Bible Origin

[Neogaia777]

Nice. How Christian of you!

Sorry if I am bit frustrated, but I'm not Jesus, but Jesus is Jesus, and God is God, so appeal to them, for they are much better than I...

IMO you people have no excuse for not believing... Hopefully God's opinion of you is different...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

lol im sry but that comment made me laugh

Walking in your pride, it would... We'll just see how far, and where that, an what that will get you in life...

God Bless!

 

[Serving Zion]

I think he's saying "it doesn't matter" if it "true" cause truth is truth, and the Bible is the number one, greatest source of truth...

And if you can't see that, (or for those that can't see that), they/you are poor (spiritually) and are naked and pitiable and blind (spiritually)... And know nothing spiritually and can discern nothing, (especially truth), spiritually, and are the "walking dead" and are actually dead, or no better than dead, already (spiritually)...

More than likely, You'll find what you are looking for... If your looking for truth, you'll find truth, but if your looking for lies, or a reason to "not believe" then you'll probably find that as well, (or instead) (of truth)...

So, deceive yourself if you wish...

God Bless!

I would rather that you let the OP speak for himself, and I think OP should agree.

Because when we hear or read something we attempt to identify the source to confirm authenticity. This is tricky when we argue that its God as the source. How does one authenticate it - well of course we can't otherwise thered be no debatesw, there would be one religion, and no atheists.

This is not how I discern right and wrong (eg: 2 Corinthians 5:16, Proverbs 2:11-12, Leviticus 19:15).

To discern right and wrong the way you described is to release one's own authority of judgement to a party that we have assumed is fit to make that judgement (which might have even been that we ourselves were satisfied with that person at a previous time). The problem with this, is that the qualification (ie the day on which the reputation was granted) was awarded upon satisfactory assessment on a given day and a given topic, but not by specific analysis of the spiritual state and the content of the statement that is being presently assessed.

In other words, it is to prejudice belief of the rightness of a person's statement based upon a status of having been recognised as making a right statement in the past. This is to show favouritism in judgement, whereas God is not a respector of persons, but a righteous judge at all times.

 

[klutedavid]

what would yall think if the bible was wrote by humans? how do yall know its a legit source if yall dont know who the actual author is?

Jesus Christ is what the Bible is really all about.

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically, although the quest for the historical Jesus has produced little agreement on the historical reliability of the Gospels and on how closely the Jesus portrayed in the Bible reflects the historical Jesus. (wikipedia)

A very debated topic, the historical reliability of the Gospels. Yet we have four different accounts of Jesus in the scripture by four different men. There are differences in the Gospel accounts and
sometimes these differences are obvious.

If we look at the resurrection accounts, each Gospel has a different account. This is what I would expect and these four different accounts are very powerful proofs. That the event of the resurrection itself, most certainly took place. If the four accounts were identical I probably would have been very suspicious. Yet the accounts are at odds with one another, the sources for each account remembered the event differently. What a subtle and tremendous authenticity these different authors add to the narrative of the resurrection of Jesus.

We know for a fact that these authors were not copying from a common source, simply because the resurrection accounts are different from one another.

Paul remarked in his letter to the Corinthians, that there were over five hundred witnesses of the risen Christ. The resurrection accounts a proof positive that there were indeed many witnesses.
The majesty and the power of the scripture can never be under estimated.

 

[X-Ray]

Don't have to be though, this is the value of peer review and the proper purpose of communication.

Only those who are not made perfect in love (sin is the opposite of love - selfish vs selfless).

You may make that judgement only by assessing facts, not by prejudice as you have done. Jesus said "Be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect", and St. Peter (who knew Jesus) said "you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation". The scriptures promote a concept of being made holy through repentance (in absence of sin, only holiness remains).

he knew we arent perfect though, he knows us as humans can not we were sinners from the start; once a sinner always a sinner.

All of the people who wrote the book (over ~1600 years, btw) were approached and called by God (as far as I know - there could be exceptions).

ik but ig im just bringing up theories lol its good food for the brain

I am not familiar with looking at idols for safety, tbh. I am Christian, so I don't even understand how an idol might make a person feel safe. It is only the work of a person's hands.

i mean think about it would u feel better under anarchy or a president? that is what i mean by idol.

