If you think that evolution even suggests this, then you are grossly misinformed about how evolution works.
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If for evolution, Adam would be mating with Chimps since there was no female Human at the time before Eve.
Come now, let us reason...
With allegorists, you have to explain that when the newspaper says:
... the publishers aren't pushing geocentrism.
- sunrise @ 6:53 a.m.
- sunset @ 7:49 p.m.
Thank you.I replied in THIS post to say that if we consider that God used evolution by means of natural selection as a tool to get the job done, there is still no contradiction. Just as we say that a man cuts a piece of wood when he really used a saw to cut it, we can say that God created all the plants when he was using evolution as a tool to create them.
Okay if I say something here?
Sure.
If you think that evolution even suggests this, then you are grossly misinformed about how evolution works.
No, I don't:The trouble is that when the Bible does it, you insist that it is completely literal.
If a literal rendering teaches geocentrism, then what would a mature reader do?
Depending on how you answer the above, tells me your level of maturity.
- Interpret it literally and assume it was a mistake?
- Interpret it figuratively, using what is called the "language of the observer," and assume it was not a mistake?
Even I, an ultraliteralist, wouldn't make that mistake.
Jungle Jane, of course -- the next best thing.What would Adam have mated with had not God made Eve of Adams rib?
Jungle Jane, of course -- the next best thing.
One copy-error away from being fully human.
Adam and Jane made Eve -- Adam's daughter and wife.
(Sickening, isn't it?)
Thank you.
I like this analogy of a man saying he is cutting wood, but doesn't say what he is using to cut the wood.
It is assumed, of course, that he used a saw, as would analyzing the cut ends should attest to this fact.
HOWEVER:
God says plainly that He spoke, and the universe came into existence.
The man cutting wood said he was going to cut wood, but he didn't say with what.
God didn't do it that way, though.
God didn't say He was going to make the universe; He spoke and the universe came into existence as an act of obedience to His command.
Put another way: your example, Tiberius, has a man making a declarative statement; whereas Genesis 1 has God making a series of imperative statements, called divine fiats.
IN ADDITION:
The order of events, coupled with the statement in Exodus ...
Exodus 20:11a For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
... clearly rule out evolution.
What would Adam have mated with had not God made Eve of Adams rib?
Keep in mind Adam lived less than 1000 years.
BTW, evolution does not work.
No, I don't:
No -- that part was done ex materia, not ex nihilo.Can you show me the passage where it says that God spoke the plants into existence.
Do not think that evolution states that an individual of one species will give birth to an individual of a different species. The change from one species to the next is very slow (from our point of view) and takes place over many generations.
For example, if a modern Human went back in time five thousand years, they would find species that they would say are identical to them.
If one of these 5 thousand year old people went back another 5000 years, then they would likewise claim that the people of 10,000 years ago were the same species as the people of 5000 years ago.
And if a person of 10,000 years ago went back to 15,000 years ago, they would also claim that their two species were the same.
You could keep going back like this for millions of years, and each individual would claim that they are the same species as the species that lived 5000 years before them. One continuous sequence. This is becayuse the changes made by evolution operate on much greater time scales than 5000 years. And if you go back a million years, you would say that the species are very different, even though you do not see any appreciable change when you look at it in 5000 year intervals.
So evolution tells us that there was no "first" human, it's just that the species we evolved from became more and more human like until they actually were humans.
Speaking of minutiae:
No -- that part was done ex materia, not ex nihilo.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Incidentally, how much time expired from the divine fiat in Genesis 1:11, to the completion of the command -- in your opinion?
Ya -- His voice.Is it possible that God used a tool to get the job done?
So? that means you have no opinion? or you don't want to opine?In my opinion, the whole thing is myth anyway.
Yes, I do -- is that supposed to mean you can't answer my question with an opinion?You do see the little atheist symbol up next to my name, doncha?
Ya -- His voice.
Remember the story of the Valley of Dry Bones, you probably were told in Sunday school?
So? that means you have no opinion? or you don't want to opine?
What's your opinion of the boy who cried wolf?
Yes, I do -- is that supposed to mean you can't answer my question with an opinion?
Of course, I can understand too; beings as I get called out for expressing mine.
I certainly wouldn't want you to look bad.
faith gardian and Mr. Dave
Do either of you believe the book of Jonah, and believe it to be a literal account?
Do you believe the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights?
That Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly?
That the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land and Jonah lived after this?
I know this has nothing to do with evolution but Im just curious in your interpretation. 3 honest questions await 3 honest answers, thanks.
no offense to anyone but evolution is crap
GENESIS 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
When I get to Heaven, if my fault is taking God at his Word, then I think Im OK. Amen?
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