I find myself.    I am encouraged though, for God has spoken that I am only to trust (Lord, please help me in this area), and stop trying to second guess Him so much.   

So, these are the verses I am memorizing this week:

 

Philippians 1
6   For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until (1) the day of Christ Jesus.

<DIV class=SearchResults>2 Corinthians 12:9
And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for [1 Cor 2:5; Eph 3:16; Phil 4:13] power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather [1 Cor 2:3; 2 Cor 12:5] boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. </DIV>
 

This Weekends Reflection for me:

An Unashamed Workman

14   Remind them of these things, and solemnly (35) charge them in the presence of God not to (36) wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers.
15   Be diligent to (37) present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling (38) the word of truth.
16   But (39) avoid (40) worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness,
17   and their talk will spread like [1] gangrene. Among them are (41) Hymenaeus and Philetus,
18   men who have gone astray from the truth saying that (42) the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset (43) the faith of some.
19   Nevertheless, the (44) firm foundation of God stands, having this (45) seal, "(46) The Lord knows those who are His," and, "(47) Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness."
20   Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and (48) some to honor and some to dishonor.
21   Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from (49) these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, (50) prepared for every good work.
22   Now (51) flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, (52) faith, love and peace, with those who (53) call on the Lord (54) from a pure heart.
23   But refuse foolish and ignorant (55) speculations, knowing that they (56) produce quarrels.
24   (57) The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, (58) able to teach, patient when wronged,
25   (59) with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, (60) if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to (61) the knowledge of the truth,
26   and they may come to their senses and escape from (62) the snare of the devil, having been (63) held captive by him to do his will.

HesMyAll · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 03:41 AM nomad said this in Post #1

I was just reading through the thread "speaking in tongues" and was wondering if anyone has experienced this;

I was sitting around a table at a bible meeting and began to pray, I don't remember exactly what happened, but I asked the Lord to speak through me as I was praying aloud. I remember going totally blank for a time as if I had blacked out. It was obvious from the reaction of the people sitting around the table that something very unsetteling had been said. Worse, no one wanted to tell me what I said.

One lady came up to me and asked me how long I had been a christian afterward. I was pretty much avoided after that.

Any "Word of the Lord" out there? Thoughts?

I have spoke in other tongues after being baptized in the Holy Spirit but I didn't go blank.  If you have an experience from God, He will make sure you remember it.  I don't know just what happened to you but it doesn't sound like what I have experienced.

Seek the Lord and ask Him to help you to understand what happened.  I'll be praying for you. :pray:

nomad · Mar 20, 2003

The more I study and the more I seek the Lord, the more I find I don't know and the more sinful I find myself. I am encouraged though, for God has spoken that I am only to trust (Lord, please help me in this area), and stop trying to second guess Him so much.

Thank you father for reeann and what she has written here.

I have come into the knowledge of your truth and have found myself so unworthy of you that I kept myself from you.  But Father you have lifted up my eyes to you and have said to me you are first my child and I love you for who you are. I will never leave you or forsake you.

nomad · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 08:00 PM Hesmyall said this in Post #6

I have spoke in other tongues after being baptized in the Holy Spirit but I didn't go blank.  If you have an experience from God, He will make sure you remember it.  I don't know just what happened to you but it doesn't sound like what I have experienced.

Seek the Lord and ask Him to help you to understand what happened.  I'll be praying for you.

The good part about all of this is, is that it lead me into a quest for greater knowledge of the truth.  I learned more then I ever could have imagined.  Still don't know as much as I would like to tho.