It is interesting that you think so. This is a belief that I don't have. I meet people who clearly don't want to be led by a higher power, or to be made clean.

This is where your discernment is key to your topic, and the second time you have revealed a prejudice toward that judgement. How can you know that an angel is trust worthy? They are not mortal as we are, and how well do you understand their desires and role in the world? And for that point, seeing as Jesus is resurrected and is here in our midst, how is it that you expect to recognise Him when He speaks?

i believe an angel would be credible bc for one the loyal and holy and pure are still with jesus and god yes? the ones that have been thrown to the curb are the ones who are unholy and have disobeyed god so...lol jus think about it.

I agree with this.

I wonder if you really meant to say that they twist it into something that distorts the bibles preachings? That's what I would have said. I am big on this. Plus, it doesn't help at all that the original language has been lost to us. Consider this article about how the ancient Hebrew language is lost to us, and this article about how language shapes the way we think:

yes

Spoiler: How language shapes the way we think

(Laughter)

Now, if everything has gone relatively well in your life so far, you probably haven't had that thought before.
sir/ maam thats honestly rly rude even if u meant it as a joke. no ones life is perfect if u think someone who has been neglected and faced depression, been abused, sexually assaulted, been bullied etc etc...if u think that life is perfect then idk what life ur living but god bless.

(Laughter)

But now I've just made you think it, through language.

Now of course, there isn't just one language in the world, there are about 7,000 languages spoken around the world. And all the languages differ from one another in all kinds of ways. Some languages have different sounds, they have different vocabularies, and they also have different structures -- very importantly, different structures. That begs the question: Does the language we speak shape the way we think? Now, this is an ancient question. People have been speculating about this question forever. Charlemagne, Holy Roman emperor, said, "To have a second language is to have a second soul" -- strong statement that language crafts reality. But on the other hand, Shakespeare has Juliet say, "What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Well, that suggests that maybe language doesn't craft reality.

These arguments have gone back and forth for thousands of years. But until recently, there hasn't been any data to help us decide either way. Recently, in my lab and other labs around the world, we've started doing research, and now we have actual scientific data to weigh in on this question.

So let me tell you about some of my favorite examples. I'll start with an example from an Aboriginal community in Australia that I had the chance to work with. These are the Kuuk Thaayorre people. They live in Pormpuraaw at the very west edge of Cape York. What's cool about Kuuk Thaayorre is, in Kuuk Thaayorre, they don't use words like "left" and "right," and instead, everything is in cardinal directions: north, south, east and west. And when I say everything, I really mean everything. You would say something like, "Oh, there's an ant on your southwest leg." Or, "Move your cup to the north-northeast a little bit." In fact, the way that you say "hello" in Kuuk Thaayorre is you say, "Which way are you going?" And the answer should be, "North-northeast in the far distance. How about you?"

So imagine as you're walking around your day, every person you greet, you have to report your heading direction.

(Laughter)

But that would actually get you oriented pretty fast, right? Because you literally couldn't get past "hello," if you didn't know which way you were going. In fact, people who speak languages like this stay oriented really well. They stay oriented better than we used to think humans could. We used to think that humans were worse than other creatures because of some biological excuse: "Oh, we don't have magnets in our beaks or in our scales." No; if your language and your culture trains you to do it, actually, you can do it. There are humans around the world who stay oriented really well.

And just to get us in agreement about how different this is from the way we do it, I want you all to close your eyes for a second and point southeast.

(Laughter)

Keep your eyes closed. Point. OK, so you can open your eyes. I see you guys pointing there, there, there, there, there ... I don't know which way it is myself --

(Laughter)

You have not been a lot of help.

(Laughter)

So let's just say the accuracy in this room was not very high. This is a big difference in cognitive ability across languages, right? Where one group -- very distinguished group like you guys -- doesn't know which way is which, but in another group, I could ask a five-year-old and they would know.

(Laughter)

There are also really big differences in how people think about time. So here I have pictures of my grandfather at different ages. And if I ask an English speaker to organize time, they might lay it out this way, from left to right. This has to do with writing direction. If you were a speaker of Hebrew or Arabic, you might do it going in the opposite direction, from right to left.

