Biblical Creationism versus Hindu Creationism

[Split Rock]

I've got news for you: the Vedas were written by Japhethites, who came well after the Creation.

I 've got news for you. The Bible was written long after your supposed creation date. It did not even exist as a complete book until the 4th century. Even today, the different sects of Christianity do not agree which books belong in The Bible and which do not.

 

[salida]

I have loads of evidence but it doesn't mean you will accept it. Peoples will overrides obvious evidence. I can believe the sun is the moon because of my will. I will tell you anyway. Visit: www.TheBibleProofBook.com, The Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it has overwhelming circumstantial evidence that could go in a court of law). Also, Josh wrote this book thinking he was going to prove the bible wrong-instead it proved him wrong and he became a christian. Examine the Evidence by Muncaster(a former athiest).

Biblical Circumstantial Evidence (Scratching the Surface Only)

Internal Evidences
Prophesies that are confirmed within Bible

- Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen 49:10 - Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke's time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5 -Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

**I can list at least 20 more of these.
-Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 - four kingdoms are described in the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek - Daniel 8:21, 10:20) and a fourth great kingdom to follow - part iron and clay - which is the Roman Empire - during this empire Christ came and the church was established - Daniel 2:44.

-Historical Accuracy
The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago, yet has not been proven incorrect on any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament - starts at 25 years - between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years
Caesar - at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies
New Testament - 5,686
Homer - 643
Demosthenes - 200
Plato - 7
Caesar - 10

Consistency
Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.

Claim of Inspiration
It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences
(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never be built again.
Nineveh - Nahum 1:10, 3:7,15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon - Isaiah 13:1-22)
Tyre (Ezekiel 26:1-28)

Bible before Science
He hangs the earth on nothing - Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago - some scholars think it could be even 3000 years ago)
Note: Man only knew this for 350 years
Earth is a sphere, Isaiah 40:22
Air has weight, Job 28:25
Gravity - Job 26:7, Job 38:31-33
Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogoical Finds
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Pssst. "Internal prophecies" mean nothing. Sorry.

NT was written 50-70 years after Jesus lived. Matthew and Luke were copied heavily from Mark. I could go on, but you wouldn't be interested anyway. When one makes no discernment between fact and anecdotal stories (i.e. 'he set out to write a book to disprove A, and totally became a believer in A), it's kind of pointless to even discuss.

 

[Split Rock]

Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.

No internal inconsistencies?? There are two different Creation Accounts in Genesis and Four Different Gospels in the New Testament. The only way you can claim The Bible has no internal inconsistencies is to assume that and then come up with excuses to wave all the inconsistencies away, because they cannot exist by definition. Tell me something... if you assume The Bible has no inconsistenceies, how do you recognize them if you see them?

 

[rcscwc]

Science doesn't come with copyrights.

... and bible is copy righted. Poor Tyndale was burnt for violation of copy rights.

 

[pgp_protector]

... and bible is copy righted. Poor Tyndale was burnt for violation of copy rights.

Well to be fair, all books nowadays have a copyright, and the original text didn't (than again none of the text from that time had a copyright that I know of)

Also their are quite a few Public domain versions available.

 

[rcscwc]

No, the Bible is right on time --- more accurate than tomorrow's newspaper.

The "Telephone Game" does not apply to the Bible.

Yea. NT mentions a star at the birth of Jesus. With surprising accuracy and inerrancy, the star cannot be identified.

The "guarantee" you're looking for is stated within Its pages.

Seen circular logic any number of times.

Namely that God doesn't lie, and that He will keep His Words pure and eternal.

He lied to Adam that he would die, but he lived for 1000 years!!

I don't know your level of knowledge, but I came up with an equation to show just how accurate the Bible is:

ΔH[sub]Bible[/sub] = 0​

What this is simply saying, is that there are no changes in the Bible's [blessed] information over time.

ΔH[sub]Gita[/sub] = 0​

What this is simply saying, is that there are no changes in the Gita's [blessed] information over time.

Now a catholic friend told me thaeir are 40,000 versions of Gita. Curiously, all are unchanded.

But Gita exists in ONE and only version. Period.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yea. NT mentions a star at the birth of Jesus. With surprising accuracy and inerrancy, the star cannot be identified.

Ain't that too bad?

You mean the star cannot be scientifically identified, right?

Seen circular logic any number of times.

Circular logic does not bother me.

Does it bother you?

He lied to Adam that he would die, but he lived for 1000 years!!

And then what happened?

( He died --- )

ΔH[sub]Gita[/sub] = 0

You do know what the Bhagavad-Gita is, don't you?

And, more importantly, why it was written?

Now a catholic friend told me thaeir are 40,000 versions of Gita. Curiously, all are unchanded.

All that attests to is hi-fidelity in copying.

Anyone can make a copy of something --- let's see this Gita translated at least six times, over a period of 2000 years --- and still maintain its integrity.

But Gita exists in ONE and only version. Period.

Then what is this?

