Biden’s pardon of his son Hunter rattles the political world

[Akita Suggagaki]

The President does not have the authority to jail people.

I am afraid the ardent supporters may support him in anything he wants to do.

 

[Yarddog]

nobody died that day except for a Trump supporter.

That is incorrect. True that a woman died because of her and other's violent attempt to break into locked and barricaded doors. She was shot by officers protecting the Capital and people inside.
Two other Trump supporters died from heart attacks while at the Capital.

A total of 5 officers died following the insurrection. One from a stroke suffered that day and 4 committed suicide as a result of the attack. Just as military veterans are committing suicide because of their experiences, these officers suffered PTSD from injuries suffered at the hands of violent criminals.

 

[Yarddog]

I am afraid the ardent supporters may support him in anything he wants to do.

They may try but I would welcome an investigation because they won't find any evidence which supports their wild conspiracy theories.

 

[lifepsyop]

There absolutely was no J6 hoax. It was public and millions watched as the violent criminals invaded the Capital building, in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying the 2020 election.

nobody still believes this except for cat ladies who get their reality from MSNBC

that's why Trump is your President again. America overwhelmingly rejected your fantasy insurrection narrative.

Officials will not be jailed because everything they did was legal. The President does not have the authority to jail people.

They actively withheld evidence that did not support their insurrection lie.

We'll also find out why individuals like Ray Epps were never charged, even though they were on video encouraging people to "go into the Capitol building"... you don't want to know the answer to that, do you?

One of us wants all of the evidence to come out.

One of us doesn't.

Again, there was no Russian collusion hoax. It was proven that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. What wasn't proven was that the action rose to criminal actions.

MSNBC cat-lady reality.

Again, America rejected this conspiracy theory nonsense.

No one will be going to jail from Biden's administration,

I bet a few months ago you were pretty confident Trump wouldn't be your next President also.

unlike the Trump administration, where numerous criminal charges were proven in a court of law.

you mean where people took plea deals to avoid having their lives ruined. don't worry, just like your "court of law" that was obtaining fraudulent FISA warrants, we'll get to the bottom of that.

the beauty of being on the side of the truth is that you are eager for all the evidence to come out.

Trump may give pardons to the J-6 insurrectionist but they will have to admit guilt before they receive the pardon. Over 700 of the insurrectionists have already pled guilty, proving there was no hoax.

nobody cares because everyone knows they were political prisoners. (that's why Trump is your next President)

if anything, they will wear their J6 convictions as a badge of honor.

I bet you thought Trump was finished when he got that mugshot, right?

 

[lifepsyop]

A total of 5 officers died following the insurrection. One from a stroke suffered that day and 4 committed suicide as a result of the attack. Just as military veterans are committing suicide because of their experiences, these officers suffered PTSD from injuries suffered at the hands of violent criminals.

if this was an actual attempted insurrection, you would be telling me about all the capitol officers who were killed that day, not a small handful who were supposedly traumatized by being shoved and screamed at.

again when you consider the size of the crowd of Trump supporters, it's a testament to their overall lack of aggression and violence that no officers were actually killed wherever rioting broke out. (for some perspective, imagine if this had been a BLM gathering instead. Do you think the Capitol Building would still be there?)

i'm sorry but reality just isn't on your side.

you can keep saying "insurrection" all you want. nobody believes it anymore except for a very small echo chamber.

 

[Yarddog]

if this was an actual attempted insurrection, you would be telling me about all the capitol officers who were killed that day, not a small handful who were supposedly traumatized by being shoved and screamed at.

I never said that they were trying to kill officers. They were trying to overturn a fair and free election to keep the duely elected President from taking office and replace him with the loser.

The definition of insurrection is:a violent uprising against an authority or government.

They did this. That is obvious in the hundreds of videos taken that day. Many by the rioters.

again when you consider the size of the crowd of Trump supporters, it's a testament to their overall lack of aggression and violence that no officers were actually killed wherever rioting broke out.

Many of the protesters were not bad or violent people but got caught up in the event. That doesn't take away from whatever illegal actions they took part in. Most of these were only charged with trespassing while those that actually were beating officers or breaking windows faced harsher penalties.