Languages also differ in how they describe events, right? You take an event like this, an accident. In English, it's fine to say, "He broke the vase." In a language like Spanish, you might be more likely to say, "The vase broke," or, "The vase broke itself." If it's an accident, you wouldn't say that someone did it. In English, quite weirdly, we can even say things like, "I broke my arm." Now, in lots of languages, you couldn't use that construction unless you are a lunatic and you went out looking to break your arm -- (Laughter) and you succeeded. If it was an accident, you would use a different construction.

Now, this has consequences. So, people who speak different languages will pay attention to different things, depending on what their language usually requires them to do. So we show the same accident to English speakers and Spanish speakers, English speakers will remember who did it, because English requires you to say, "He did it; he broke the vase." Whereas Spanish speakers might be less likely to remember who did it if it's an accident, but they're more likely to remember that it was an accident. They're more likely to remember the intention. So, two people watch the same event, witness the same crime, but end up remembering different things about that event. This has implications, of course, for eyewitness testimony. It also has implications for blame and punishment. So if you take English speakers and I just show you someone breaking a vase, and I say, "He broke the vase," as opposed to "The vase broke," even though you can witness it yourself, you can watch the video, you can watch the crime against the vase, you will punish someone more, you will blame someone more if I just said, "He broke it," as opposed to, "It broke." The language guides our reasoning about events.

Lera Boroditsky, TedWomen 2017
Transcript of "How language shapes the way we think"

.. And I have to say that the English language is notoriously ambiguous. It is no wonder that so many people have been put wrong about the scriptures through having read (or learned doctrine from readers of) the English translations.

It's not just the church, but the whole world does this, and unfortunately, everyone has been corrupted by the system/s before they find out that their words are able to teach.

I agree with your sentiment, but then we enter a slippery slope - how will the knowledge of God survive if nobody is teaching it? (allow me to suggest again, that there is also a spiritual language in which God communicates with us. The ones who have been corrupted by the system have come to trust only on their carnal perspective and they do not recognise His voice when He speaks - hence my first question to you.

i believe if ur going to teach someone something give the only 1st source u have which in this case would be the bible u let them read it and u can give ur opinions and such to let them see what u see but to debate as we are now it puts that person seeing 2 sides of a spectrum and also gives that person insight on where they come from.

What bearing does a person's name/identity/body have upon their statements - whether true or false?

its like with someone being 1st source and someone else being 2nd source. u kno ur lifes story no one knows it all but u correct? thats the same with jesus and god ur giving the pen to someone else assuming their claims are real and assuming what theyre writing is real can someone else tell the same story, remember every twist and turn that u went through and just say it from heart? i think not unless u told them that story again and again but i dont think so lol

Then you will have to concede that you were impatient with me to begin with. If that continues it will prove that we cannot achieve anything of value together. That would be a waste.

 

[klutedavid]

Walking in your pride, it would... We'll just see how far, and where that, an what that will get you in life...

God Bless!

Don't be too hard on this fellow, you know he does not know the truth. I feel very sorry for all those folk that do not know Jesus. I was in the same place that he is now, until half way through my life.

Someone bothered to tell me about Jesus and that dramatically changed my life. Once an enemy of Christ in nature but now an advocate for the risen Christ.

I pray and hope that one day God has mercy on him, just the same as when God had mercy on us.

 

[X-Ray]

The Bible is for the strong, it is for soldiers who will soldier on... It for seekers or truth, who are willing to work and labor to discern and uncover the truth through the world's lies... The weak can be dismissed and go back home and crawl back into their holes and die in them for all I care... cause I'm not Jesus...

God Bless!

i dont think that as a christian u should be saying that at all. u are not to judge that is a sin if ur as devoted to jesus as u say then act accordingly when ur introducing new ideas into the world and trying to get ppl to see what u see u dont go for the immediate "kill" think about jesus and how he would preach to others jesus loved and cared for others as his own if ur a follower of god then u want to follow in his footsteps he is the father UR father which u are to respect love and trust if u do then stop discriminating the bible is for the weak too it is to pick ppl up when they fall moses fell and was taught the teachings of the bible, jesus fell and was taught teachings of the bible... it goes on it might not have been written yet but they were taught by god himself and through his son no?