I appreciate your input and prayers.  I know the prayers of my brothers and sisters is going to be a crucial part of my finding what I'm looking for.  So I say thank you with deep appreciation for your prayers on my behalf.

hugoguttman · Mar 20, 2003

I can remember the first time I spoke in tongues... was two months after I accepted Jesus as my Lord. I was in a hospital, lying on a little bed... with a stomach ache. I was waiting for someone to come into the room with some medicine for the pain with my eyes closed... and suddenly... I started to cry. I dont know why yet... but I COULD FEEL SOMEONE WAS IN FRONT OF ME. I COULD NOT SEE ANYONE, BUT I COULD FEEL HIS PRESENCE... I began to remember myself as a little boy and HIM telling me I LOVE YOU. Then I started to speak in some languaje I could not understand. That was one of the best moments in my life. Pain? What pain?
Glory to My Lord Jesus!!!
Hugo.

nomad · Mar 20, 2003

Today at 10:49 PM hugoguttman said this in Post #9

I can remember the first time I spoke in tongues... was two months after I accepted Jesus as my Lord. I was in a hospital, lying on a little bed... with a stomach ache. I was waiting for someone to come into the room with some medicine for the pain with my eyes closed... and suddenly... I started to cry. I dont know why yet... but I COULD FEEL SOMEONE WAS IN FRONT OF ME. I COULD NOT SEE ANYONE, BUT I COULD FEEL HIS PRESENCE... I began to remember myself as a little boy and HIM telling me I LOVE YOU. Then I started to speak in some languaje I could not understand. That was one of the best moments in my life. Pain? What pain?
Glory to My Lord Jesus!!!
Hugo.

I'm happy with you hugoguttman.  The Lord is good. It brings to mind a scripture that says "suffer not the Little children to come unto me."

sbbqb7n16 · Mar 21, 2003

You have already just asked God what you said right?

Jeremiah 33:3

and the whole "he who lacks wisdom should ask of God who gives freely to all"

I'm sure if you are as close to Him as you say you are, He should be more than willing to just tell you what you said. Then judge whether that was from Him or not... or you could ask Him that too. Surely God is more than able to tell you what you said.

My thoughts

Have a great day!

MyangelDems · Mar 21, 2003

Yesterday at 04:47 PM nomad said this in Post #4

Knowing this as being true is why I have been troubled with it for so long.  I take it so seriously that I quit for a time using any spiritual gifts at all for fear of being used as a vessel of satan and not of God.  I even went so far with it that I told God, and he knows my heart about this, I quit until you can fully convince me that It is you working through me. 

This is how it has normally been through out my christian relationship.  If I here a spoken word, it is verified later, or if someone gives to me a word it is verified later.

What I wonder about this paticular situation is this.  We can control the gifts of the spirit by our own will.  The propets of the Old sometimes spoke things to the Kings they didn't want to hear.  Many of them were killed.  I have a great fear of the reaction other people will have to what the Lord would say through me to them.  What the Lord says is not always what we want to hear.  Whats worse, it is not always clear what He means when He does speak.  I was knew to the gifts of the spirit and had a basic understanding of how they are to operate in the church.  I believe they are important if correctly used.  One of the issues at the time was spiritual gifts.  I wonder if the Lord didn't just sedate my mind for my own emotional well being.  I may never know.

There have been some other instances where I was in full control of my faculties and spoke a word and the reactions were "stone him" so to speak.  I began to loose my confidence in this area and began questioning very seriously who the spirit was that spoke through me.  It has always been confirmed after being tested.

I've found that most folks in churchs that I have visited don't have the depth of knowledge of spiritual things that could help me.  Basically they pretty much told me the same thing you guys posted.

The good part about all of this is, is that it lead me into a quest for greater knowledge of the truth.  I learned more then I ever could have imagined.  Still don't know as much as I would like to tho.

Well thanks for your input.  I guess I'll just have to wait upon the Lord for answers to some of these deeper questions that haunt me.

This will always happen because people don't want to hear or know the TRUTH, they would rather go on being blind as bats and they get quite upset when you rain on their parade. I do not think the incident at the bible study was a spirit speaking through you, I think God put you to sleep because of the what He was having you say. The reactions of people, (not the physical ones, but the spiritual ones) can do a great deal of damage, especially if those people come in numbers. People will avoid certain truths and they will accept others...it has always been this way. I have been put to sleep, and like you I thought something was wrong I sincerely could not remember what I had said, but people were definitely unsettled, until a year later when people confessed, and I begin to see that it wasnt something I'd done wrong, it was something I'd revealed about them that they'd done that was wrong. It was something the church had been ignoring for years and years, and here I was little more than a child telling out loud their wrongs. Yeah people get unsettled....

