Biblical literalists

[JohnR7]

No, this is a literal interpritation. It only says he cursed the snake, nothing about the rest of creation. Nothing in genesis, where it would obviously be mentioned, should it have happened. Plain as day, just the snake. If all of creation can be cursed, why can six days not be six days.

It is 6 days to God and we are clearly told that a day to God is 1000 years to us. Paul makes it clear in the NT that all of creation was under bondage. A lot of things that Moses wrote on got explained in much greater detail later on. I have seen where Moses will only write a short sentance on a subject that later on in the Bible there is a whole chapter devoted to that very same subject.

God gave His whole plan of redemption to Moses. So you can find everything in the Bible somewhere in what Moses wrote.

 

[z3ro]

Actually, when they sniff the air with their tongue, dust sometimes gets onto their tongue. Therefore, the Bible was correct in that perspective.

No, you run into the same problem. If that is the case, everything eats dusts in some fashion. God cursed the snake, not evrything, so we have a problem; the whole of creation is under a specific curse meant for one animal.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that everyone was already eating dust before the "fall," so the argument falls apart there, as well.

 

[z3ro]

It is 6 days to God and we are clearly told that a day to God is 1000 years to us. Paul makes it clear in the NT that all of creation was under bondage. A lot of things that Moses wrote on got explained in much greater detail later on. I have seen where Moses will only write a short sentance on a subject that later on in the Bible there is a whole chapter devoted to that very same subject.

God gave His whole plan of redemption to Moses. So you can find everything in the Bible somewhere in what Moses wrote.

If you believe that things can be modified a bit, than my beef is not with you. My problem is with people who insist that six days is six days because genesis says it's six days.

Oh, and we "ate" dust long before the fall, so what would be the point of cursing us with something we already did.

 

[Kroger99]

I think that you guys are putting way too much into this.

Being a Creationist, I beleive that the six days mentioned in the 1st chapter is an actual 6 days, very simular to the 24 hour period that we know today. Now in other parts of the scripture, you will read text that says..."And in that Day....". With this, we are talking about a period of time. Otherwise, A day is a day.

As for the snake....Don't know and don't care. I don't like them even if they are God's creation.

With that...I am perfectly content with waiting until I am before the Lord getting the Facts straight from the source.

 

[Grengor]

That's perfectly fine. If every creationist was like that there wouldn't be this "debate" and push to get Creationism or ID into schools.

 

[Kroger99]

That's perfectly fine. If every creationist was like that there wouldn't be this "debate" and push to get Creationism or ID into schools.

Personally, I think it has as much right in the schools as the Theory of Evolution. Neither has been proven as fact (by humans, anyway), yet Evolution is Manditory and Creation is forbidden. I personally think that both should be allowed as elective classes.

 

[artybloke]

Personally, I think it has as much right in the schools as the Theory of Evolution. Neither has been proven as fact (by humans, anyway), yet Evolution is Manditory and Creation is forbidden. I personally think that both should be allowed as elective classes.

I don't see any objection to creationism in schools; as long as it's not in science classes. Religion classes, possibly, alongside the creation myths of other cultures. Science should be taught in science classes, mythology in mythology classes.

As for evolution being "proven": well, no, but only because the only things with "proofs" are mathematical formulae. The theory of evolution has more evidence in favour of it than the theory of gravity, and I don't think anyone questions that. For all practical purposes, evolution is a theory (ie an explanation of facts) and a fact (ie, it has been observed.)

 

[Grengor]

What he said, I didn't mean not in school, but not in a science class room. But I feel that if Creation and every other creation myth is taught that YEC's won't appreciate it, their entire point being defeated. Would you object to that? YEC and EVERY other creation myth on this planet being taught?

 

[Kroger99]

What he said, I didn't mean not in school, but not in a science class room. But I feel that if Creation and every other creation myth is taught that YEC's won't appreciate it, their entire point being defeated. Would you object to that? YEC and EVERY other creation myth on this planet being taught?

I think that you meant to say Theory of Creation...right? lol
There is plenty of evidence of Creation, but it just does not fit into the evidence of Evolution so it is thrown out as myth to the Evolutionist. I feel the same way about evidence of Evolution. It just don't make much since to me, but then again, I'm not all that smart....lol

So...I guess I'm saying that I think Evolution should be an elective class as well because I think that Evolution is just as much a religion as Creation. Hope that helps.

 

[TheBigAl]

I think that you meant to say Theory of Creation...right? lol
There is plenty of evidence of Creation, but it just does not fit into the evidence of Evolution so it is thrown out as myth to the Evolutionist. I feel the same way about evidence of Evolution. It just don't make much since to me, but then again, I'm not all that smart....lol

So...I guess I'm saying that I think Evolution should be an elective class as well because I think that Evolution is just as much a religion as Creation. Hope that helps.

And you have no idea of what you are talking about, right?

 

[Ozymandius]

I think that you meant to say Theory of Creation...right? lol
There is plenty of evidence of Creation, but it just does not fit into the evidence of Evolution so it is thrown out as myth to the Evolutionist. I feel the same way about evidence of Evolution. It just don't make much since to me, but then again, I'm not all that smart....lol

So...I guess I'm saying that I think Evolution should be an elective class as well because I think that Evolution is just as much a religion as Creation. Hope that helps.

What is the evidence for creation? Does it involve moon dust, a shrinking sun, polonium halos, paluxy tracks, or nebraska man?

 

[z3ro]

I think that you meant to say Theory of Creation...right? lol
There is plenty of evidence of Creation, but it just does not fit into the evidence of Evolution so it is thrown out as myth to the Evolutionist. I feel the same way about evidence of Evolution. It just don't make much since to me, but then again, I'm not all that smart....lol

So...I guess I'm saying that I think Evolution should be an elective class as well because I think that Evolution is just as much a religion as Creation. Hope that helps.

