Biblical literalists

[LittleNipper]

Well, first we have to be clear on the definition of being "biblical".

I mean, what would you consider to be the definition of biblical?

Now a days the belief of demons and such, even though it is still prevalent in some belief systems, is discarded overall by modern churches. Why, because all demonic activities and ideas were applied to illnesses like mental diseases and physical disabilities, which we understand and treat better today.

To read the Bible and accept it at face value verbatim or comprehend what the Bible says by studying every chapter and verse is biblical. One may find that some scripture is directed towards a particular group; however, after investigating the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew; one needs not to look to outside opinion or commentaries as GOSPEL. I do believe in literal demonic possession and what happened during the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and in Nazi Germany; ALL suggest that it is a very real and modern occurance.

ps>>> Most "modern" churches are motivated by their own desires and are not Biblically grounded in the least. Women ministers, homosexual preachers, abortion activists ---- none of this is promoted by the Holy Scriptures. The fact is that the very opposite is true. The fact is that this is likely of demonic influence.

 

[TheBigAl]

To read the Bible and accept it at face value verbatim or comprehend what the Bible says by studying every chapter and verse is biblical. One may find that some scripture is directed towards a particular group; however, after investigating the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew; one needs not to look to outside opinion or commentaries as GOSPEL. I do believe in literal demonic possession and what happened during the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and in Nazi Germany; ALL suggest that it is a very real and modern occurance.

So according to your definitions, all important (or at least historic) human events have demonic influence involved in them?

 

[nvxplorer]

To read the Bible and accept it at face value verbatim or comprehend what the Bible says by studying every chapter and verse is biblical. One may find that some scripture is directed towards a particular group; however, after investigating the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew; one needs not to look to outside opinion or commentaries as GOSPEL.

If the Bible were conducive to face value interpretation, there would be no outside opinion or commentary.

I do believe in literal demonic possession and what happened during the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and in Nazi Germany; ALL suggest that it is a very real and modern occurance.

Interesting. On what do you base this opinion? Do you consider the doctrine of manifest destiny to have been influenced by demonic possession as well?

 

[LittleNipper]

So according to your definitions, all important (or at least historic) human events have demonic influence involved in them?

I would say that most events of a grave nature are of demonic manipulation.
The Anti-Christ most certainly will be.

 

[ChrisS]

Saying that Satan is not found in the Bible should be an insult to anyone who calls himself a Christian. It is not just a "Jewish" story.

Matthew 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be TEMPTED OF THE DEVIL.............................
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, "Get thou hence, SATAN: for it is written, 'Thou shalt worship the LORD THY GOD, and HIM only shalt thou serve.'"

The arrogance of some people to interpret & explain away that which is clearly well defined, cut and dry. If Satan is not real and is an invention of Jews, well then so is Jesus Christ----for of such was Matthew. You either accept it or you do not. GOD is not the author of confusion and I see nothing to be confused about. I wish you could call me a troll to my face. I could give you Lucy's five good reasons why I was not such thing...

The gospels are ancient biographies. Therefore, I (as a christian) have no choice but to believe that Jesus is a real person, and that he died and rose again so that we may be forgiven of our sins, grow closer to God, and ultimately serve God better.

However, reading up on ancient biographies, you will find that many(if not all) often exaggerate on what the subject/person did. Thus my belief that satan/devils are more than likely just ancient israeli politcs rather then real atrocities possessing us.

However, we both agree that the gospels are ancient didactic biographies. However, I believe that the OT is actually a collection of the Jewish law, ( and some good advice, such as proverbs) which is used to explain what exactly Jesus is fulfilling. Thus, I believe that genesis is actually a metaphor used to describe certain laws on purity, mentioned in leviticus.

I don't question that you are a christian, brother, I just disagree with how you read the old testament.

 

[LittleNipper]

If the Bible were conducive to face value interpretation, there would be no outside opinion or commentary.

Interesting. On what do you base this opinion? Do you consider the doctrine of manifest destiny to have been influenced by demonic possession as well?

This is obviously not true. People wish to to influence others and make money. Demons like to influence people ... Some demonic influence is very obvious and some is quite subtle --- more noticable after the fact.

 

[TheBigAl]

This is obviously not true. People wish to to influence others and make money. Demons like to influence people ... Some demonic influence is very obvious and some is quite subtle --- more noticable after the fact.