 

[X-Ray]

Don't be too hard on this fellow, you know he does not know the truth. I feel very sorry for all those folk that do not know Jesus. I was in the same place that he is now, until half way through my life.

Someone bothered to tell me about Jesus and that dramatically changed my life. Once an enemy of Christ in nature but now an advocate for the risen Christ.

I pray and hope that one day God has mercy on him, just the same as when God had mercy on us.

thank u u are very polite maybe u should take his place in teaching us the ways of christ

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, I apologize, I was being told I behaved improperly, sorry...

I just get frustrated sometimes, sorry...

God just asked me like he asked Jonah, "Are your rightfully hot with anger, J...?" And I said, "I don't know for sure, I think I am, or was, but now that you asked, I'm not so sure...?" He told me "he suggests I find the answer to that question before going off on people or someone...?" I said, "Yes, Lord, sorry..." And I will apologize to them too, K...?" He said "Good, do that..."

So, I'm sorry OK...? I was in the wrong... I'm only human, and you just don't know how hard I've been working lately to try and get people to believe, just believe, and I feel like I've done a lot, A LOT, toward that aim...

Sorry, K...?

I'll try to be a bit more rational now and not so hot-headed, K...?

Peace,

God Bless!

 

[X-Ray]

Walking in your pride, it would... We'll just see how far, and where that, an what that will get you in life...

God Bless!

i have every reason not to believe in god and apparently u dont get humor, ive been in the dark and with my background ive seen almost everything and im young. i was always a good person i was taught by my mother who i am my father wasnt there to teach me for he served the country...anywho i got straight As, i did community service, i lied a lot as a youngster but i always read the bible and asked god for forgiveness, i wasnt a complete christian either but i was forced to be one when my mom fell in love with another woman it angered me at first but then i was so used to being pushed around she made me go to church she made me drink the churches wine even though im allergic. the woman wasnt bad she just was very devoted ig. i had fun i made friends, i had a fun time talking to ppl and learning their stories i had rough patches then and honestly then i didnt know i had a dad i didnt even know how babies were made so no lol no way of knowing which that and a few other things made me depressed. honestly i thought it ridiculous gays and bis were warded out of churches i mean for gods sake its not the 1950s maybe then it was ok but its 2018 heavens sake. i loved everyone and i tried not to be jealous, not to sin, nothing i wanted to be noticed by god so i tried my best bc i heard the holy were looked upon and jesus loves us all so i believed i prayed i sang the gospel and i did everything i could for the church just so god could notice me no matter how much i cried or how much i prayed for god to help me he never did. i was constantly depressed bc of it bc the person i loved and idolized didnt love me back? he didnt help me at all i listened to joel olsteen, i listened to my pastor, i listened to the bible...nothing happened

 

[X-Ray]

Yes, I apologize, I was being told I behaved improperly, sorry...

I just get frustrated sometimes, sorry...

God just asked me like he asked Jonah, "Are your rightfully hot with anger, J...?" And I said, "I don't know for sure, I think I am, or was, but now that you asked, I'm not so sure...?" He told me "he suggests I find the answer to that question before going off on people or someone...?" I said, "Yes, Lord, sorry..." And I will apologize to them too, K...?" He said "Good, do that..."

So, I'm sorry OK...? I was in the wrong... I'm only human, and you just don't know how hard I've been working lately to try and get people to believe, just believe, and I feel like I've done a lot, A LOT, toward that aim...

Sorry, K...?

I'll try to be a bit more rational now and not so hot-headed, K...?

Peace,

God Bless!

honestly i understand its like talking to a wall sometimes with ppl, ur human and i respect that so yes i accept ur apology and i bet god will see how much work uve put into others and him and surely reward u later on in life.

 

[Serving Zion]

he knew we arent perfect though, he knows us as humans can not we were sinners from the start; once a sinner always a sinner.

The Christian message does not promote this view, but rather that through repentance we become less of the sinner we once were.

"Do not be conformed to the pattern of the world, but be transformed by the renewing of the mind".
Romans 12:2

Not only that, but the definition of sin is as God decrees - we are made righteous in His sight by trust and obedience to Him. John 15:3 "You have already been made clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Abide in me and I will abide in you", Romans 8:1 "There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, who live not according to the flesh but the spirit".

i mean think about it would u feel better under anarchy or a president? that is what i mean by idol.

