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JoabAnias

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• Name: Joseph R. Biden
• Born: Nov. 20, 1942, Scranton, Pa.
• Education: University of Delaware, history and political science; Syracuse University College of Law
• Religion: Roman Catholic
• Occupation: U.S. Senator from Delaware since 1973

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lol ~ you beat me to the post Joab !!! :p ;)
He has more experience with foreign relations than Obama. That
was one of the main things he was looking for.

It should be interesting ~ the Obama/Biden ticket.

hmmmm . . . wonder who McCain is keeping under wraps ??


All I can say, as far as these elections are concerned: :prayer: :crossrc: :prayer:



 
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He has traded in the faith for fame.

Running with the sponsor of the "Freedom of Choice Act"- Biden has now become an accessory to murder after the fact.

I don't care if he is a Catholic or not, that is very transparent- I am not stupid. Baby butch is still murder and now Biden is one. I am not stupid.
 
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Biden's long Senate track record gives them thousands of votes to pour over, searching for flip flops....

But Biden is in the number 2 spot, and McCain is just as vulnerable on that ground.

I'm not crazy about either party doing this to one another. Usually flip-flops occur when bills that have been introduced and the final draft is significantly different.

Sometimes they occur for expediency (Romney's supporting abortion in order to get elected in Massachusetts, a liberal state, for example.)

He does have a lot of foreign policy and judiciary committee experience (subcommittees on immigration and human rights.)

When Bush picked Cheney as his Veep, it had the spector of an older, more-experienced Machiavellian mentor pulling the strings....but I don't think this would be the case with Biden/Obama.
 
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I think Joe Biden is a great pick. He's been head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and has been deeply involved in foreign policy for a long time (including countless trips overseas and meetings with foreign leaders). I think he actually has significantly more experience than John McCain in the the area of foreign policy, and generally a history of better judgment in that area as well.

Biden also is about as much of a regular guy as you can get in politics. He rode the train from Delaware into Washington and back to go to work each day, graduated from non-Ivy league colleges, and does things like ride around in his old pickup truck dumping mulch on the weekends. He also talks in a very down to earth straight-forward way and should really be able to connect with blue collar votes in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

One thing that might be of interest to Catholics, is that Joe Biden is Catholic, and mentioned in a primary debate when he was running for President when he was asked about his prayer life that he often prays the rosary. And Catholic voters are swing voters in this election.

This guy is a good pick all around. Honestly, if he were the nominee for President, he'd probably be leading by 10 points in the polls pretty easily. A real boon to the ticket, and a very smart pick for Obama. He's the guy I was rooting for to be the pick.
 
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This guy is a good pick all around. Honestly, if he were the nominee for President, he'd probably be leading by 10 points in the polls pretty easily. A real boon to the ticket, and a very smart pick for Obama. He's the guy I was rooting for to be the pick.

No, he's not charismatic enough to be leading in the polls easily.
 
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• Name: Joseph R. Biden
• Born: Nov. 20, 1942, Scranton, Pa.
• Education: University of Delaware, history and political science; Syracuse University College of Law
• Religion: Roman Catholic
• Occupation: U.S. Senator from Delaware since 1973

What do folks think?

I think it's a good choice which will help Obama! :)
 
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I think Joe Biden is a great pick. He's been head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and has been deeply involved in foreign policy for a long time (including countless trips overseas and meetings with foreign leaders). I think he actually has significantly more experience than John McCain in the the area of foreign policy, and generally a history of better judgment in that area as well.

Biden also is about as much of a regular guy as you can get in politics. He rode the train from Delaware into Washington and back to go to work each day, graduated from non-Ivy league colleges, and does things like ride around in his old pickup truck dumping mulch on the weekends. He also talks in a very down to earth straight-forward way and should really be able to connect with blue collar votes in places like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

One thing that might be of interest to Catholics, is that Joe Biden is Catholic, and mentioned in a primary debate when he was running for President when he was asked about his prayer life that he often prays the rosary. And Catholic voters are swing voters in this election.

This guy is a good pick all around. Honestly, if he were the nominee for President, he'd probably be leading by 10 points in the polls pretty easily. A real boon to the ticket, and a very smart pick for Obama. He's the guy I was rooting for to be the pick.

And there is the rub and full of irony, IMO. You state that if he were the nominee for Pres, he'd probably be leading....etc. Darn right. Odd to have a vice much more experienced than the pres contender. Should be reversed with Obama up for vice and Biden for Pres. But things are as they are. His choice might be good but that wouldn't move me toward Obama.

Good post you made. God bless...

-Peace-
 
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Fish, you forgot to mention why he commuted from Delaware to Washington.

When he was a young father of three his wife and infant daughter died in a car crash. His two young sons were seriously injured--some doctors told him they would never fully recover. (Thankfully, they did.)

He wanted to resign from the Senate but supporters urged him to stay. He commuted three hours a day when the Senate was in session so that he could spend as much time with them as possible.

He later remarried and had another daughter.

I don't think that Biden's Catholicism will affect Catholic voters one way or the other, because I think Catholic voters make choices based on issues (singular or plural, take your pick) rather than a candidate's religion.