And they wont have the knowledge either, you'll search and search and wonder if there is just somebody God has that you can talk to that won't freak out....and there really isnt, we're all different some of us are just far more different than others.

It does seem to make you seek God more diligently, cuz youre pretty freaked by the reactions. Takes a long time to learn something that isnt the norm and probably will never be, so thus there arent a great many books written on it, or bible studies done on it, or researched verses on it.

Yep, you will have to wait upon the Lord for deeper questions because nobody else will ever give them to you....they just plain don't know and most will never quite get it and you will almost always get a reply saying "You should ask God's forgiveness immediately and repent" but the one that really cracks me up is this, "Talk to God and He will tell you what is right and what is the truth, and I will pray for your soul" eh....yeah hmmm what part of I was praying at the time didnt they get? (paraphrasing, all this really means is you must be evil evil evil for such a thing to be able to happen to you when it has never happened to me)

People don't seem to realize that God doesn't always have good "messages" for you, but they want only good things, always good things, anything else tends to be branded evil or "not of God" Guess most of the old testament prophets were "not of God" either because most of them had the absolute worst things to tell you. So thus, their reactions are "stone 'em quick like".......ah to be of the norm, surely there can't be anything else quite like it in the world.

PS-I think there is someone in the bible whom was "put to sleep". I will go home and see if I've got the passage marked. Pehraps it might ease your mind a bit.

nomad · Mar 21, 2003

Today at 10:13 PM MyangelDems said this in Post #12

This will always happen because people don't want to hear or know the TRUTH, they would rather go on being blind as bats and they get quite upset when you rain on their parade. I do not think the incident at the bible study was a spirit speaking through you, I think God put you to sleep because of the what He was having you say. The reactions of people, (not the physical ones, but the spiritual ones) can do a great deal of damage, especially if those people come in numbers. People will avoid certain truths and they will accept others...it has always been this way. I have been put to sleep, and like you I thought something was wrong I sincerely could not remember what I had said, but people were definitely unsettled, until a year later when people confessed, and I begin to see that it wasnt something I'd done wrong, it was something I'd revealed about them that they'd done that was wrong. It was something the church had been ignoring for years and years, and here I was little more than a child telling out loud their wrongs. Yeah people get unsettled....

And they wont have the knowledge either, you'll search and search and wonder if there is just somebody God has that you can talk to that won't freak out....and there really isnt, we're all different some of us are just far more different than others.

It does seem to make you seek God more diligently, cuz youre pretty freaked by the reactions. Takes a long time to learn something that isnt the norm and probably will never be, so thus there arent a great many books written on it, or bible studies done on it, or researched verses on it.

Yep, you will have to wait upon the Lord for deeper questions because nobody else will ever give them to you....they just plain don't know and most will never quite get it and you will almost always get a reply saying "You should ask God's forgiveness immediately and repent" but the one that really cracks me up is this, "Talk to God and He will tell you what is right and what is the truth, and I will pray for your soul" eh....yeah hmmm what part of I was praying at the time didnt they get? (paraphrasing, all this really means is you must be evil evil evil for such a thing to be able to happen to you when it has never happened to me)

People don't seem to realize that God doesn't always have good "messages" for you, but they want only good things, always good things, anything else tends to be branded evil or "not of God" Guess most of the old testament prophets were "not of God" either because most of them had the absolute worst things to tell you. So thus, their reactions are "stone 'em quick like".......ah to be of the norm, surely there can't be anything else quite like it in the world.

PS-I think there is someone in the bible whom was "put to sleep". I will go home and see if I've got the passage marked. Pehraps it might ease your mind a bit.