I am very happy to support a President that exercises good discernment with righteous values. I think that is better than a so-called anarchy, because even with anarchy there will be leaders of sorts and then eventually the pyramid system is re-established. In Christianity, we observe a Theocratic Monarchy, where our King is close and personal to each of us. There is no pyramid structure in that system of authority, we are either right or wrong and we have individual characters that make us more or less suited to a given responsibility. But the one who is greatest is the slave of all.

i believe an angel would be credible bc for one the loyal and holy and pure are still with jesus and god yes? the ones that have been thrown to the curb are the ones who are unholy and have disobeyed god so...lol jus think about it.

I assure you that I think about it a lot. What do you think happens when a significant number have been thrown to the curb? (consider 2 Corinthians 11:14).

i believe if ur going to teach someone something give the only 1st source u have which in this case would be the bible u let them read it and u can give ur opinions and such to let them see what u see but to debate as we are now it puts that person seeing 2 sides of a spectrum and also gives that person insight on where they come from.

The word of God is not merely text on paper, it is all in the comprehensions that get drawn in the mind. In that way, when The Holy Spirit is handling scripture, it is speaking divine word that He, as a spirit, uses in the recipient's mind to paint a picture. This is how it is written "The Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than a two-edged sword, cutting through joints and marrow to reveal the intention of the heart". There are people that handle scripture in a less spiritual way, more regimented and taught, as it were. They aren't really assessing what the specific comprehensions are that the person needs to receive, but rather they are wanting to bring that person into agreement with their agenda. That is a selfless servant approach (love) vs a selfish sinner that does not have love.

its like with someone being 1st source and someone else being 2nd source. u kno ur lifes story no one knows it all but u correct? thats the same with jesus and god ur giving the pen to someone else assuming their claims are real and assuming what theyre writing is real can someone else tell the same story, remember every twist and turn that u went through and just say it from heart? i think not unless u told them that story again and again but i dont think so lol

The words, whether from a bible or other place, have an impact on the mind. That impact grows as we develop understanding. One of the things that Jesus said is "The wind blows where it will, you know it is there by the sound it makes, but where it came from or where it goes, nobody can say. So it is for those born of the spirit". This describes that there is a spark that suddenly ignites when a comprehension leads a person to begin walking on that path. Then as they read the scriptures, their perspective of the words is building upon that comprehension. The same is true in the inverse. Jesus also said "The eye is a lamp for the body, through which the whole body is made full of light. If the eye is good, then the body is full of light, but if the eye is bad then the body is full of darkness. Then, if the light a person thinks he has is really darkness, how deep that darkness". Of course, I am talking about being born again.

So the Word of God is about the spirit, and that is essentially love. When love abides in us, and love compels us, then our knowledge is useful to The Holy Spirit as He is the one who makes us all grow individually. But as you can see, that perspective is so important as to what value we are getting from the words of a spiritual writer. This is why I made a pocket-sized booklet, that shows what the scriptures say about the basics of Christianity, and through it the reader can get a sense of the way God speaks to us (because God is spirit).

 

[Neogaia777]

i have every reason not to believe in god and apparently u dont get humor, ive been in the dark and with my background ive seen almost everything and im young. i was always a good person i was taught by my mother who i am my father wasnt there to teach me for he served the country...anywho i got straight As, i did community service, i lied a lot as a youngster but i always read the bible and asked god for forgiveness, i wasnt a complete christian either but i was forced to be one when my mom fell in love with another woman it angered me at first but then i was so used to being pushed around she made me go to church she made me drink the churches wine even though im allergic. the woman wasnt bad she just was very devoted ig. i had fun i made friends, i had a fun time talking to ppl and learning their stories i had rough patches then and honestly then i didnt know i had a dad i didnt even know how babies were made so no lol no way of knowing which that and a few other things made me depressed. honestly i thought it ridiculous gays and bis were warded out of churches i mean for gods sake its not the 1950s maybe then it was ok but its 2018 heavens sake. i loved everyone and i tried not to be jealous, not to sin, nothing i wanted to be noticed by god so i tried my best bc i heard the holy were looked upon and jesus loves us all so i believed i prayed i sang the gospel and i did everything i could for the church just so god could notice me no matter how much i cried or how much i prayed for god to help me he never did. i was constantly depressed bc of it bc the person i loved and idolized didnt love me back? he didnt help me at all i listened to joel olsteen, i listened to my pastor, i listened to the bible...nothing happened

How old are you...? You know sometimes God allows people to go through hell to see how they handle it and then does good and makes good come out of it and makes it all good and much better in the end, if they keep the faith, that is...