Are Catholics more outraged and offended when a Catholic is pro-choice than when a Methodist is pro-choice? I'm not outraged and offended at all when a Methodist is pro-choice, because their Church does not prohibit abortion (and in the area of social justice, the Methodist Church puts almost every other church in my city, or perhaps even all of them combined, to shame.)

I do not think it is a scandal if a candidate follows the tenets of his/her Church completely, even if they disagree from the tenets of my church. That was one thing I admired and respected about Hillary Clinton. Her positions fit Methodist policy to a "T." There isn't a single Catholic candidate I can think of who could brag about that. Hillary was a better Methodist than any Catholic politician is a Catholic.

Methodist position on abortion:

Our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures. We cannot affirm abortion as an acceptable means of birth control, and we unconditionally reject it as a means of gender selection.
When a Catholic is pro-choice, I think (s)he should fight within his/her party for greater freedom to follow his/her conscience. Biden apparently started out with only a 36% approval rating from NARAL when he was a young Senator, but it edged up to 99% (although he is not quite as liberal as some, and has sided with Republicans on some abortion bills.)

And during this time, Biden was being reelected again and again and again in a highly Democratic state. Biden had the power and the overwhelming majority that I think he could have bucked the party platform, but he didn't (probably because he had national ambitions in the back of his mind.)

And so yes, I do believe he could have fought to follow his conscience on abortion a little bit more than he did, and I fault him for that. If a legislator with 36 years of longevity, the leader of powerful committees, etc. stood up to the Democratic Party, legislators with not quite as much clout would have felt empowered to do the same.
 
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No, he's not charismatic enough to be leading in the polls easily.

Biden has a certain charisma to him, it's just not as overt as with someone with Obama, and is probably the sort of charisma that is going to appeal more to a certain group of folks than others. It's the kind of thing that'll go over very well in places like Pennylvania and Ohio, but not as well in places like Los Angeles (but the Democrats win places like Calfornia almost no matter what). It's sort of a rust-belt blue-collar regular-guy old-school say-what-you-mean person-of-faith sort of vibe. He's a very genuine person. I think his age actually adds to his charisma with a certain crowd of middle age and older voters that is a bit suspicious of a younger generation and their culture. He actually should appeal to a lot of the Hillary crowd, not the feminist ones, but the older bluecollar voters in West Virginia and so forth who liked her late-campaign stand-up-for-the-little-guy beer-and-shot-drinking populism.

Joe Biden reminds me a bit of Harry Truman, a sort of Democrat we don't see much on the national stage, but who may well be someone widely embraced by the "Reagan Democrats".

It's a good counterbalance to Obama, because I think Obama and Biden are different in styles and each appeal to voting blocks the other doesn't. But you are correct when you say that Biden doesn't have the sort of easy-going nice-smile high-culture youth-movement JFK sort of charisma Obama has. Their styles are very different. But I think they're both good candidates and would move the country in a better direction on must issues -- and fortunately they're a team so I don't have to pick. :)

I might have voted for Biden in the primaries had he stayed in longer and picked up some momentum. I think he was gone by the time my state voted and I wanted to vote for someone with a chance to win. But I always liked the guy, almost instinctively.
 
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Anyone else think it's hilarious that he previously said he'd never be someone's Vp?? Or that Obama was not ready to be president?? LOL!...So much for convictions when greed for power is involved.....

We shouldn't second guess his motives.

Our country is in terrible shape right now, thanks to Bush. I don't think anyone inherited a country in worse shape since FDR took office after Hoover.

What's more, our world is in terrible shape, and our stature in the world is in terrible shape, and who to know better about that than the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee?

The whole country recognizes it--that's why even the Republicans nominated someone who is trying to distance himself from Bush as much as possible.

So if Biden truly believes that we need new leadership and a new vision, and if he believes that he could be helpful in making that come to pass, it's not greed for power--it's plain old common sense.

Why else would he subject himself to expatriate Archbishops sending out daily press releases about what a bad person he is for the next nine weeks? You think campaigning is fun?
 
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We shouldn't second guess his motives.

Our country is in terrible shape right now, thanks to Bush. I don't think anyone inherited a country in worse shape since FDR took office after Hoover.

What's more, our world is in terrible shape, and our stature in the world is in terrible shape, and who to know better about that than the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee?

The whole country recognizes it--that's why even the Republicans nominated someone who is trying to distance himself from Bush as much as possible.

So if Biden truly believes that we need new leadership and a new vision, and if he believes that he could be helpful in making that come to pass, it's not greed for power--it's plain old common sense.

Why else would he subject himself to expatriate Archbishops sending out daily press releases about what a bad person he is for the next nine weeks? You think campaigning is fun?
Yeahhh...these guys are running for president to make the world a better place....suurrrrrre....

He's run for pres twice, got booted out early in the primaries twice. Then said that he'd never be someone's VP, that he'd rather stay in the Senate--until he is offered the VP spot, which is not unknown for yielding to the presidency.
 
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