Um, you do realize that evolution is the cornerstone for modern biology, right? That it's the basic that all other biology feeds off? To not include it in high school ciriculum would severly hamper college level and above students.

 

[ChrisS]

I think that you meant to say Theory of Creation...right? lol
There is plenty of evidence of Creation, but it just does not fit into the evidence of Evolution so it is thrown out as myth to the Evolutionist. I feel the same way about evidence of Evolution. It just don't make much since to me, but then again, I'm not all that smart....lol

So...I guess I'm saying that I think Evolution should be an elective class as well because I think that Evolution is just as much a religion as Creation. Hope that helps.

Try to keep religion and science seperate at all times. If christians start manipulating science to fit in with a certain interpretation of genesis, then countless other religions could do that same. Can you imagine what kind of disasters could occur from that? Can anyone see "hitler"?

Besides that, reading the bible as a newspaper can seriously mess up what you read.

 

[Kroger99]

Um, you do realize that evolution is the cornerstone for modern biology, right? That it's the basic that all other biology feeds off? To not include it in high school ciriculum would severly hamper college level and above students.

So thats what is wrong with todays college students...lol J/K
I am no scientist...at least at that level, anyway, but I am pretty sure that Biology is what it is regardless of what Evolution is thought to be. I realize that you think otherwise, but many of us don't see the connection.

I love Biology and wish I had time to study more, but I don't believe that we or any other creature evolved from anything. We were made as we are. Yes....the body goes though changes, but that is do to the things that we are doing to ourselves, not where we came from. You can toss your fancy numbers out all you want, but it don't change the logic of it.

 

[LittleNipper]

It’s called "DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION". Some are more sound than others. Yours is just ill-created and embedded in your ego.

PS: Saying that he doesn’t read the bible is actually insulting him. And if I remember correctly, the Lord demands respect for your fellow man/women. Which makes me think that maybe you aren’t a thiest but a troll just trying to make theistic individuals look bad.

Saying that Satan is not found in the Bible should be an insult to anyone who calls himself a Christian. It is not just a "Jewish" story.

Matthew 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be TEMPTED OF THE DEVIL.............................
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, "Get thou hence, SATAN: for it is written, 'Thou shalt worship the LORD THY GOD, and HIM only shalt thou serve.'"

The arrogance of some people to interpret & explain away that which is clearly well defined, cut and dry. If Satan is not real and is an invention of Jews, well then so is Jesus Christ----for of such was Matthew. You either accept it or you do not. GOD is not the author of confusion and I see nothing to be confused about. I wish you could call me a troll to my face. I could give you Lucy's five good reasons why I was not such thing...

 

[z3ro]

So thats what is wrong with todays college students...lol J/K
I am no scientist...at least at that level, anyway, but I am pretty sure that Biology is what it is regardless of what Evolution is thought to be. I realize that you think otherwise, but many of us don't see the connection.

I love Biology and wish I had time to study more, but I don't believe that we or any other creature evolved from anything. We were made as we are. Yes....the body goes though changes, but that is do to the things that we are doing to ourselves, not where we came from. You can toss your fancy numbers out all you want, but it don't change the logic of it.

The first 101 biology course I took in college was basically all about evolution. It dealt mostly with populations and variations in them, evolution being what affected them.

Evolution is key to many fields, most notably medicine. When bacteria becomes resistant to antibiotics, we have a problem. If we know why they became resistant, we can predict if it will happen again in the future, and why, and then make better drugs. See?

 

[artybloke]

I am no scientist...at least at that level, anyway, but I am pretty sure that Biology is what it is regardless of what Evolution is thought to be. I realize that you think otherwise, but many of us don't see the connection.

Nope. Biology is what it is because of the TOE. Do you know what the TOE is or is your definition of it just another of those strawman definitions which keep appearing?

 

[TheBigAl]

Saying that Satan is not found in the Bible should be an insult to anyone who calls himself a Christian. It is not just a "Jewish" story.

Matthew 4:1
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be TEMPTED OF THE DEVIL.............................
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, "Get thou hence, SATAN: for it is written, 'Thou shalt worship the LORD THY GOD, and HIM only shalt thou serve.'"

The arrogance of some people to interpret & explain away that which is clearly well defined, cut and dry. If Satan is not real and is an invention of Jews, well then so is Jesus Christ----for of such was Matthew. You either accept it or you do not. GOD is not not the author of confusion and I see nothing to be confused about.

Where in my post does it say that Satan is not in the bible? Not only are you twisting the bible to fit your selfish needs, but you also twist other people’s words as well.

PS: He was commenting on your claims that Satan created the flood. Way to go on dogging and running away from the discussion Nip.

 

[LittleNipper]

Not very biblical today are we .

Meh, I would challenge the belief in satan/demonic existence, but I'm not sure I should change the discussion of the topic.

This is where the whole issue started. Clearly, this person questions the existence of Satan and his demons. He also says I'm not biblical. One may choose to challenge the existence of Satan and demons; however, one cannot do this from a biblical perspective.

 

[TheBigAl]

This is where the whole issue started. Clearly, this person questions the existence of Satan and his demons. He also says I'm not biblical. One may choose to challenge the existence of Satan and demons; however, one cannot do this from a biblical perspective.

Well, first we have to be clear on the definition of being "biblical".

I mean, what would you consider to be the definition of biblical?

Now a days the belief of demons and such, even though it is still prevalent in some belief systems, is discarded overall by modern churches. Why, because all demonic activities and ideas were applied to illnesses like mental diseases and physical disabilities, which we understand and treat better today.