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I have a question for you. Why don't snakes eat dust? It clearly says in Genesis that snakes are cursed, and that they will eat dust in the future. Yet, modern snakes clearly do not eat dust. Why is that?

Now, of course, you could argue that the authors were using figurative language, but why all of a sudden do we allow the scripture to not mean what it says? It clearly says snakes will eat dust. Not mice, not rabbits, but dust. If six days must be six days(it being so clearly stated) why do snakes not eat dust(it being equally clearly stated)?
 

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Did you know that Genises is supposed to be a combined account of 3 different tribes, each with a different name for god? This is true with other earlier Old Testament books. With that said, Genises is very hard to understand. Even so, it is probably a metaphor for it being stuck to the ground and emphasize the suckiness of not having legs.
 
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Did you know that Genises is supposed to be a combined account of 3 different tribes, each with a different name for god?

Close but no cigar. There are at least four writers - J,E,P,D - in the Mosaic books or Pentateuch which include Genesis - but they're not written by different tribes, they're written at different times from about 700BC to about 350BC approx. and they represent different approaches. They don't come from tribal peoples but from a settled Hebraic community - although there are definite traces of ancient myths transformed in the Genesis accounts of creation and the flood (Enuma Elish & Gilgamesh for instance.)
 
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Femto said:
Did you know that Genises is supposed to be a combined account of 3 different tribes, each with a different name for god? This is true with other earlier Old Testament books. With that said, Genises is very hard to understand. Even so, it is probably a metaphor for it being stuck to the ground and emphasize the suckiness of not having legs.

You missed the point; it is clearly a metaphore, I never said it wasn't. My question was for people who interprit "six days" as having no other possible meaning besides six days, why can other passages have non-literal meanings.
 
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z3ro said:
I have a question for you. Why don't snakes eat dust? It clearly says in Genesis that snakes are cursed, and that they will eat dust in the future. Yet, modern snakes clearly do not eat dust. Why is that?

Now, of course, you could argue that the authors were using figurative language, but why all of a sudden do we allow the scripture to not mean what it says? It clearly says snakes will eat dust. Not mice, not rabbits, but dust. If six days must be six days(it being so clearly stated) why do snakes not eat dust(it being equally clearly stated)?

Actually, the reality is that serpants became the first meat-eaters. And what is flesh but dust...

Genesis 3:19.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Actually, the reality is that serpants became the first meat-eaters. And what is flesh but dust...

Genesis 3:19.
And what are days when there isn't a sun to time them? Whatever you want them to be. Just as "dust" suddenly has a new meaning so too can "day".

Thanks for proving a point. It's quite obvious that a "literal" interpretation of Genesis doesn't mean you interpret it literally. Literal just means you make it mean what you want it to mean.

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Phred said:
And what are days when there isn't a sun to time them? Whatever you want them to be. Just as "dust" suddenly has a new meaning so too can "day".

Thanks for proving a point. It's quite obvious that a "literal" interpretation of Genesis doesn't mean you interpret it literally. Literal just means you make it mean what you want it to mean.

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Isn't there a Mad TV sketch with a similar plot line?
 
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Edx said:
So when did all those dinosaurs become meat eaters? And when did they gain all the biological attributes capable of doing this?

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Everyone started as herbivores, eating plants, fruits, and vegetables. Then added to this were insects and dead animals (dust) --- man at this point began making bread. The final phase was that the animals and man began to eat each other.

As soon as sin currupted everything the propensity to engage in such sport became inbred...
 
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LittleNipper said:
Everyone started as herbivores, eating plants, fruits, and vegetables. Then added to this were insects and dead animals (dust) --- man at this point began making bread. The final phase was that the animals and man began to eat each other.

As soon as sin currupted everything the propensity to engage in such sport became inbred...
How are dead animals "dust."

Your interpreation isn't literal, it's whatever you need for the Bible to fit your narrow worldview.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Everyone started as herbivores, eating plants, fruits, and vegetables. Then added to this were insects and dead animals (dust) --- man at this point began making bread. The final phase was that the animals and man began to eat each other.

As soon as sin currupted everything the propensity to engage in such sport became inbred...
You’re quite the literalist, Nip. Now you equate carcasses with dust. So, did God create Adam from a dead animal? If there was no death in the Garden, and dust is equivalent to dead animals, there would have been no dust with which to create Adam.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Everyone started as herbivores, eating plants, fruits, and vegetables. Then added to this were insects and dead animals (dust) --- man at this point began making bread. The final phase was that the animals and man began to eat each other.

As soon as sin currupted everything the propensity to engage in such sport became inbred...

I understand you believe that. But since you said snakes were the first to eat meat, when were the carnivorous dinosaurs created?

Ed
 
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nvxplorer said:
You’re quite the literalist, Nip. Now you equate carcasses with dust. So, did God create Adam from a dead animal? If there was no death in the Garden, and dust is equivalent to dead animals, there would have been no dust with which to create Adam.

No, All livings things return to dust. Ground silicone is dust. We contain all sorts of minerals, as do all animals and apes...
 
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LittleNipper said:
No, All livings things return to dust. Ground silicone is dust. We contain all sorts of minerals, as do all animals and apes...

Everything is made of all sorts of minerals, does that mean "dust" can mean anything comprising of matter? It appears so by your definition.
 
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LittleNipper said:
No, All livings things return to dust. Ground silicone is dust. We contain all sorts of minerals, as do all animals and apes...

But you're avoiding the question. The bible does not say the snake will eat flesh, it says it will eat dust. Not flesh, dust. Anything else you read into that are your own interpritation, much like others interprite "days" to mean lengths of time longer than 24 hours.
 
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Edx said:
I understand you believe that. But since you said snakes were the first to eat meat, when were the carnivorous dinosaurs created?

Ed

I believe that they became as such after the fall. I believe Satan and his co-angles were manipulating the genetic code of animals. It seems that Satan was certainly trying to change man... Genesis 6:2 My feeling is that without the FLOOD the Messanic line (the human race itself) would have been totally destroyed. The angels that participated in interbreeding are held to this day in chains for judgment Once Israel was established, Satan continually tried to destroy that nation. Satan is still trying to destroy that nation because there still prophecy to be fufilled.
 
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