God Bless You in a way appropriate for a Queen.  After reading your post and reflecting back to the situation I remember feeling a strength that only comes from the Holy Spirit after I awoke.  I also remember after this experience hearing in the "spirit" that there was some agreement to what was said while in this "sleep state". At the time I was still learning about Gods voice but now I look back and remember that it was the Pastor thoughts that was in agreement and that he was reflecting on what had been said by aligning it with scripture in himself. Whatever it was that God said rattled people enough to make them not want to tell me and some to avoid me altogether.  Thats where the strength I felt come in.  I don't think I could have handled it without that strength.

I was going through some real changes at the time.  I went to a Church and one of the members laid hands on me and the Spirit of God fell on me and I just dropped to the floor.  I will never forget it.  I felt a peace beyond understanding I'll never forget.  I think some kind of annointing was given to me because of what started happening after that.

My now exwife freaked and thought I belonged to a cult and quickly divorced me and threw me out.  I know what trash feels like thats for sure.  Of course theres more to it but I won't go into it.

Anyway, due to all of those circumstances I really, even to this day have had it down in my heart that God knew I couldn't handle what He was going to say and that I might apply what He said to myself.  I think He was just looking out for me while going about His business.

I'm truly glad to see you don't limit God to His ability or His written word.  There really is more to Him then His paper love letters to us.  He's the real deal and He's awesome.  I'll take Him over the Bible any day. :bow:

Dopeuter · Mar 22, 2003

Nomad, I am not to shore what happened with you and weather it was god or not but I do know that I myself have experienced trances and visions and other things that come from god and yet I get rejected by Christians for even daring to share or prophecy it.
Prophets do fall into trances often and afterwards it can be hard to comprehend what youve seen in many cases until god confirms it. Hear are scriptures that show a few places were gods people went into trances and if you look at the old testament , the OT prophets used to provoke a trance on themselves through music and different methods and in the trance they would prophesy.
I am not suggesting that it was god that gave you this trance because I dont know. That would have to come with confirmation from god but what I do know is that I myself have fallen into a trance and come out of it knowing I have seen weird and wonderful things and yet, not been able to even wrap my brain around it until I had spent a lot of prayer and fasting to see the interpretation and confirmation from god, which did come and it changed the whole course of my life. I had to ignore the condemnation and rejection of Christians to do this thou because otherwise I would have just believed it was the devil and I wouldnt have been baptised, which was what god was showing me at this time. I had only been a Christian 4 weeks at this time and since then, I have had many , many experiences. I wouldnt trust the opinion of modern Christianity mate, do some research on ancient prophets of god and the new testaments apostles because they defiantly did experience weird and wonderful visions and trances that offended other Christians to the point were they were doubted, IE. Peter went into a trance and god told him that the gentiles were clean and that was totally against the Christendom of that day but god doesnt do things they way we insist he does, he does it the way he wants to and has always done it.
If you asked god to speak through you and you asked with your heart through Jesus Christ , then remember that he will not give you a stone if you ask for bread or a snake when you ask for fish. I would find out what you said from someone personally and if they arent honest or straight enough to tell you, then you are in the wrong place mate and maybe you should find a church that isnt scared of god.

Most prophets scare the hell clean out of people, especially dry Christians, so dont be surprised if it was god. Dont put god in a box , he will do as he pleases even if it does scare the hell out of those around him.

Numbers 24
3 And he took up his parable, and said, Balaam the son of Boer hath said, and the man whose eyes are open hath said:
4 He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:
5 How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, and thy tabernacles, O Israel!

Acts 10
9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Acts 22
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptised, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;
18 And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me.

nomad · Mar 22, 2003

If you asked god to speak through you and you asked with your heart through Jesus Christ , then remember that he will not give you a stone if you ask for bread or a snake when you ask for fish.

Dopeuter,

God bless you and I mean what I say.  This verse really fits.  I belong to Jesus, Jesus is Lord.  How could an unclean spirit then speak through me.

Follow me on this one.  Even if what came out was unclean, it would be God repeating the hearts of the unclean.  Much like if I saw a bad word on tv and repeated it.  God does reveal to me sin in people, but cleans it up by using His word.  It's difficult to describe actually.  The intent is so that I know what to pray for and what to do to help.

