I'm not talking about Hispanics. I'm talking about criminals.
Why do you equate the two?
...you can use any word you like to de-humanize those made in His image.
But you're not talking about criminals.
I'm a criminal, and I know I'm not hurtful.
Martin Luther King saw the inside of more jail cells than you or I ever will -- do you consider him hurtful?
Jesus of Nazareth was tried, convicted, and executed -- was He hurtful?
Have you read Romans 13?
I have -- You still haven't explained how they, I, MLK, or Jesus are "hurtful" criminals.
What was Yahshua's crime?
Are you, or was MLK, an illegal alien?
This thread concerns illegal aliens.
Ah -- for a moment, I thought you were talking about criminals.
We are talking about criminals. I cited the law. Maybe you missed it.
So this thread does concern criminals.
Now you understand.
Illegally crossing the US border is a crime. That makes those who violate this law, criminals. It rudimentary really.
But you said that an "invasion" involves something hurtful.
They are criminals.
I'm a criminal.
Martin Luther King was a criminal.
Jesus of Nazareth was a criminal.
Which of us are hurtful?
One of the big ones is the effect that it has on the American worker. You see, labor is subject to supply and demand just like anything else. When illegals saturate the market with inexpensive labor, it devalues the the labor of Americans, all the way up the ladder. Who benefits the most? The wealthiest.
Illegal invasion is hurtful for many reasons.
One of the big ones is the effect that it has on the American worker. You see, labor is subject to supply and demand just like anything else. When illegals saturate the market with inexpensive labor, it devalues the the labor of Americans, all the way up the ladder. Who benefits the most? The wealthiest.
Agreed.
Hiring illegal labor is a crime -- yet very rarely prosecuted. Why is that?
How do you suppose that our government would enforce it; when illegals go door to door soliciting homeowners for work, at bargain prices? It not like the illegals are filing tax returns?
So how does the government catch them at the homeowners door, after they are dispersed all over the country; when they are inept at stopping them at the border?
I have always wondered why it is the Republicans who have been stalling on e-verify and a national ID card.Start by making e-Verify mandatory across the entire country (and addressing the data quality issues with e-Verify). Ultimately, a national ID card should be required for anytype of employment IMO.
As for the informal economy....there not a thing the government can do to stop that. It's up to individual AMericans to stop that behavior.....including my neighbors who decry illegal immigration and then turn around and hire them to landscape their yard....
Funny -- I was just talking in another thread about an apparent labor shortage.
Because you might want to note that, for example, in agriculture, illegal labor isn't hurting the industry, it's the foundation of it:
Economic Impact of Immigration
- At least 50-70 percent of farm laborers in the country today are unauthorized. Few U.S. workers are willing to fill available farm labor jobs.
Farmworkers, Mostly Undocumented, Become ‘Essential’ During Pandemic (Published 2020)
- The impacts of an enforcement only approach to immigration would be detrimental to the agricultural industry. If agriculture were to lose access to all undocumented workers, agricultural output would fall by $30 to $60 billion.
"About half of all crop hands in the United States, more than one million, are undocumented immigrants, according to the Agriculture Department. Growers and labor contractors estimate that the share is closer to 75 percent.
Despite increased mechanization, the agriculture sector has continued to struggle with a dearth of labor because many fruits and vegetables must be harvested by hand to avoid bruising.
In a 2017 survey of farmers by the California Farm Bureau, 55 percent reported labor shortages, and the figure was nearly 70 percent for those who depend on seasonal workers. Wage increases in recent years have not compensated for the shortfall, growers said."
So you see, these "invaders" are the backbone of the agricultural industry which puts food on your table (not just the tables of the wealthiest), and there still aren't enough to get the job done.
Meanwhile, MLK's criminal acts were certainly hurtful to the economy -- that was, indeed, his entire strategy. But when he came into, say, Birmingham, would you have called it an "invasion"?
As for the informal economy....there not a thing the government can do to stop that. It's up to individual AMericans to stop that behavior.....including my neighbors who decry illegal immigration and then turn around and hire them to landscape their yard....
Oh, I think I see where you're going with this. It's the tired old argument that "they're doing the jobs that no one else will do."
That's a nonsensical argument. People WILL eat. That's a priority for every American.
Americans don't want to do that job because the wages of that have been deflated by illegal labor. If those illegals were expelled; you would see a sharp rise in the demand for food.
You can be assured that farmers would pay a fair wage to their employees to meet that market demand. Don't tell me that if the illegals were expelled; that Americans would stop eating.
All of the Americans who sought that new economic opportunity, would create a labor shortage that would ascend to every other industry. Our labor, which is our time, which is our life, would be restored to a fair value, that couldn't so be so easily exploited by the Fascist Oligarchy.
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