Biblical literalism and the story of creation

Alunyel · Jul 13, 2009

That's a very bad analogy.

The universe and scrabble tiles are very different things, one might assume that you put them in place from a - z, but there's no evidence that you did. There's nothing to suggest that you put them down in alphabetical order, aside from the fact they are in alphabetical order, but that's not really solid evidence of anything. You could've just as easily put the vowels down first, there'd be no evidence, aside from what you wrote about it, to suggest either way.

The universe is entirely different, there's stacks and stacks of evidence saying that the Bible got it wrong and no evidence to suggest that the Bible got it right, whereas with the scrabble pieces, your written testimony is all we'd have to work out whether or not you put the vowels down first. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise, but with the universe, there is.

To add to that, it's possible to put the vowels down first, there's nothing stopping you. There's no reason why you'd have to put them down in the correct order, but again, creation according to Genesis is impossible, for the reasons I stated in my previous post, and then some.

dad · Jul 13, 2009

Alunyel said:
After Earth already existed, God created the stars. When he said "Let there be light" and he uses that light to make day and night, then that light can only be the Sun.
...

No. In fact it cannot be the sun. The sun came days later. Since the Spirit of God was hovering over the earth at the time, my guess is that He was that light that lightened the world. The sun would merely take up the slack, or take over the day and night thing at a certain point. Genesis is bullet proof.

Alunyel · Jul 13, 2009

dad said:
No. In fact it cannot be the sun. The sun came days later. Since the Spirit of God was hovering over the earth at the time, my guess is that He was that light that lightened the world. The sun would merely take up the slack, or take over the day and night thing at a certain point. Genesis is bullet proof.

Whatever "light" it was that illuminated the world, it came after the creation of the Earth in Genesis. If the Sun didn't come 'till days later, then that just makes it even worse.

PLANETS CANNOT EXIST BEFORE STARS!

It's the stars that generate the heavy elements that planets are made up of. Saying that Earth came before the Sun is like saying Microsoft Word came before the PC, or cigarettes came before tobacco.

Genesis is reality proof.

Assyrian · Jul 13, 2009

Alunyel said:
After Earth already existed, God created the stars.

Then again, if you look in the creation account in Job 38, we have stars already in existence when God lays the foundations of the earth.
Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurementssurely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
But Creationists tend not to take that bit literally.

juvenissun · Jul 13, 2009

Assyrian said:
Then again, if you look in the creation account in Job 38, we have stars already in existence when God lays the foundations of the earth.
Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurementssurely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
But Creationists tend not to take that bit literally.

Guess not. But it is not metaphoric either. It only has ONE interpretation. It is an one-to-one type of correspondence.

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

Alunyel said:
That's a very bad analogy.

It is, huh?

Let me ask you this:

If anyone claims the tiles were laid in alphabetical order, they would be wrong, wouldn't they?

[Please answer this.]

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

Assyrian said:
Then again, if you look in the creation account in Job 38, we have stars already in existence when God lays the foundations of the earth.

Either that, or the 'morning stars' are the angels.

Assyrian said:
But Creationists tend not to take that bit literally.

Stars sing?

theFijian · Jul 13, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Either that, or the 'morning stars' are the angels.

So out goes that literal interpretation. Cheers!

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2009

dad said:
No. In fact it cannot be the sun. The sun came days later. Since the Spirit of God was hovering over the earth at the time, my guess is that He was that light that lightened the world.

Except nowhere in Genesis does it say where "the spirit of God" was hovering. Considering that He did it all by speaking, He could've very well phoned it in.

Yet another example of adding to the Bible that which is not there.

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Stars sing?

Wouldn't be the most idiotic thing a literalist has tried to foist off.

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

theFijian said:
So out goes that literal interpretation. Cheers!

Ya --- we happen to call that section of the Scriptures 'poetry'.

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Stars sing?

Nathan Poe said:

Wouldn't be the most idiotic thing a literalist has tried to foist off.

Click to expand...

Thegra · Jul 13, 2009

Nathan Poe said:
Except nowhere in Genesis does it say where "the spirit of God" was hovering. Considering that He did it all by speaking, He could've very well phoned it in.

Yet another example of adding to the Bible that which is not there.

Unless I'm something, it does say that.

Genesis 1:2 (NIV):

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Ya --- we happen to call that section of the Scriptures 'poetry'.

Great -- so do we. Now the question is, on what basis do you consider that poetry, but God speaking an entire universe into being in 6 days, 6000 years ago, history?

Because I gotta tell you, I happen to call that part "etiological mythology."

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2009

Thegra said:
Unless I'm something, it does say that.

Genesis 1:2 (NIV):

I stand corrected.

I wonder how much wattage the Spirit of God gives off? Did He outshine the sun or did He tune down his brilliance to its level? Did God limit himself to the visible range or cover the entire electromagnetic spectrum?

Nathan Poe · Jul 13, 2009

AV1611VET said:

What you have there is a picture of a crooner from Hoboken, NJ. The Biblical passage refers to the giant hydrogen/helium reactors floating in our universe.

One of them has sold a lot more albums.

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

Nathan Poe said:
I stand corrected.

I wonder how much wattage the Spirit of God gives off? Did He outshine the sun or did He tune down his brilliance to its level? Did God limit himself to the visible range or cover the entire electromagnetic spectrum?

My own personal belief is that this is the electromagnetic spectrum --- but if I thought the light was "God's light" instead --- I would call it Shekinah Light.

Bombila · Jul 13, 2009

Actual recorded singing of actual stars (giant hydrogen/helium reactors):

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Team records 'music' from stars

Our own star isn't much of a singer compared to others.

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

Nathan Poe said:
What you have there is a picture of a crooner from Hoboken, NJ.

Yes, and who was the most famous person (in my opinion) to come from New Jersey, Nathan?

Do you remember?

AV1611VET · Jul 13, 2009

Bombila said:
Actual recorded singing of actual stars (giant hydrogen/helium reactors):

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Team records 'music' from stars

Our own star isn't much of a singer compared to others.

LOL --- I knew that was coming.

Still though, it doesn't pay homage to the passage (Job 38:7), where these "stars" are applauding the creation of the earth.

Job 38:7 said:
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

This particular passage is what is called Complimentary Hebrew Poetry.

In CHP, a statement is made, then reiterated using different words; thus, in effect, serving as a built-in dictionary at times.

Notice in this case: morning stars = sons of God (a metaphor for angels).

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