Big Bang Update

[archaeologist]

here is the latest report that has reached the public and many probably are well aware of this developement. i will highlight, not take out of context, certain sentences that need more scrutiny. first the link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20070701/sc_space/glimpseoftimebeforebigbangpossible

Unfortunately, any such picture will always be fuzzy at best due to a kind of "cosmic forgetfulness

translation: really it isn't our fault.

To see how far into history one might gaze, theoretical physicist Martin Bojowald at Pennsylvania State University ran calculations based on loop quantum gravity, one of a number of competing theories seeking to explain how the underlying structure of the universe works

in other words: tag your 'it'. the one with the best wishful thinking wins.

Scientists could spot clues in the present day of what the cosmos looked like previously. If evidence of the past persisted after the Big Bang

translation: we really can't see into thepast but we got to look like we are doing something..

However, Bojowald also figures some knowledge of the past was irrevocably lost. For instance, the sheer size of the present universe would suppress precise knowledge of how the universe changed in size before the Big Bang, he said

in other words: we will never know or find the answers, but we will keep looking because we want to support our families.

It came as a big surprise that some properties of the universe before the Big Bang may have only such a weak influence on current observations that they are practically undetermined," Bojowald said of findings detailed online July 1 in the journal Nature Physics.

translation: what we said before may be wrong and what we are saying now may be wrong but we will say them anyways.

"The eternal recurrence of absolutely identical universes would seem to be prevented by the apparent existence of an intrinsic cosmic forgetfulness," he added.

translated: God only created one universe but i can't say that or i will lose my funding.

These findings differ from a cyclic model of the cosmos from cosmologist Paul Steinhardt at Princeton and theoretical physicist Neil Turok at Cambridge, which envisions an infinite series of Big Bangs preceding our universe caused by additional membranes or "branes" of reality perpetually colliding and bouncing off each other

in other words: the battle is on to see who is more scientific than the other.

Cosmologist Carlo Rovelli at the Center of Theoretical Physics in Marseilles, France, found it "remarkable" that the new work could delve past the Big Bang. He added the work had to lead to predictions that could be compared to cosmological observations "in order to become credible

translation: let's keep playing the game so we keep our money rolling in.

seriously, this is why secular science cannot be used by the believer. it can never come close to seeing what God has hidden or nor changing the Biblical account. His word stands true. with the past gone, all a researcher can do is guess and who wants that on their conscience when they have to face God at the final judgment?

 

[Dannager]

Except they're not guessing.

To say that those translations are poor would be an understatement.

 

[KerrMetric]

Two of the people in the report I know personally. And to say they are the kind of people who'd fudge things to keep the "money rolling in" is pure stupidity of the first magnitude.

I guarantee either of them if they wanted to make money could have long ago gone to work on Wall Street writing/coding mathematical models of economics and made 50 times what they have as physics professors.

 

[archaeologist]

i amsure you missed this little word:

seriously

which indicated i was not being serious prior to that word being written.

 

[Dannager]

i amsure you missed this little word:



which indicated i was not being serious prior to that word being written.

I don't care how serious you were being beforehand. Your intent was clear. You don't get to hide behind that.

 

[archaeologist]

so now you know what my intent was...amazing i didn't realize that mind reading was a gift of the Spirit.

it was purely humourous up until the end, if you can't accept that, that is your problem

 

[Dannager]

it was purely humourous up until the end, if you can't accept that, that is your problem

The fact that the end wasn't intended humorously is what bothered me. And you intended the rest of the post in a disparaging manner, whether you are willing to admit it or not.

 

[Gus2009]

The whole thing reminded me of something one might see on the Colbert Report.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

No time to reply now, wife is migrating for the summer to San Diego tomorrow, but I'll be in later on.

 

[KokoTheGorilla]

No time to reply now, wife is migrating for the summer to San Diego tomorrow

Koko joke is "Rudolph wife is bird?"

Don't angry, Koko not seriously!

 

[KokoTheGorilla]

Hi Koko. Nice to see you. How is KokoBridge forum going? Any new cult members busted?

Kokobridge is going well, please drop in sometime!

On the cult front I've bee taking a bit of a break, needed to recharge my batteries. Getting my powers back. Brahma Kumaris looks like being a group I'll focus on more, and the upcoming trial of Jung Myung-seok will be crazy!

I started a thread here somewhere about the JMS cult, no one read it! jmscult dot com <-- I still can't post links yet.

I read the article Archie brought up, interesting stuff.
I don't quite see why Archie showed so much disdain for the article and the scientists involved. Glad he posted the article though, I hadn't read anything like that for too long.