(for some perspective, imagine if this had been a BLM gathering instead. Do you think the Capitol Building would still be there?)

Yes, I do. Trump was still in office and would have sent in a greater force to protect the Capital but since he wanted the people to stop the certification of the election, he remained silent when he was asked for help to stop the violence.

i'm sorry but reality just isn't on your side.

Actually, reality is on my side. I'm thinking rationally, based on evidence, such as testimony or cell phone videos, etc... collected from those involved.

You, on the other hand, ignore the evidence but believe only what you are told to believe, without evidence. That is living outside of reality.

you can keep saying "insurrection" all you want. nobody believes it anymore except for a very small echo chamber.

Actually, polls show that most people still believe that an insurrection occurred, including many Republicans. Polls show that the majority believes that most protesters were not violent that day, which I agree with.

Crowd estimates were at about 53,000 people at Trump's speech. Those that took part at the Capital was a much smaller crowd, as many left and took no part in the violence.

 

[Yarddog]

You mean where people took plea deals to avoid having their lives ruined.

You mean you actually believe that innocent people take plea bargains to avoid having their lives ruined. LOL, LOL, LOL!!!

NO, guilty people take plea bargains because there is too much evidence against them and they agree to plea guilty to a lesser charge, so they can escape harsher penalties.

the beauty of being on the side of the truth is that you are eager for all the evidence to come out.

Everyone is still waiting for evidence from Trumpists which shows even a slight but of proof for his false election steal claims.

Absolutely none has come forward because none exists.

Nobody cares because everyone knows they were political prisoners. (that's why Trump is your next President)

Polls show that the majority agree the verdicts. Trump got reelected because Trumpist will always believe the lie. Others voted for because of many lies that MAGAist told about Biden. Others because they would never vote for a woman. Others because falsely attribute rampant inflation as Biden's fault. Others because of policies which actually implemented at the border or which were too liberal. Etcetera...

if anything, they will wear their J6 convictions as a badge of honor.

I bet you thought Trump was finished when he got that mugshot, right?

 

[lifepsyop]

I never said that they were trying to kill officers. They were trying to overturn a fair and free election to keep the duely elected President from taking office and replace him with the loser.

this is another reason why the insurrection narrative is so dumb. you don't overturn an election by walking around inside a building and shouting. it takes force.

The definition of insurrection is:a violent uprising against an authority or government.

as you know, the government authorities opened doors for most of the J6'ers and waved them inside.

there was no "uprising"... that is completely a figment of your imagination.

there was no more violence than we've seen in the dozens of mass political protests we've watched unfold over recent years. far less actually.

your insurrection narrative fails again and again.

They did this. That is obvious in the hundreds of videos taken that day. Many by the rioters.

Riots break out routinely during mass political protests, as do acts of trespassing and vandalism. Nothing to justify the insurrection fantasy.

Many of the protesters were not bad or violent people but got caught up in the event.

There was nothing to get "caught up in"... There was no insurrection "event". It's a mystical imaginary thing that you keep talking about but can't locate in reality.

You're not even interested in individuals, like Ray Epps, who are actually on camera trying to organize entrance into the Capitol building. Are you sure you actually even believe any of this or can we admit that it was just a convenient opportunity to attack your political enemies?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

lifepsyop, You did not answer my question. Not armed? Who told you that?

https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/Lonnie Coffman Statement of Facts.pdf

Why do you want to minimize the disgraceful event? Can you at least call it a riot?

 

[Yarddog]

this is another reason why the insurrection narrative is so dumb. you don't overturn an election by walking around inside a building and shouting. it takes force.

Walking around inside the isn't the only thing that they did. They broke into the Senate chambers trying to find Mike Pence, with the intent of forcing him send the votes back to the states, so that the fake electors could be installed and change the Electoral College votes in Trump's favor.

The insurrectionists came equiped with zip ties to bind anyone they needed to forcibly detain. A make shift gallow was also on site with protesters chanting hang Mike Pence. No one knows just how far they would have gone if Pence would have been caught.

as you know, the government authorities opened doors for most of the J6'ers and waved them inside.