 

9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

This verse also has special meaning to me because this is what sort of happens when I pray for people or when God is revealing something to me. I can stop if I want, but I usually to curious to do so.  Isn't God good.

 

Most prophets scare the hell clean out of people, especially dry Christians, so dont be surprised if it was god. Dont put god in a box , he will do as he pleases even if it does scare the hell out of those around him.

I like how you put "don't put God in a box".  One of the first things I remember in my early days with the Lord is not to even confine Him to the written word.  I looked at the bible and thought to myself I want to be with the One who had it written and be with Him when He shows me what He had written and not vice a versa.  Face to Face not through a letter so to speak.

The Lord helped me to write some words of His that you may enjoy reading.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/39232-6.html

Go down towards the bottom of the page you'll see the "rhema" word I wrote and Gerry's interpretation which really blessed me.

Thanks so much for your wonderful words and scripture quotes.

Dopeuter · Mar 22, 2003

Nomad, thanks for putting me on to that link, it spoke to me more than you could know. I am at huge cross roads and I needed this so much. thanks for your wisdom and your spirit filled words.

Follow me on this one. Even if what came out was unclean, it would be God repeating the hearts of the unclean. Much like if I saw a bad word on TV and repeated it. God does reveal to me sin in people, but cleans it up by using His word. It's difficult to describe actually. The intent is so that I know what to pray for and what to do to help.

I experience this to mate , I figure it is the gift of discernment. it is very uncanny how I can see into the spirit of people and discern there attitudes and that reviles there sin. I totally relate to this and it always helps me wittness to them on a level that I can deal with the spirit that is binding them.
do you notice how people try to cover it all up and make out you are assuming things but through the spirit of god, you know they are covering it up and failing dismally??
I want to paiste something hear that I recon you are going to be able to relate to. I will do it on a separate post.

I like how you put "don't put God in a box". One of the first things I remember in my early days with the Lord is not to even confine Him to the written word. I looked at the bible and thought to myself I want to be with the One who had it written and be with Him when He shows me what He had written and not vice a versa. Face to Face not through a letter so to speak.

We seem to have a lot in common Nomad because I learned the same thing at a very early stage of my Christianity because when I became a Christian , I couldn't even read and write. I only knew god through faith and he taught me to read because I was so hungry for the scriptures and what they said, so I learned to read through scripture although I was always awear that Jesus was the true word of god, not a book. The book was written by those filled with our faith in god through Jesus by the holy ghost , so it is vital for faith building but it isn't all of who god is.
I sometimes think of Abraham being told to sacrifice Isaac. We know why he did that but thats besides the point, my point is , what if Abraham told his friends that god had told him to sacrifice his son. His friends would have said, no way Abs, god did not tell you that because it is against his ways. the fact is he did tell him too.
Again, Ezekiel was told by god to eat human excrement before all of Israel but Ezekiel wouldnt because it was so much against all of gods written law, so god told him to eat cow dung before Israel but again Ezekiel said, no lord, it is against your laws. god commanded him to do it and so he did, against all of the law and Israel and Mosses .
I love watching god do things that cause the majority of religious people to reject what the spirit is doing because it separates the false from the real and I recon you are fair dinkum real mate. Real Christians are awear of the presence of god and the love of god. False Christians dont even believe god speaks to them and they have no understanding of gods love for us, only fear.

reeann · Mar 22, 2003

Today at 05:53 AM nomad said this in Post #13 

  I'll take Him over the Bible any day.

While your post was awesome, my friend, this part disturbed me.  God will never reveal anything to us that does not AGREE with the Bible. It is His perfect Word.

 

Matthew 4:4  But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN

SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY

WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.

Matthew 13:23   "And the one on whom seed was sown on the

good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands

it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold,

some sixty, and some thirty."

Luke 8
15   "But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have

heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and

bear fruit with perseverance

God's Word is eternal:

Matthew 24
35   "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not

pass away.

