Biden's Social Security and SSI Plan Would Life 1.4 million out of poverty

cow451 · Oct 22, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Everyone - republicans and democrats alike - agree that Obama's healthcare system is horrible and needs replaced with something better..

Biden had a hand in putting that disaster together and has no intention of doing anything more than doubling down on it, so if you want universal healthcare Biden is not your man.

The problem in Congress is though republicans and democrats alike both want the aca replaced with something better, neither side is willing to sit down and figure out together what would be acceptable to both groups.

This issue isn't Trump, it's been going on before Trump and will go on after he's gone. To blame Trump for the mess that congress is is to turn a blind eye to congress as a whole. Both sides are doing their fair share of digging in their heels.

On Universal healthcare I would dig in my own heels, I think its an atrocious plan, but I am open to plans that actually solve problems and don't compound them... I would, and most America would, like to see both sides get together in the spirit of problem solving healthcare in this country....

We all (the populace) have to decide what our middle ground compromise is, and then let our representatives know.

I've been in the healthcare business for over 40 years. First, Universal coverage does not have to be single payer. The problems cannot be solved without universal coverage. Achieving universal coverage would require filling in the gaps, probably with a "public plan" accessible to everyone.

The GOP has done zip about healthcare that is constructive. The moderates in Congress have been run out of town and the remaining adults have no one to work with.

If Trump wins another term, nothing substantive is likely to happen. If Biden wins and the Democrats take Congress there will be another run at healthcare reform. If the balance in the Senate is close, a bipartisan approach is possible as long as Trump is out of office.

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Hazelelponi · Oct 22, 2020

cow451 said:
I've been in the healthcare business for over 40 years. First, Universal coverage does not have to be single payer. The problems cannot be solved without universal coverage. Achieving universal coverage would require filling in the gaps, probably with a "public plan" accessible to everyone.

The GOP has done zip about healthcare that is constructive. The moderates in Congress have been run out of town and the remaining adults have no one to work with.

If Trump wins another term, nothing substantive is likely to happen. If Biden wins and the Democrats take Congress there will be another run at healthcare reform. If the balance in the Senate is close, a bipartisan approach is possible as long as Trump is out of office.

That's wishful thinking right there.. lol.

At any rate, the GOP have a halfway decent plan... no democrat will work with them, however, to chip in their thoughts and come together on a plan that can be agreed upon.

Hoping this will all magically change with a Biden presidency is nothing more than wishful thinking, and once again, true to form, blaming Trump for every ill...

It's old.

When it comes to it being "close" in Congress again, the dems will just be back to the old "you have to vote on it before you can read what's in it" addage, for proposed bills.

Speedwell · Oct 22, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
At any rate, the GOP have a halfway decent plan... no democrat will work with them, however, to chip in their thoughts and come together on a plan that can be agreed upon.

I've never heard of any plan besides abolishing ACA and returning to the status quo ante with regard to largely employer provided private insurance. Do you have a link or something?

cow451 · Oct 22, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
That's wishful thinking right there.. lol.

At any rate, the GOP have a halfway decent plan... no democrat will work with them, however, to chip in their thoughts and come together on a plan that can be agreed upon.

Hoping this will all magically change with a Biden presidency is nothing more than wishful thinking, and once again, true to form, blaming Trump for every ill...

It's old.

When it comes to it being "close" in Congress again, the dems will just be back to the old "you have to vote on it before you can read what's in it" addage, for proposed bills.

What GOP Plan?

Pommer · Oct 22, 2020

cow451 said:
What GOP Plan?

Two weeks...

98cwitr · Oct 22, 2020

Fantine said:
Biden's Social Security and SSI plan would lift 1.4 million out of poverty, study finds

His plan would suspend Social Security taxes from between $132,900 annually (the current Social Security maximum) and $400,000 annually, but once the threshold of $400,000 had been reached, any additional salary would be subject to the Social Security tax of 6.2%.
Other features are included in the article.

I think it is a good idea, and as we all know, workers in the top 1% of the salary scale received the overwhelming majority of tax cut benefits and should have little reason to complain.