 

[rcscwc]

I 've got news for you. The Bible was written long after your supposed creation date. It did not even exist as a complete book until the 4th century. Even today, the different sects of Christianity do not agree which books belong in The Bible and which do not.

I have another news. Gosples were written by Hindus. Reason why it has an imprint of Bhagwad Gita.

 

[rcscwc]

Originally Posted by rcscwc
Yea. NT mentions a star at the birth of Jesus. With surprising accuracy and inerrancy, the star cannot be identified.

Ain't that too bad?

Yeah. Bad for inerrancy of bible.

You mean the star cannot be scientifically identified, right?

Which other way is there. Krishna was born under star Rohini and it is identifiable even today.
Originally Posted by rcscwc

Seen circular logic any number of times.

Circular logic does not bother me.

Of course it never bothered a xian. Come on, they cannot be bothered with logic itself.

Does it bother you?

No. Your circularity gives me laffs.
Originally Posted by rcscwc

He lied to Adam that he would die, but he lived for 1000 years!!

And then what happened?
( He died --- )

Being mortal he died. But he died a HUMAN not an automaton he was in Eden.

And, more importantly, why it was written?

Who said it was written? It was revealed. Later penned down. A big difference.
Originally Posted by rcscwc

Now a catholic friend told me thaeir are 40,000 versions of Gita. Curiously, all are unchanded.

All that attests to is hi-fidelity in copying.

Ha. Talk of being inerrant when you could not even copy faithfully. Some literary feat. No?

Anyone can make a copy of something --- let's see this Gita translated at least six times, over a period of 2000 years --- and still maintain its integrity.

Gita has been translated 10,000 times and counting. But they are not versions. The only version is original Sanskrit.
Originally Posted by rcscwc

But Gita exists in ONE and only version. Period.

Then what is this?

A translation in English, not a version. A bible comes with Version written in its title, Gita does not. None of Gita's translators claim to have a version.

 

[AV1611VET]

Gita has been translated 10,000 times and counting. But they are not versions. The only version is original Sanskrit.

This is from the Occultism & Parapsychology Encyclopedia:

Numerous translations of the Gita exist in English (and other Western languages), the different translations reflecting the variant understandings of the deity as personal or impersonal http://www.answers.com/topic/impersonalin Hindu thought. In the Western work, the Vedanta Societies http://www.answers.com/topic/vedanta-societyoffer an impersonalist interpretation of the deity while the International Society of Krishna Consciousness is a major exponent http://www.answers.com/topic/exponentof the personalist approach.

And this is from Wikipedia:

The date and the author of the Gītā is not known with certainty and scholars of an earlier generation opined that it was composed between the 5th and the 2nd century BCE.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't mean to give you a hard time, rcscwc, and I apologize for coming on so strongly; but the fact of the matter is that we serve a risen Savior, Who died on the cross for the sins of all of mankind --- including yours and mine.

Please consider accepting His simple offer to admit you are powerless when it comes to doing what is right in God's sight, and accept His gracious (and free) gift of everlasting life in Heaven.

 

[rcscwc]

Prophecies
Jews reject all the alleged prophecies.
Talking of prophecies, xians have "discovered" such prophecies in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures too.
Pro=facies they are.

History
Not surprising. After the authors did live in some settled areas. Hmm. Much older Chinese and Hindu texts too are very accurate in this regard.
Nothing unique.

Consistency
What was the color of Jesus's clothes when he was taken to cross. Purple? Or scarlet? Or yellow, red, blue?
Resolve it first then talk of consistency.

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

All these predate bible and were copied. Include Hammarabi's code too, copied by Moses.


What was the prophecied date of birth? OK, year. NONE? So bad.

Which was the Star? None was there to record it.

 

[rcscwc]

I don't mean to give you a hard time, rcscwc, and I apologize for coming on so strongly;

In fact mine was a stronger reaction, hard to counter.

but the fact of the matter is that we serve a risen Savior, Who died on the cross for the sins of all of mankind --- including yours and mine.

No problem with your beliefs. But don't try to prove that they are true.

 

[rcscwc]

And they just happened to give the boot to the Caste System, right?

One day the Caste System is part and parcel of Hinduism, then the next day, it is not?

I give the walkover here. You are static, rather in stasis. No woman priests, not ever.

 

[rcscwc]

Originally Posted by rcscwc

Gita has been translated 10,000 times and counting. But they are not versions. The only version is original Sanskrit.
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This is from the Occultism & Parapsychology Encyclopedia:

Numerous translations of the Gita exist in English (and other Western languages), the different translations reflecting the variant understandings of the deity as personal or impersonal in Hindu thought. In the Western work, the Vedanta Societies offer an impersonalist interpretation of the deity while the International Society of Krishna Consciousness is a major exponent of the personalist approach.
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Yeah. Numerous interpretations. But just ONE version.
And this is from Wikipedia:

The date and the author of the Gītā is not known with certainty and scholars of an earlier generation opined that it was composed between the 5th and the 2nd century BCE.
​

Wiki a final word?
Now, now. Gita comes in ONE version only.
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