You can feel however you want to about God for this, but just keep in mind that he forsook his very own only begotten favorite Son, in his hour of greatest most desperate hour of need...

"Why" is the big question, that we all ponder... But if he did not spare even his own Son, who didn't do anything wrong EVER, and was certainly the least deserving of all of us, to get the hell he got (in this life) and to be treated the way he was treated (in this life), then we are not immune by any means either...

But part of the answer to why is for the every great reward he would get for it, but only in the end, or after this life... It is also to train, teach us and refine us... scriptures say that even Christ himself "learned obedience through the things he suffered"... if that was how he had to learn, why do we think it would be any different for us...?

We must be like soldiers of faith when it comes to suffering, like Christ was, and endure till the end, (not in pride though, but in humbleness and humility) and God promises, PROMISES US, that we will be rewarded, and it will all be made right and well worth it in the end, and God keeps his promises and does not lie, ever...

As far as the Church and Church people go... Honestly, I sometimes wonder if they are the most wicked of the entire bunch... I don't go to Church much, not because of that, but because it just not benefit me (or others) very much... Most churches would want to get rid of me as quick as possible anyway, once they found out my true beliefs...

There too heretical, they would call them, too much and too controversial for them, so it does not really benefit me or them, my being there, so I just don't go most of the time...

But, I am all about God and the Bible though, but my beliefs, most people can't handle, so...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[X-Ray]

The Christian message does not promote this view, but rather that through repentance we become less of the sinner we once were.

"Do not be conformed to the pattern of the world, but be transformed by the renewing of the mind".
Romans 12:2

Not only that, but the definition of sin is as God decrees - we are made righteous in His sight by trust and obedience to Him. John 15:3 "You have already been made clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Abide in me and I will abide in you", Romans 8:1 "There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, who live not according to the flesh but the spirit".

I am very happy to support a President that exercises good discernment with righteous values. I think that is better than a so-called anarchy, because even with anarchy there will be leaders of sorts and then eventually the pyramid system is re-established. In Christianity, we observe a Theocratic Monarchy, where our King is close and personal to each of us. There is no pyramid structure in that system of authority, we are either right or wrong and we have individual characters that make us more or less suited to a given responsibility. But the one who is greatest is the slave of all.

I assure you that I think about it a lot. What do you think happens when a significant number have been thrown to the curb? (consider 2 Corinthians 11:14).

The word of God is not merely text on paper, it is all in the comprehensions that get drawn in the mind. In that way, when The Holy Spirit is handling scripture, it is speaking divine word that He, as a spirit, uses in the recipient's mind to paint a picture. This is how it is written "The Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than a two-edged sword, cutting through joints and marrow to reveal the intention of the heart". There are people that handle scripture in a less spiritual way, more regimented and taught, as it were. They aren't really assessing what the specific comprehensions are that the person needs to receive, but rather they are wanting to bring that person into agreement with their agenda. That is a selfless servant approach (love) vs a selfish sinner that does not have love.

The words, whether from a bible or other place, have an impact on the mind. That impact grows as we develop understanding. One of the things that Jesus said is "The wind blows where it will, you know it is there by the sound it makes, but where it came from or where it goes, nobody can say. So it is for those born of the spirit". This describes that there is a spark that suddenly ignites when a comprehension leads a person to begin walking on that path. Then as they read the scriptures, their perspective of the words is building upon that comprehension. The same is true in the inverse. Jesus also said "The eye is a lamp for the body, through which the whole body is made full of light. If the eye is good, then the body is full of light, but if the eye is bad then the body is full of darkness. Then, if the light a person thinks he has is really darkness, how deep that darkness". Of course, I am talking about being born again.