Compare this to Trump, who wants to end the payroll tax and bankrupt the Social Security system instead of keeping it viable for future generations.

I would like to just get out of SSI and Medicare all together please. Can we get an opt-out option?

Regardless; what people put into SSI, they should be able to get back out. It's their money. This should be viewed as public savings (as it was intended), not a tax.

Pommer · Oct 22, 2020

98cwitr said:
I would like to just get out of SSI and Medicare all together please. Can we get an opt-out option?

Regardless; what people put into SSI, they should be able to get back out. It's their money. This should be viewed as public savings (as it was intended), not a tax.

If we’re doing “wish-lists” one of mine would be to eliminate the “FICA CAP”

cow451 · Oct 22, 2020

98cwitr said:
I would like to just get out of SSI and Medicare all together please. Can we get an opt-out option?

Regardless; what people put into SSI, they should be able to get back out. It's their money. This should be viewed as public savings (as it was intended), not a tax.

Nobody plans to become disabled. It is not a career goal. How do you propose to help disabled people?

98cwitr · Oct 23, 2020

cow451 said:
Nobody plans to become disabled. It is not a career goal. How do you propose to help disabled people?

churches and charities are best because they not only provide financial support, but also build relationships with the people they're helping. Emotional and psychological support are just as important as monetary. Wounded Warrior Project is a good example. Also, I'm not saying just throw SSI completely away, but give people who don't want to be a part of that failing system a chance to get out of it while they can.

And yes, some people intentionally become disabled: Becoming disabled by choice, not chance: 'Transabled' people feel like impostors in their fully working bodies | National Post

Google "transabled"

98cwitr · Oct 23, 2020

Pommer said:
If we’re doing “wish-lists” one of mine would be to eliminate the “FICA CAP”

Hey, if we did happen to get rid of SSI, there's no need for FICA, and there should be no caps on 401k/457 contributions like there is now.

cow451 · Oct 23, 2020

98cwitr said:
churches and charities are best because they not only provide financial support, but also build relationships with the people they're helping. Emotional and psychological support are just as important as monetary. Wounded Warrior Project is a good example. Also, I'm not saying just throw SSI completely away, but give people who don't want to be a part of that failing system a chance to get out of it while they can.

And yes, some people intentionally become disabled: Becoming disabled by choice, not chance: 'Transabled' people feel like impostors in their fully working bodies | National Post

Google "transabled"

They are still disabled. Psychiatric problems like these people have are disabilities. They did not choose to become delusional. Sheesh.

And churches cannot take in the mammoth load of disabled people and their needs

cow451 · Oct 23, 2020

98cwitr said:
Hey, if we did happen to get rid of SSI, there's no need for FICA, and there should be no caps on 401k/457 contributions like there is now.

How are we going to pay for the soup kitchens and barracks for the indentured servants?

98cwitr · Oct 23, 2020

cow451 said:
How are we going to pay for the soup kitchens and barracks for the indentured servants?

Soup kitchens are already run by private charities and churches. "Indentured servants"???? I'm sure you're simply being sarcastic.

98cwitr · Oct 23, 2020

cow451 said:
They are still disabled. Psychiatric problems like these people have are disabilities. They did not choose to become delusional. Sheesh.

I think that's a presumption at best. Again, google "transabled"

And churches cannot take in the mammoth load of disabled people and their needs

Sure they can! It's about comminuties actually helping their neighbors and not pawning off the job of the Church onto the government (real separation of Church and State), especially if we repealed SSI, Medicare, and the 16th amendment. People would have a lot more money to help others as well as their own families while ending government programs which create and sustain systemic poverty in America.

cow451 · Oct 23, 2020

98cwitr said:
Soup kitchens are already run by private charities and churches. "Indentured servants"???? I'm sure you're simply being sarcastic.

Given you got no plan...

FireDragon76 · Oct 23, 2020

Arc F1 said:
47 years and now he has a plan? He was willing to cut it before. Why the change of heart?