One set of doors was opened and protesters were allowed in. They others were forcibly breached.

there was no "uprising"... that is completely a figment of your imagination.

No, that is proven in the courts with the leaders spending years behind bars.

there was no more violence than we've seen in the dozens of mass political protests we've watched unfold over recent years. far less actually.

Incorrect, also proven in court as many police officers were attacked and suffered serious injuries.

your insurrection narrative fails again and again.

Incorrect, my narrative has been proven in court while yours has been proven false, many times.

Riots break out routinely during mass political protests, as do acts of trespassing and vandalism. Nothing to justify the insurrection fantasy.

You should be tired of spreading lies about the events on J6. You can offer no evidence to justify your false claims while it has been proven in court.

You're not even interested in individuals, like Ray Epps, who are actually on camera trying to organize entrance into the Capitol building. Are you sure you actually even believe any of this or can we admit that it was just a convenient opportunity to attack your political enemies?

Lol, Epps sued Fox News and lost, when they accused him and his wife of being with Dominion. He also pleaded guilty for his actions on Jan. 6 th.

 

[Michie]

I thought this thread was about Biden lying and pardoning his son. I mean, I posted the op but what do I know? Lol

 

[lifepsyop]

lifepsyop, You did not answer my question. Not armed? Who told you that?

https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/Lonnie Coffman Statement of Facts.pdf

Why do you want to minimize the disgraceful event? Can you at least call it a riot?

so out of tens of thousands of people, there is one guy who has jars and rags in his truck that could potentially be made into molotovs.

what is there to minimize? you're pointing to a single lone actor, again just reinforcing the reality that an "insurrection", which involves coordinated action from many people, never happened.

how many lethally armed psychos did we find in your average BLM or Antifa gathering? How many attempted murders of law enforcement? They burned down a police station and took over part of a city... actual literal insurrection... (not that you actually care about insurrection... you just want to see your enemies punished)

I don't think you realize what it would have looked like on J6 if you insurrection fantasies were even remotely true. That's why you're reduced to pointing to some lone nut who drives around with incindiaries in his truck. There is no coordination, no plan of attack. It's just a bunch of angry protestors.

You may never be able to accept this because J6, like RussiaRussia, has become like a religion to a small demographic of people. It's why you don't want to know who Ray Epps really is. The myth must be kept alive.

Whatever. The J6'ers will soon be free, and it will be the J6 committee that will be under the microscope.

 

[lifepsyop]

Lol, Epps sued Fox News and lost, when they accused him and his wife of being with Dominion. He also pleaded guilty for his actions on Jan. 6 th.

there are people still rotting in jail for just peacefully walking around the Capitol that day.... middle of the night FBI raids, ripping dads out of their homes, ruining families' lives... over your wretched insurrection lie. Thank God Trump is your next President and they will finally be freed.

and Epps is on video directly trying to organize people to enter the Capitol building... it's like the closest thing to someone actually trying to foment an insurrection.... and you're not the least bit curious why he gets a slap on the wrist, are you? You don't want to find out something uncomfortable that might spoil your myth.

 

[Yarddog]

there are people still rotting in jail for just peacefully walking around the Capitol that day....

No there's not. Most got a slap on the wrist and went home. Those still incarcerated were convicted of violent offences, such as assaulting law enforcement or the leaders.

Three Years Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

www.justice.gov

Oath Keeper Joshua James pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, admitting in his plea that "from November 2020 through January 2021, he conspired with other Oath Keeper members and affiliates to use force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the laws of the United States governing the transfer of presidential power."

Criminal proceedings in the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You seem to have no sense of facts. Surprise, surprise.

 

[lifepsyop]

No there's not. Most got a slap on the wrist and went home. Those still incarcerated were convicted of violent offences, such as assaulting law enforcement or the leaders.

False.

Three Years Since the Jan. 6 Attack on the Capitol

www.justice.gov

Oath Keeper Joshua James pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, admitting in his plea that "from November 2020 through January 2021, he conspired with other Oath Keeper members and affiliates to use force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the laws of the United States governing the transfer of presidential power."

