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Biden Pardons - 2,500 drug offenders - breaks a record

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Everywhere pretty much.
That's pretty vague. Not trying to give you a hard time but so far to me it seems like theory based on a small Arctic country where most everyone is the same ethnicity with the same cultural background.
 
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But God did not pardon them, unless they asked to be pardoned eternally, which is not temporally. But He also said He will not be mcked " as as you sow you reap"...... so be careful. But really Biden is the crafty evil servant seeking to buy an internal abode. Maybe in his insanity he will.
 
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That's pretty vague. Not trying to give you a hard time but so far to me it seems like theory based on a small Arctic country where everyone is the same ethnicity with the same cultural background.
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There are other types of courts as well including mental health courts ( for people whose crimes are releated to their mental health) and veterans courts for people whose military service led to issues with either drugs or alcohol or mental issues like TBI or PTSD

Now, I will say that the problem solving courts are more labor intentive for judges. This is because instead of basically sentening someone and sending them off or sentencing someone and they come back for pregress reports or only if they violate probation you are in the lives of these people for months or years ( every week at the biginning, but it reduces the crime rate and even when it "fails" and the person is remaned to prison often times they still learn something from the program and are less likely to re-offend than they would have been without the program at all.

here is an example of an inceration program that has had those effects

 
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But God did not pardon them, unless they asked to be pardoned eternally, which is not temporally. But He also said He will not be mcked " as as you sow you reap"...... so be careful. But really Biden is the crafty evil servant seeking to buy an internal abode. Maybe in his insanity he will.
Hello and welcome to CF & forum 909!
I noticed in your first post that you got your own thoughts got caught up in the quoted material…if one hits the RETURN button a couple of times it’ll make sure that the rest of us will know where the quoted material ends and your missive begins.

You are correct in pointing out that a Presidential pardon does not confer any merit with the Christian God, but then I have been told that we don’t “elect pastors”.
 
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There are other types of courts as well including mental health courts ( for people whose crimes are releated to their mental health) and veterans courts for people whose military service led to issues with either drugs or alcohol or mental issues like TBI or PTSD

Now, I will say that the problem solving courts are more labor intentive for judges. This is because instead of basically sentening someone and sending them off or sentencing someone and they come back for pregress reports or only if they violate probation you are in the lives of these people for months or years ( every week at the biginning, but it reduces the crime rate and even when it "fails" and the person is remaned to prison often times they still learn something from the program and are less likely to re-offend than they would have been without the program at all.

here is an example of an inceration program that has had those effects

I'm sorry but I'm still not seeing where this has made any improvement to major urban areas with a major drug problem. It seems more like it's working in small areas that probably didn't have that big of a drug problem to begin with. It's not that I'm against the concept, but so far it seems to be just that regarding big places with a big drug problem. And those places are the ones with the most liberal approach to drug use and crime.
 
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I'm sorry but I'm still not seeing where this has made any improvement to major urban areas with a major drug problem. It seems more like it's working in areas that probably didn't have that big of a drug problem to begin with. It's not that I'm against the concept, but so far it seems to be just that regarding big places with a big drug problem. And those places are the ones with the most liberal approach to drug use and crime.
Well yes the person first has to actually be arrested, so if there are no charges brought then of course the court does not get involved for treatment to work. Although treatment will allmost certainly reduce crime whether through the courts or not. However, once a person is ACTUALLY arrested charges are brought and the person gets in court those who complete a drug court program are far less likely to commit more crimes as compared to those who were just sentenced to jail/prison and with whom punishment was the focus.
 
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Well yes the person first has to actually be arrested, so if there are no charges brought then of course the court does not get involved for treatment to work. Although treatment will allmost certainly reduce crime whether through the courts or not. However, once a person is ACTUALLY arrested charges are brought and the person gets in court those who complete a drug court program are far less likely to commit more crimes as compared to those who were just sentenced to jail/prison and with whom punishment was the focus.
My point is that stringent law enforcement and penalties act as a deterrent. When it gets to where people are no longer afraid to break the law, like in San Francisco for example, the drug addicts basically take over.
 
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My point is that stringent law enforcement and penalties act as a deterrent. When it gets to where people are no longer afraid to break the law, like in San Francisco for example, the drug addicts basically take over.
I understand that, but if you have two methods incarceration with very little focus on treatment/addresing the root cause and then there is a method that DOES address the root cause whether incarcertion is part of it or not method A gets people off the street for a few years and they then get out and commit more crimes back and forth back and forth causing 10,000s if not 100,000s of dollars each round and person B gets arrested and with or without incarceration addresses the root cause of their problem gets releassed from supervision never to break the law again and has the skills to be a productive member of society and the tools to address and cope with life/stress ECT in a productive way . Which one is better the one the person does the sentence gets out keeps committing crimes and just keeps getting longer sentences and costing more money while not learning how to cope with their problems or the person who receives such treatment ( even if it is more work for others

That was my point I agree there has to be a level of accountability at the same time if you just focus on accountability (punishment) and do not address the issue nothing changes particularly when today many of the people on drugs are there because they were prescribed them, got hooked were cut off turckey well those people are not just going to get better.
 
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Hello and welcome to CF & forum 909!
I noticed in your first post that you got your own thoughts got caught up in the quoted material…if one hits the RETURN button a couple of times it’ll make sure that the rest of us will know where the quoted material ends and your missive begins.

You are correct in pointing out that a Presidential pardon does not confer any merit with the Christian God, but then I have been told that we don’t “elect pastors”.
 
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Sorry Pommer hello.. l can't figure out how to copy & paist on this site or my new galaxy tab to be able to quote.

But may it be that we always vote for the forgiven and flawed , and that no other choice is really offered. so that we always know the "liberty of the Sons of God", because the sons of hell know no liberty but bondage to something or someone.
 
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Sorry Pommer hello.. l can't figure out how to copy & paist on this site or my new galaxy tab to be able to quote.

But may it be that we always vote for the forgiven and flawed , and that no other choice is really offered. so that we always know the "liberty of the Sons of God", because the sons of hell know no liberty but bondage to something or someone.
You’ll figure the forum out eventually, I’m sure.

This side of the the “debate section” is where the site’s hosts generously allow us heathens to participate.
And while you’re certainly free to proselytize to your heart’s delight, you’ll (probably) need to go to this forum, if you expect to get a hearty round of “amens”.

Have fun and enjoy !
 
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The president is commuting the sentences of nearly 2,500 people convicted of nonviolent drug offenses in the biggest single-day act of clemency.
Under the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986, possession of just 5 grams of crack cocaine carried the same mandatory minimum sentence as 500 grams of powder cocaine. This 100:1 ratio led to much harsher penalties for crack cocaine offenses, which disproportionately affected marginalized communities
 
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