Bible-Creation-Evolution

Gracchus · Feb 26, 2011

The first of those "science quotes" was:

The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects.
- Albert Einstein

And we might add that the fundamentalist, boggled at this library, thereafter confines himself to a single book, written in languages unknown to him, by primitive men of an unknown culture, and burns down the library after murdering the librarian.

AV1611VET · Feb 26, 2011

Gracchus said:
And we might add that the fundamentalist, boggled at this library, thereafter confines himself to a single book, written in languages unknown to him, by primitive men of an unknown culture, and burns down the library after murdering the librarian.

These fundamentalists -- do they include all fundamentalists? or just the Jews and Christians?

MorkandMindy · Feb 27, 2011

Well a few decades ago it would have been Christians. Christian Fundamentalism derives from the meetings held in the last quarter of the 1800s called the 'Viagra Bible Conference'.

But the US supported Islamic Fundamentalism to resist Soviet forces in Central Asia and other areas so now there is a second major form of Fundamentalism and in a strange twist of fate they may now become as inconvenient as the Soviets were back then.

There are Fundamentalists of every variety, but the big ones are the Christian and Islamic Fundamentalists he probably means one of those.

Naraoia · Feb 27, 2011

MorkandMindy said:
'Viagra Bible Conference'.

You've got to be kidding.

Redac · Feb 27, 2011

Naraoia said:
You've got to be kidding.

Niagara Bible Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think that's it, anyway.

AV1611VET · Feb 27, 2011

Redac said:
Niagara Bible Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think that's it, anyway.

Adoniram Judson, C.I. Scofield, and Hudson Taylor -- don't it give ya goosebumps!

Supernaut · Feb 27, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Adoniram Judson, C.I. Scofield, and Hudson Taylor -- don't it give ya goosebumps!

Yeah...like being in a Taco Bell drive through.

Supernaut · Feb 27, 2011

Gracchus said:
And we might add that the fundamentalist, boggled at this library, thereafter confines himself to a single book, written in languages unknown to him, by primitive men of an unknown culture, and burns down the library after murdering the librarian.

This might be used as a sig line in the near future.

Naraoia · Feb 27, 2011

Redac said:
Niagara Bible Conference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think that's it, anyway.

Ah, that sounds better!

1611AV · Feb 27, 2011

Tiberius said:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
The Bible says...

Originally Posted by Genesis 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
It also says:

Originally Posted by Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And

Originally Posted by Genesis 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
God didn't create the plants, or the animals of the sea, or the animals of the land. He told the sea and the land to bring them forth, which fits in with evolutionary theory.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have CREATED from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God CREATED man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God did indeed create them and not only them but all things.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Assyrian · Feb 27, 2011

1611AV said:
Tiberius said:

Originally Posted by Tiberius
The Bible says...

Originally Posted by Genesis 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
It also says:

Originally Posted by Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And

Originally Posted by Genesis 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
God didn't create the plants, or the animals of the sea, or the animals of the land. He told the sea and the land to bring them forth, which fits in with evolutionary theory.

Click to expand...

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have CREATED from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God CREATED man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God did indeed create them and not only them but all things.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

That just tells us there is no conflict between God using natural processes and being Creator.

1611AV · Feb 27, 2011

Assyrian said:
That just tells us there is no conflict between God using natural processes and being Creator.

Yeah and this corrects all the kiddies.

Genesis 2:1-7
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So much for natural processes.

Research1 · Feb 27, 2011

Wiccan_Child said:
One of these facts is simply that virtually the entire scientific community accepts the theory of common descent.

This is false. You are confusing scientists with peer-reviewed science papers. 0.01% of these papers are creationist, but there are thousands of scientists who believe in creation or don't believe in evolution.

When you publish a paper though which promotes creationism, you loose your job so most scientists don't do this.

Belk · Feb 27, 2011

Research1 said:
This is false. You are confusing scientists with peer-reviewed science papers. 0.01% of these papers are creationist, but there are thousands of scientists who believe in creation or don't believe in evolution.

When you publish a paper though which promotes creationism, you loose your job so most scientists don't do this.

Ah, so it is a giant conspiracy.

1611AV · Feb 27, 2011

Belk said:
Ah, so it is a giant conspiracy.

Science does not accept Jesus as creator of all things without the use of evolution.

Ive never read a science book in all my years of schooling that ever mentioned the name of Jesus. So yeah, It may just be a giant conspiracy.

Belk · Feb 27, 2011

1611AV said:
Science does not accept Jesus as creator of all things without the use of evolution.

Ive never read a science book in all my years of schooling that ever mentioned the name of Jesus. So yeah, It may just be a giant conspiracy.

Dp

Belk · Feb 27, 2011

1611AV said:
Science does not accept Jesus as creator of all things without the use of evolution.

Ive never read a science book in all my years of schooling that ever mentioned the name of Jesus. So yeah, It may just be a giant conspiracy.

Science is not a living thing therefore it cannot accept or deny anything. Why would a scientific theory mention Jesus exactly? Jesus is completely superfluous to science and a giant red herring of an argument.

Tiberius · Feb 28, 2011

1611AV said:
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have CREATED from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Genesis 5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God CREATED man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Sorry to burst your bubble, but God did indeed create them and not only them but all things.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Ah, but if a man uses a saw to cut a piece of wood, don't we say that the man cut the wood? We don't say, "The man caused to saw to cut the wood."

it is perfectly reasonable to say, "X did such-a-thing" even if we mean, "X used a tool to produce a particular outcome."

Doesn't matter if X is a man and the tool is a saw and the outcome is a cut piece of wood, or if X is God, the tool is evolution by natural selection and the outcome is life.

So, biblically, when it says that the Earth brought forth the grasses and the tree and all the other plants, I choose to take that as meaning that God set into motion the process of biological evolution and he used that as a tool (if I had to take the Bible as an accurate account, that is).

And I don't see how you can say otherwise. After all, the King James Bible is perfectly capable of stating when God is making something himself, as it does in Genesis 1:16 when it says that God himself made the two lights.

Now, shouldn't you read that and ask why it describes the creation of living things one way, and the creation of non-living things another way? There must be a reason, yes? Maybe because the Bible is trying to tell you that God created the non-living things directly, and yet created the living things using a process.

I think this satisfies amply your request for a Biblical justification for evolution.

Assyrian · Feb 28, 2011

1611AV said:
Yeah and this corrects all the kiddies.

Genesis 2:1-7
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

So much for natural processes.

So much for plants being created three days before man too. The same chapter describes God forming Adam's body out of clay like a potter, it even uses the same word as potter yatsar. The thing is, the bible also says God is the potter who formed you and me. Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand. But there is no contradiction between that and the natural processes involved in our conception and birth.

1611AV · Feb 28, 2011

Assyrian said:
So much for plants being created three days before man too. The same chapter describes God forming Adam's body out of clay like a potter, it even uses the same word as potter yatsar. The thing is, the bible also says God is the potter who formed you and me. Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand. But there is no contradiction between that and the natural processes involved in our conception and birth.

Actually, so much for the earth being responsible for the evolution of plants since God had already created them before he placed them in the Earth.

He only commanded the Earth to bring forth the plants he already created. Kinda like when we plant a seed, the Earth doesn't create the seed, it brings the plant or seed forth.

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.

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