And if we were talking about conspiracy charges against a specific organization like the Oath Keepers, then this might be relevant.

But we're not. Instead we're talking about a case where random average husbands and fathers were ripped out of their houses in the middle of the night by SWAT teams, some of who literally did nothing more than walk on the premises that day. Some who merely pushed up against a riot shield. Some who calmly walked in and out of an empty office in the Capitol building.

Criminal proceedings in the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You seem to have no sense of facts. Surprise, surprise.

oh, the facts are a wikipedia article with a cherry-picked list of the worst offenses.

here is a full list of J6'ers given years-long prison sentences:

many of the charges read:

"disorderly conduct"
"obstructing an official proceeding"
"entering a restricted building"
"impeding law enforcement"

Full list of Capitol rioters jailed so far, the sentences they are serving

Around 64 percent of those who have received sentences in relation to the January 6 uprising have been handed jail time.

www.newsweek.com

even with the "assaults" on officers, and as can be verified on video, it is mostly the typical kinds of restrained clashes with riot police that we've seen in hundreds of similar protests. Pushing, pulling, shoving, grabbing riot shields, pushing barricades, swinging flagpoles, etc.... this happens in every large-scale protest that ends up with some clashes with riot police. We all know this is true, but you don't want to admit it.


the truth is that you found an opportunistic way to punish your political enemies, by conjuring up a fantasy, made believable because you had the full weight of the lying legacy regime media behind you, blazing "ATTACK ON AMERICA" headlines all day.... (that was back when the media still had a shred of credibility left)

The more the dust clears from the onslaught of media propaganda that day, the less people believe in your J6 insurrection myth. That is why Donald Trump is your President again.

 

[Yarddog]

And if we were talking about conspiracy charges against a specific organization like the Oath Keepers, then this might be relevant.

It is relevant because some admitted their guilt proving that you are wrong about what occurred at the Capital.

But we're not. Instead we're talking about a case where random average husbands and fathers were ripped out of their houses in the middle of the night by SWAT teams, some of who literally did nothing more than walk on the premises that day. Some who merely pushed up against a riot shield. Some who calmly walked in and out of an empty office in the Capitol building.

That is false. They were people who were present at the insurrection most guilty of violent crimes. If you commit a crime, be prepared to get arrested. BTW, pushing up against a riot shield is a crime. You are lost in your Dreamworld.

The facts at Wlki were cherry picked, giving some of the worst offenses but the site from the Justice department were not. They give the updated totals of all the arrests.

 

[lifepsyop]

It is relevant because some admitted their guilt proving that you are wrong about what occurred at the Capital.

What like 2 people?

This is what infuriates people. You run with headlines like "INSURRECTION - DEMOCRACY ON THE BRINK!" and it turns out to be a couple of Oath Keepers.

That is false. They were people who were present at the insurrection

there was no insurrection. it's in your head.

or to put another way, if that was an insurrection, then at least a dozen "insurrections" occurred within that year that were never dealt with as such. it was a very typical clash with riot police in a mass gathering, which itself was a small subset of the people on the premises who were completely peaceful.

Trump derangement syndrome may cause major distortions of reality, where a small riot is hallucinated as the end of democracy.

most guilty of violent crimes.

completely false.

If you commit a crime, be prepared to get arrested. BTW, pushing up against a riot shield is a crime. You are lost in your Dreamworld.

Unlike you, I don't have to imagine events that can't be seen. nobody is saying crimes were not committed so let's not waste time on that strawman. it's just that the crime of "insurrection" is a fantasy existing only in your head and maybe in the minds of a few Oath Keepers. It was an opportunity to punish your political opponents, but it ultimately backfired and empowered them.

 

[Yarddog]

What like 2 people?

List of cases of the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can look at this and see who pled guilty or not guilty and see who received what kinds of punishment. The guilty pleas are proof that it occurred and people were admitting it.

 

[Yarddog]

What like 2 people?

Like 718.