So the Word of God is about the spirit, and that is essentially love. When love abides in us, and love compels us, then our knowledge is useful to The Holy Spirit as He is the one who makes us all grow individually. But as you can see, that perspective is so important as to what value we are getting from the words of a spiritual writer. This is why I made a pocket-sized booklet, that shows what the scriptures say about the basics of Christianity, and through it the reader can get a sense of the way God speaks to us (because God is spirit).

honestly lots of us are kicked to the curb only about 15% of us go to heaven i dont know how the people that are in heaven can "sleep" if they know about hell, where the rest of the population goes for either not being a follower which is ridiculous or being a sinner how do the people in heaven go on so carelessly if they know there are ppl being burned and tortured for sins and some not even sins to me at all. beliefs are sins??? and god is to know all, see all, be all in a sense...if this is so then why did he create us knowing his followers are going to a place where were going to be tortured, a place where were going to be in extreme pain and just be sinners. he is us yet we believe we have free will when we are all in the palm of his hand we are prophisized to do something bc god already planned it he is our father who already pretty much planned out our life. god is a god who is cruel, harsh, yet misunderstood. he breaks his rules being angry, even if its righteous anger its still anger u still have the same word in it ur just pretty much sugar coating it in a way. i love jesus as a person bc i believe in origin lol love the word too god didnt create himself and nothing can just appear which does leave the question on who made us im thinking maybe later about 100-500 yrs we'll kno maybe later.

as for his teachings being script it basically is there are some theroies that when jesus left it had an impact but then years and years later we forgot and got back into it with the book. i think if the church makes u corrupted then dont "follow the leader" u make ur own church whether it be in your room in the corner, your garden in your backyard, or your study place u can make it into a place of teachings if your going to be devoted stay devoted and develop what you know and believe. u surrounding yourself in a place only spreads the "illness" if u stay in a place where the spanish fever is you become a victim and it spreads...same thing we are witnessing now. i know too many people whos opinions are based off of the churches, they were born with that church, raised with that church, and grew with that church so why now make ourselves our own sanctuary where we can learn with our scripture and our god. if you can not find sanctuary then build it

 

[X-Ray]

How old are you...? You know sometimes God allows people to go through hell to see how they handle it and then does good and makes good come out of it and makes it all good and much better in the end, if they keep the faith, that is...

You can feel however you want to about God for this, but just keep in mind that he forsook his very own only begotten favorite Son, in his hour of greatest most desperate hour of need...

"Why" is the big question, that we all ponder... But if he did not spare even his own Son, who didn't do anything wrong EVER, and was certainly the least deserving of all of us, to get the hell he got (in this life) and to be treated the way he was treated (in this life), then we are not immune by any means either...

But part of the answer to why is for the every great reward he would get for it, but only in the end, or after this life... It is also to train, teach us and refine us... scriptures say that even Christ himself "learned obedience through the things he suffered"... if that was how he had to learn, why do we think it would be any different for us...?

We must be like soldiers of faith when it comes to suffering, like Christ was, and endure till the end, (not in pride though, but in humbleness and humility) and God promises, PROMISES US, that we will be rewarded, and it will all be made right and well worth it in the end, and God keeps his promises and does not lie, ever...

As far as the Church and Church people go... Honestly, I sometimes wonder if they are the most wicked of the entire bunch... I don't go to Church much, not because of that, but because it just not benefit me (or others) very much... Most churches would want to get rid of me as quick as possible anyway, once they found out my true beliefs...

There too heretical, they would call them, too much and too controversial for them, so it does not really benefit me or them, my being there, so I just don't go most of the time...

But, I am all about God and the Bible though, but my beliefs, most people can't handle, so...

Anyway,

God Bless!

yes im 15, and i agree about the church part i believe however ppl take the scripture of the bible they turn it into something that makes sense just something our brain automatically does with anything really; and when they take those beliefs they teach it to others whether its right or wrong they preach they might not know they are wrong but rly dont u wonder? how many of us are being taught the word of god and how many of us are being lied to? i remember there was this person i was debating with about Christianity and Catholicism being the same thing i said no and he was so stuck on it being yes...his church preaches to him ALL christians are catholics and all catholics are christians which doesnt make sense to me bc mary and jesus/ god arent the same thing??? people are just being taught correctly and thats the thing im getting at here lol

 

[Kalevalatar]

Jesus didn't publish books or share lecture notes. He didn't command his disciples to teach the Bible to the letter. He didn't give out Bibles and tell people to read it.