 

Dopeuter · Mar 22, 2003

reeann,
How would you explain my observations of Abraham and Ezekiel in this equation???

nomad · Mar 22, 2003

While your post was awesome, my friend, this part disturbed me. God will never reveal anything to us that does not AGREE with the Bible. It is His perfect Word.

I'll take Him over the Bible any day.

reeann,

Well lets undisturb you.

I knew when I wrote it someone was going to bring me under the gun about it.  That's Okay.

Let me be more specific what I meant when I said "I would take The Lord over the Bible any day".  When I wrote it I was envisioning a scenario where I had to choose Jesus or the Bible.  I would take Jesus simply because He is the word, He is God and He Lives. 

John 1:1-In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God

The Bible is a book with words written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit.  If I have Jesus, I have not only the entire Bible, but I have Him as well and then some.  He could share with me volumes about himself that the Bible does not.  One of the disciples if I remember correctly said something to the effect of "it would take volumes to describe Jesus and the things He done".

Also when I wrote this, I was envisioning a story.

A young woman would recieve letters from a man that she never saw before.  The man lived in a country far away.  They began there writing to one another and fell in love.  The woman only new of the man by what he wrote about himself and the goings on where he lived.  From time to time he would call her and talk with her and send her pictures.  One day the man decided to ask her to be his wife.  She agrees and the man comes for her.  She was so thrilled.  He and her spent time together and she couldn't believe how much more there was of him in person.  He then took her home to be with him in his land and again the words he had written and even the pictures didn't adequately reflect the beauty of his home and country

Still disturbed?  My middle name is disturbed

Dopeuter · Mar 22, 2003

Sorry for all the lines, it was the only way I could keep the set out. it isn't exactly relivent to the thread but I thaught you might find this interesting nomad.

Hear is a bit of a run down on the opposing spirits and character Trates that oppose us when we walk in the fruit of the spirit. We must fight against these spirits when they come against us and try to steal our peace or Joy or what ever it was sent to do. If we have Joy and depression enters, we can Identify with that spirit and come against it. The spirit of depression can not remain were the spirit of Joy is. For example, if we have joy and we loose it to the opposing forces of depression and despair. This is were we put on the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness because the two can not be in the same place at one time so if we put on the garment of praise, it brings the joy of the lord and depression must flee from us. It can not remain while an opposing spirit of god comes into our soul. this is the case for each one of these fruits of the spirit.

Counterfeit manifestations of Christs character

Holy Ghost - --------------spiritual forces --------------------powers -------------------------principalities
Gal 5:13-26----------------demonic thoughts---------------demonic habits ----------------demonic control

Love ------------------------- resentment ------------------------hatred ---------------------------murder
---------------------------------Bitterness
--------------------------------- jealousy

Joy --------------------------- depression ----------------------hopelessness ------------------------ suicide
-------------------------------Discouragement
--------------------------------- Despair

Peace --------------------------tension ----------------------------- fear ---------------------------insanity
---------------------------------Worry
---------------------------------Confusion

Patience ------------------------ impatience ----------------------- wrath ---------------------------violence
------------------------------------Temper
---------------------------------disharmony

Kindness-------------------------indifference ------------------unreasonableness ------------------cruelty
----------------------------------- callousness
-----------------------------------selfishness

Goodness -----------------------uncleanliness------------------------immorality ------------------depravity
---------------------------- Thought, word and deeds ---------------fornication

Faithfulness --------------------unbelief, disbelief -------------------false religion ----------------- blasphemy
------------------------------------ Disloyalty ----------------------------------------------------------against the
-------------------------------------backslide ----------------------------------------------------------Holy ghost

Gentleness-------------------------unteachable spirit -----------------rebellion --------------------perversion
(humility)-------------------------- self exhortation ------------------deception ----------------- occult control
-------------------------------------------Pride

Self control -------------------------self indulgence --------------------emotional --------------------- maniac---------------------------------Compulsive behaviour --------------------instability
----------------------------------------Gossip, slander ------------------physical deteriation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Addiction

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