Actually, that is called human nature. For example, when all of those televangelists want more money and power, they misuse the bible to spread lies, misinformation, and fear among the ignorant, gullible, and egoistic populace to keep their wallets full and their dominance over them. Some examples of this are the creationist movement, and the belief of demons and such. AIG and Dr. Dino are good examples of con artists using religion for their own selfish needs. Sure, they sound pleasant, and they make their stuff sound good and such, but that is just what rip-off artist do to get you money. Sorry Nip, but that’s how it works, and denying it won’t help you at all.

 

[nvxplorer]

This is obviously not true. People wish to to influence others and make money. Demons like to influence people ... Some demonic influence is very obvious and some is quite subtle --- more noticable after the fact.

Is your biblical interpretation completely free of outside influence? If two people come to different interpretations entirely on their own, how do we determine who is reading the Bible at face value?

What is your answer to my question regarding Manifest Destiny?

In another post, you mentioned events of a grave nature are the result of demonic possession. How do you define grave?

 

[LittleNipper]

Actually, that is called human nature. For example, when all of those televangelists want more money and power, they misuse the bible to spread lies, misinformation, and fear among the ignorant, gullible, and egoistic populace to keep their wallets full and their dominance over them. Some examples of this are the creationist movement, and the belief of demons and such. AIG and Dr. Dino are good examples of con artists using religion for their own selfish needs. Sure, they sound pleasant, and they make their stuff sound good and such, but that is just what rip-off artist do to get you money. Sorry Nip, but that’s how it works, and denying it won’t help you at all.

Actually, it sounds like you are referring to the Evening News, where they tell you all the bad stuff to make ratings to sell commercial time and make money. I've never given any money to any televangelist; however, I did attend Liberty Baptist College for a semester. I don't know if that counts.
Public education is a perfect example of a con. They tell everyone that if they get more money, education will improve. They get more money every year----I don't see most teachers driving bombs, but the reading skills stay pretty much the same --- forget intuitive reasoning --- common sense is now an archic word.

 

[TheBigAl]

Actually, it sounds like you are referring to the Evening News, where they tell you all the bad stuff to make ratings to sell commercial time and make money. I've never given any money to any televangelist; however, I did attend Liberty Baptist College for a semester. I don't know if that counts.
Public education is a perfect example of a con. They tell everyone that if they get more money, education will improve. They get more money every year----I don't see most teachers driving bombs, but the reading skills stay pretty much the same --- forget intuitive reasoning --- common sense is now an archic word.

Nip, your ego makes it hard for you to understand the world.

Again you dogged the topic and responded with another fallacious argument which you take your time to make up.

I recommend to you, from a follower of God to another, put your sleeves back on, get up, put your jacket back on, and go see the world. I assure you, no, I tell you that there is a bigger world out here than the one inside your imagination.

PS: You have no proof of your claims.

 

[LittleNipper]

Is your biblical interpretation completely free of outside influence? If two people come to different interpretations entirely on their own, how do we determine who is reading the Bible at face value?

What is your answer to my question regarding Manifest Destiny?

In another post, you mentioned events of a grave nature are the result of demonic possession. How do you define grave?

I never suggested that I am perfect. I will say to you, that most Christians who believe that one needs a personal relationship with GOD through Jesus Christ all tend NOT to read into the Bible. You will not find any Mormons among them. They understand the power GOD possesses to protect HIS Word. This means that the 11th Chapter of Hebrews gives CHRIST's sealed stamp of approval to Genesis. Matthew Chapter 1 expresses the reality of JESUS CHRIST in real ancestral terms.

 

[LittleNipper]

Is your biblical interpretation completely free of outside influence? If two people come to different interpretations entirely on their own, how do we determine who is reading the Bible at face value?

What is your answer to my question regarding Manifest Destiny?

In another post, you mentioned events of a grave nature are the result of demonic possession. How do you define grave?

I never suggested that I am perfect. I will say to you, that most Christians who believe that one needs a personal relationship with GOD through Jesus Christ all tend NOT to read into the Bible. You will not find any Mormons among them. They understand the power GOD possesses to protect HIS Word. This means that the 11th Chapter of Hebrews gives CHRIST's sealed stamp of approval to Genesis. Matthew Chapter 1 expresses the reality of JESUS CHRIST in real ancestral terms.

