Biblical question about War.

[Hector Medina]

Greetings,

I would like a totally biblical point of view on these situations,please


War

In Ephesians 6:12 it states:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities,against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world,against spiritual wickedness in high places.

And one of the Commandments,Ten is :"Thou Shalt Not Kill"


In Christ,

Hector

 

[BigEd]

good question, wrong location, moving this to general theology.

 

[paulewog]

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities,against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world,against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I think that's talking about spiritual war, not real physical machine gun war (and I think it might apply to this.... we can't yell out a Bible verse to scare away demons - we can't fight spiritual beings with physicalness. So what are the Christian spiritual, if you'll allow me the term, weapons? Prayer )

And one of the Commandments,Ten is :"Thou Shalt Not Kill"

The word used is the word for murder, not kill in general terms.

If it was plain ol' kill in general, I suppose you could apply that to not killing animals, not stepping on a bug, not spraying ants.....

 

[Blackhawk]

Originally posted by paulewog
I think that's talking about spiritual war, not real physical machine gun war (and I think it might apply to this.... we can't yell out a Bible verse to scare away demons - we can't fight spiritual beings with physicalness. So what are the Christian spiritual, if you'll allow me the term, weapons? Prayer )



The word used is the word for murder, not kill in general terms.

If it was plain ol' kill in general, I suppose you could apply that to not killing animals, not stepping on a bug, not spraying ants.....

I just wanted to say that thsi was a good post and I agree on all your points.  I would also say that Ephesians 6:12 is about who are enemy really is but that does not mean that we can't fight a war against humans.  That is if it is a "just war."  In fact I would say that the Bible shows that it is immorral to instead not fight a war sometimes when justice needs to be served. 

 

[Ares~BoD~]

in the NIV it says Deu. 5:17 you shall not murder.

The definition is Murder-The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

By human standard Killing in War isnt murder, it is the preservaton of one nations thoughts and rights. Also, it mentions in the Bible Angels defeating the dragon, they must of killed the dragons demons to acomplise this task, and i dont belive God would set a rule that he himself had broken. God is not a hypocrite.

But, however, if you start a war for selfish reasons such as World Domination (Hitler) or religious lunacy (Bin laden) i belive that every person kill for you own greedy ambisions could be considered murder. But this is just me and as a Military person and a Religious person, it hurts me badly to think that what i do for a living would be considered a sin in the eyes of GoD.

 

[Andrew]

The verse has nothing to do with killing your fellow man, but its abt standing your ground in faith against the devil and his plans.

 

[Hector Medina]

I heard Somewhere in the bible is reads

Their is time when you must fight with your sword.......
or something like that


-Hector

 

[Force]

Originally posted by paulewog
I think that's talking about spiritual war, not real physical machine gun war (and I think it might apply to this.... we can't yell out a Bible verse to scare away demons - we can't fight spiritual beings with physicalness.

While I agree with you a lot Paulewog be careful when you say we cant yell out a bible verse to scare away demons....

All you have to do is say the name of JESUS and they will flee from your presence.

Thats the only thing I disagree with you on.  But you are on the right track with the spiritual/physical part as an answer.

 

 

[paulewog]

/me disagrees strongly with the magical word type of thing about yelling out something to "scare" a demon away.

/me only mentions this, and won't say anything more in this thread: remember that the Apostles couldn't cast out a demon, even though they were GIVEN that gift... and you better beleive they would have mentioned Jesus.... That's another topic entirely though....

 

[tericl2]

Romans 12:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

Governments have a sword and it is not born in vain. This sword is the military and law enforcement. This is all appointed and instituted by God. How can we expect our governments to protect us if we are not willing to serve in a capacity which has been instituted by God himself? Should only non-Christians be expected to risk their lives for the good of us all?

 

[Andrew]

AMEN tericl2!

In my country, serving in the army is compulsory and by law (we have to serve 2.5 years full-time and then go for yearly in-camp trainings/exercises for 13 years or until we reach age 40 whichever comes first!). I really hate it but have no choice

but I know I have to submit to the authority instituted by God.

 

[Force]

Originally posted by paulewog
/me disagrees strongly with the magical word type of thing about yelling out something to "scare" a demon away.

/me only mentions this, and won't say anything more in this thread: remember that the Apostles couldn't cast out a demon, even though they were GIVEN that gift... and you better beleive they would have mentioned Jesus.... That's another topic entirely though....

Hey paulewog......man oh man.  I know this is a different subject but I have to respond. 

Jesus' name is not a magic word nor something to be trifled with.  It is a very powerful name.

The apostles COULD cast out demons look at the example of Paul.  I know the story your thinking about:

<SUP>13</SUP>Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, "In the name of Jesus, whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out." <SUP>14</SUP>Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. <SUP>15</SUP>One day the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?" <SUP>16</SUP>Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.
<SUP>17</SUP>When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor.

This was because their hearts were in the wrong place and they were doing it for the wrong reasons.

<SUP>ACTS Chapter 16 Verses 16-18

16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved." 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so troubled that he turned around and said to the spirit, "In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!" At that moment the spirit left her.

See this clearly shows how powerful&nbsp;Jesus' name can be.&nbsp;

</SUP>Start a thread called casting out demons or something if you want to debate it further, that might be a fun topic.&nbsp; I know it might cause and uproar with some of the non-believers.

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[paulewog]

/me apologizes for the extremely unclear post by him...

/me clarifies:

in one case, I forgot who it was, there was a demoniac and the 12 tried to cast out the demon, but it didn't work. Yes, they had the GIFT of casting out demons... but the name Jesus itself is just a name, and the word is just a phonetic sound....

/me NOW shuts up about this subject on this thread, hehe