Instead, Jesus sent out people, who most likely did not make notes of His lectures either, and told them to teach the rest of us as He had taught His discplines. All they had was the few, three or so, short years following Jesus and their personal observance of how Jesus interacted with the world and how He treated people. That's the point of Christianity.

 

[Serving Zion]

honestly lots of us are kicked to the curb only about 15% of us go to heaven i dont know how the people that are in heaven can "sleep" if they know about hell, where the rest of the population goes for either not being a follower which is ridiculous or being a sinner how do the people in heaven go on so carelessly if they know there are ppl being burned and tortured for sins and some not even sins to me at all. beliefs are sins??? and god is to know all, see all, be all in a sense...if this is so then why did he create us knowing his followers are going to a place where were going to be tortured, a place where were going to be in extreme pain and just be sinners. he is us yet we believe we have free will when we are all in the palm of his hand we are prophisized to do something bc god already planned it he is our father who already pretty much planned out our life. god is a god who is cruel, harsh, yet misunderstood. he breaks his rules being angry, even if its righteous anger its still anger u still have the same word in it ur just pretty much sugar coating it in a way. i love jesus as a person bc i believe in origin lol love the word too god didnt create himself and nothing can just appear which does leave the question on who made us im thinking maybe later about 100-500 yrs we'll kno maybe later.

This reveals that you've had quite a bit of exposure to the false doctrines of the antichrist, that has a majority representation in churches these days. I am sorry that you have been affected by this, but yes certainly cling to the God you know instinctively (God is good), and recognise that what we have been saying all along is that the world is fallen, yet it causes every baby born into it to contract it's disease. Then we come to the point where you are at, saying "hang on, I'm smart enough to know that something's not quite adding up here, and I'm going to say something about it". That's what it takes to be a Christian (Matthew 10:38).

as for his teachings being script it basically is there are some theroies that when jesus left it had an impact but then years and years later we forgot and got back into it with the book. i think if the church makes u corrupted then dont "follow the leader" u make ur own church whether it be in your room in the corner, your garden in your backyard, or your study place u can make it into a place of teachings if your going to be devoted stay devoted and develop what you know and believe. u surrounding yourself in a place only spreads the "illness" if u stay in a place where the spanish fever is you become a victim and it spreads...same thing we are witnessing now. i know too many people whos opinions are based off of the churches, they were born with that church, raised with that church, and grew with that church so why now make ourselves our own sanctuary where we can learn with our scripture and our god. if you can not find sanctuary then build it

I just enjoy speaking with anyone, wherever their mind is at, if they are loving the truth. That's about as close as I have got to finding the perfect church (so far). Not every church is equal, but every church seems to be limited in the amount of distance it can go before it's false doctrines cause it to stumble and lose sanctification.

Daniel 12:4 shows that in the end, many will go to and fro and knowledge will increase.

 

[Serving Zion]

Jesus didn't publish books or share lecture notes. He didn't command his disciples to teach the Bible to the letter. He didn't give out Bibles and tell people to read it.

Instead, Jesus sent out people, who most likely did not make notes of His lectures either, and told them to teach the rest of us as He had taught His discplines. All they had was the few, three or so, short years following Jesus and their personal observance of how Jesus interacted with the world and how He treated people. That's the point of Christianity.

Indeed, the mission is to breathe life through the good news (Ephesians 4:10, 1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:21) just as He did (John 15:3, Mark 10:45).

 

[Sanoy]

We all believe it was written by Humans that had a relationship with God. How do we know it's legitimate? Well the Bible is legitimate if God exists, and the Bible correctly relates to Him. Like the Humans that wrote it we also have a relationship with God. We know it correctly relates to Him because we also have an experience of Him. So we have our own experience from our personal relationship with God, and an external description of God given in the Bible, and they match.

 

[dqhall]

what would yall think if the bible was wrote by humans? how do yall know its a legit source if yall dont know who the actual author is?

There is truth in the Bible and there are errors. It is up to the reader to seek the good and reject the bad. Jesus taught God is truth. If I seek the truth, I may not praise a lie.