Politics was a two way street those 47 years. Look, I've been alive 43 of those years, and Republicans have been cynical and greedy skinflints the whole time who would rather give tax breaks to billionaires. Of course they generally fought any kind of progressive income tax in Congress... tooth and nail.

cow451 · Oct 23, 2020

98cwitr said:
I think that's a presumption at best. Again, google "transabled"
Sure they can! It's about comminuties actually helping their neighbors and not pawning off the job of the Church onto the government (real separation of Church and State), especially if we repealed SSI, Medicare, and the 16th amendment. People would have a lot more money to help others as well as their own families while ending government programs which create and sustain systemic poverty in America.

98cwitr said:
I think that's a presumption at best. Again, google "transabled"

BIID is a disabling condition. Regardless of whether you consider it a psychiatric disorder or neurological disorder or not is not changing it into something not disabling. Your inability to understand delusional compulsive thinking is sad. Regardless, it is a RARE disorder and a red herring in this discussion.

Sure they can! It's about comminuties actually helping their neighbors and not pawning off the job of the Church onto the government (real separation of Church and State), especially if we repealed SSI, Medicare, and the 16th amendment. People would have a lot more money to help others as well as their own families while ending government programs which create and sustain systemic poverty in America.

Let’s do an experiment. Assuming you are disabled, tell Social Security you do not want to receive SSDI. Then stop using Medicare and Medicaid. And no Food Stamps or public housing.

Then tell your church that you need whatever amount of money to replace your check. And you require them to cover all your healthcare needs. And you’re going to need free housing and food

Get back to us with your church’s plan for your welfare. Oh, let’s not forget the benefits for your minor children.

FireDragon76 · Oct 23, 2020

cow451 said:
BIID is a
Then tell your church that you need whatever amount of money to replace your check. And you require them to cover all your healthcare needs. And you’re going to need free housing and food

Get back to us with your church’s plan for your welfare. Oh, let’s not forget the benefits for your minor children.

Good luck with that. My church was lucky to buy a few chickens for an African village once a year.

The notion that churches can fill in the gap in social welfare is just irresponsible fantasy, of course. They were never all that good at that anyways in the modern era. Which is why most western countries had to have political movements based on social justice and labor rights in the first place.

iluvatar5150 · Oct 24, 2020

98cwitr said:
I think that's a presumption at best. Again, google "transabled"

Sure they can! It's about comminuties actually helping their neighbors and not pawning off the job of the Church onto the government (real separation of Church and State), especially if we repealed SSI, Medicare, and the 16th amendment. People would have a lot more money to help others as well as their own families while ending government programs which create and sustain systemic poverty in America.

FireDragon76 said:
Good luck with that. My church was lucky to buy a few chickens for an African village once a year.

The notion that churches can fill in the gap in social welfare is just irresponsible fantasy, of course. They were never all that good at that anyways in the modern era. Which is why most western countries had to have political movements based on social justice and labor rights in the first place.

Not only is it an irresponsible fantasy, but it’s one that is easily debunked.

All charitable giving in the US totaled about $450 billion in 2019.
Charitable Giving Statistics | NPTrust

The SSI budget is $56 billion:
Policy Basics: Supplemental Security Income

The SNAP budget is about $68 billion:
Policy Basics: The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

Medicaid is $592 billion
Total Medicaid Spending

Medicare is $644 billion
Budget Basics: Medicare

Social Security outlays about $1 trillion
Summary: Actuarial Status of the Social Security Trust Funds

Please explain to me how cutting our taxes would quadruple our charitable giving.

Arc F1 · Oct 24, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
Politics was a two way street those 47 years. Look, I've been alive 43 of those years, and Republicans have been cynical and greedy skinflints the whole time who would rather give tax breaks to billionaires. Of course they generally fought any kind of progressive income tax in Congress... tooth and nail.

Wouldn't you agree that those tax breaks helped your local small business? It's the little guys who ended up paying the highest rate not the millionaires. Small business is taxed to death. 35 percent self employment, 2 percent of gross to every city and county you work in. Contractor fees, license fees, mandatory schooling, employee health care and retirement. The list goes on and on. The higher all those costs go the less companies can put in the pay checks. It's no wonder we as a nation buy everything from low wage countries, we can't afford American costs. If I remember correctly my cost was 60 plus hr before I made a dime.

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