Manifest Destiny is not found in the Bible with regards to the United States.
America never replaced Israel as the promised land.

 

[LittleNipper]

Nip, your ego makes it hard for you to understand the world.

Again you dogged the topic and responded with another fallacious argument which you take your time to make up.

I recommend to you, from a follower of God to another, put your sleeves back on, get up, put your jacket back on, and go see the world. I assure you, no, I tell you that there is a bigger world out here than the one inside your imagination.

PS: You have no proof of your claims.

I'm not the one who made up the theory of evolution. I'd much rather understand GOD on HIS terms. The "ego" is strictly in your ball park. I suppose you are going to tell me that good things get equal time on the news..?

 

[z3ro]

Oh no, my beautiful thread, horribly, horribly derailed.

 

[LittleNipper]

Oh no, my beautiful thread, horribly, horribly derailed.

Another EGO bites the dust.

 

[TheBigAl]

I never suggested that I am perfect. I will say to you, that most Christians who believe that one needs a personal relationship with GOD through Jesus Christ all tend NOT to read into the Bible. You will not find any Mormons among them. They understand the power GOD possesses to protect HIS Word. This means that the 11th Chapter of Hebrews gives CHRIST's sealed stamp of approval to Genesis. Matthew Chapter 1 expresses the reality of JESUS CHRIST in real ancestral terms.

Actually, I believe that the Holy Spirit awakened my understanding. I have a desire to understand GOD's Word, and I find that I CAN understand GOD's Word to an ever growing degree... It all goes beyond my human logic. I am no more or less a human than anybody else; however, I find I have a drive, a desire, and understanding where none existed to any real degree. I've been changed.

Every time you talk, it’s like you keep hitting yourself on the wall and we just look. Poor thing.

 

[nvxplorer]

Manifest Destiny is not found in the Bible with regards to the United States.
America never replaced Israel as the promised land.

But the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution and Nazi Germany are found in the Bible? Do tell.

(Do you even remember what we were discussing, or is this just an evasion tactic?)

 

[TheBigAl]

I'm not the one who made up the theory of evolution. I'd much rather understand GOD on HIS terms. The "ego" is strictly in your ball park. I suppose you are going to tell me that good things get equal time on the news..?

But you did come up with your own personal beliefs which go against God’s word. And that is called paganism.

Nip stop hurting yourself, you know you don’t understand both the theory of evolution and the concept of creationism.

 

[Battie]

To read the Bible and accept it at face value verbatim or comprehend what the Bible says by studying every chapter and verse is biblical. One may find that some scripture is directed towards a particular group; however, after investigating the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew; one needs not to look to outside opinion or commentaries as GOSPEL. I do believe in literal demonic possession and what happened during the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, and in Nazi Germany; ALL suggest that it is a very real and modern occurance.

So when a person does something really bad, as in your examples here, they did it because they were possessed by demons? One of the premises of Christianity is that we are by nature inclined to do evil. Why shift responsibility for our own actions onto someone else, like demons?

ps>>> Most "modern" churches are motivated by their own desires and are not Biblically grounded in the least. Women ministers, homosexual preachers, abortion activists ---- none of this is promoted by the Holy Scriptures. The fact is that the very opposite is true. The fact is that this is likely of demonic influence.

While I can't speak for homosexuals or abortionists, I am convinced that the idea women ministers is Biblically sounds. Remember leaders like Anna the Prophetess, Phoebe, or Priscilla? If you want to take the Bible at "face value verbatim," how do you explain their leadership roles away?

 

[LittleNipper]

So when a person does something really bad, as in your examples here, they did it because they were possessed by demons? One of the premises of Christianity is that we are by nature inclined to do evil. Why shift responsibility for our own actions onto someone else, like demons?


While I can't speak for homosexuals or abortionists, I am convinced that the idea women ministers is Biblically sounds. Remember leaders like Anna the Prophetess, Phoebe, or Priscilla? If you want to take the Bible at "face value verbatim," how do you explain their leadership roles away?

None of the women you mentioned spoke from the pulpit. It was not the place GOD made for them. I cannot say that EVERYONE that does real bad things is possessed. I will not say that NONE of them are either... Saved individuals cannot be possessed of a demon----they are already possessed of the HOLY SPIRIT. They can be lead to be self motivated because they are not glorified yet.