Bible, 100%?

[reverend B]

it's ok to like it. it is beautiful. i am simply telling you to do more research. i hope you can admit that at 15 there are still some things to learn. i know at 46 there is, and i study every day to find what i don't know. peace, blazin.

yours in Christ

 

[Tenorvoice]

AMEN Brother!!!!!



The day that you stop learning is the day that you stop living!

all translations have thier differences but we can rest assured that most not all translations are 99.9999999999999999999.......% accurate with the original text. THey are all going to differ in places because of the language that was used @ that time.

peace

 

[Palatka44]

blazin,
all the errors seen in one version are in another. did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew at the Sea of Galilee, as reported in Matthew, or at the River Jordan, as told by John? John says Jesus carried his own cross but Matthew says he did not. there are many such things in the bible that are incidental to my faith and belief in the ministry of Jesus Christ. we should not find ourselves wanting in truth to deny such things and look foolish to those who may be trying to come to God through us. the kjv supports these and a hundred other contradictions. but the message of Jesus Christ is inerrant. Christ is inerrant. it's ok to like something the best, but don't make your favorite a prohibition to others. if you have seen no errors and you are not even aware of it's beautiful poetry, i have to assume you have not read it with a great deal of attention.
the truth will set you free.

yours in Christ

Maybe they met at the mouth of the Jordan River as the Sea of Galilee empties into it. It would stand to reason that is where the best fishing would be. John Saw it as being on the river and Matthew saw it as being on the Lake. Personaly I see no contradiction. And just as Blazin has confessed I find no contradictions either.

 

[reverend B]

then don't look for them. as i said, the contradictions have nothing to do with the core of the message of Christ. love on, people.
yours in Christ

 

[Tenorvoice]

then don't look for them. as i said, the contradictions have nothing to do with the core of the message of Christ. love on, people.
yours in Christ

exactly...they do not differ where it matters most. only on trivial things that are so small that it does not even matter.

 

[BarbB]

It depends what you mean by 100% true, if you mean literally true, then very few folk believe that, there are too many contradictions in it for that to be the case. I don't think it was ever meant as a historical document. When the Bible was put together we can never be sure that what was put in, and what was kept out was correct. but maybe some of the stuff that was excluded was just as valid as that included!

Most born-again Christians believe that the Bible is God-breathed and 99.99% accurate and to be read literally.

AND this is not a forum for debate.

 

[Baptistgal]

yes keep learning. BUt with all your learning get wisdom....thats a brutal paraphrase of certain passages in Proverbs...but the meaning is still there. lol

Don't think that just because someone wrote it down and got it published that it has to be 100% true. Sometimes you're lucky to get 50% true when it comes to man's writings. That documentary you saw advertised is most likely being produced by people who:
a) don't believe in the Bible.
b) don't want YOU to believe in the Bible either.

You have to listen to what they say with a grain of salt, realizing the bias it is coming from. By the way, everyone has a bias, you have to discern.

For instance, one topic you mentioned that caught my attention was the one about Cain and who he married. First of all, the premise that the Bible says Adam and Eve only had sons is false. The Bible clearly says that Adam and Eve had sons AND daughters. Gracious! They lived for quite a few hundred years, all of their children being the offspring of original, untainted, un"mutated" DNA. So right there, you have a problem with the premise of the documentary you were looking at. See how one false notion can lead to all sorts of heresy?

These books were not left out of the actual Bible because of some conspiracy to keep the truth from you. In fact all of those books you spoke of are readily available in libraries all over our country. However, if you read them, (I've read some of them) you will see that they are not of the same caliber as our Biblical books. There are several different criteria which were used to determine if they were inspired or not, which I believe someone else already went into.

But really, just remember the bias that many people bring to these documentaries, and realize that not everything on TV is true.

 

[reverend B]

then we will simply agree, as two born agains, to disagree. no debate lamb. peace.

 

[Serapha]

blazin,
all the errors seen in one version are in another. did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew at the Sea of Galilee, as reported in Matthew, or at the River Jordan, as told by John?

If you read the text, you will learn that Jesus first knew Andrew as being a disciple of John the Baptist, and then in verse 1:43, it says that the next day, Jesus went into Galilee. Picking up the chronology in Matthew 4:18... it doesn't state...

"This is the first time that Jesus saw Peter and Andrew"

The text states,

"And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brethen, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea, for they were fihers....

There is no contradiction.

John says Jesus carried his own cross but Matthew says he did not. there are many such things in the bible that are incidental to my faith and belief in the ministry of Jesus Christ. we should not find ourselves wanting in truth to deny such things and look foolish to those who may be trying to come to God through us. the kjv supports these and a hundred other contradictions. but the message of Jesus Christ is inerrant. Christ is inerrant. it's ok to like something the best, but don't make your favorite a prohibition to others. if you have seen no errors and you are not even aware of it's beautiful poetry, i have to assume you have not read it with a great deal of attention.
the truth will set you free.

yours in Christ

Hi there!




the truth will set you free..... If you choose to read the Bible and "put" the contradictions into the text, you certainly will have no problems doing so and you will have a lot of support.


I agree with the statement that there are no contradictions... and an open forum for people inquiring about Christianity is the wrong place for you to plant more "doubts" in the mind of seekers.


I hope you reconsider before you post here again as to the purpose of this forum is to reach people with the gospel of Jesus Christ... not post "evidences" that the Word of God isn't total truth.


~serapha~

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!



I want to make a statement concerning different translations of The Holy Bible.


Each time that a "reliable" text is being produced, there is a selection of Hebrew and Greek scholars who become the translation committee. The first thing that the committee will do is establish the goal (philosophy) of the translation committee. They establish a reading level which determines the word usage, they establish the audience they are attempting to reach, they establish the approach in translation, and about 7 or 8 other baseline criteria.

For example, the KJV is written at a twelth-grade level, the NIV is seventh-grade, "The Message"... fourth grade. When the reading level is lowered, then there are times that the word usage in Hebrew or Greek cannot be "rendered" successfully in a level that is suitable for the translation. At these times, words that are suitable for that reading level are substituted. Does that make it a bad translation? No... it meets the criteria established by the committee before the work is begun, and it provides a consistent application of the philosophy of the committee.


Therefore, if you know the philosophy of the committee, you will find that none of the translations are "bad"... but simply reaching different audiences with different approaches or philosophies. Now... if a translation is being written to align with a denominational teaching or simply written by one man then, in reality it is not a "translation"... but an interpretation of that particular denomination or that particular person. (NWT, for example, being written for use by the Jehovah's Witnesses... or "The Message" written by Peterson, which is his personal interpretation)


I would encourage everyone to take a moment and review this link...


http://www.zondervanbibles.com/translations.htm

It gives some background information on several translations, including the number of people on the translations committees and it provides the philosophy of the committee.


Myself, I remain... King James preferred.



~serapha~

 

[reverend B]

serapha,
my goal is not to tear down the gospel. i preach the -*good news daily. i just don't fear the humanity involved in the creation of the text. it doesn't threaten my faith at all. Christ lives. i just worship him. there are over a hundred such contrasts in scripture which only underlines man's involvement in the text, not the lack of God's. we have kept more people from embracing the faith by insisting that blue is red. we don't need to. i believe that i am answering the question that is being posed by the OP. i don't agree with your "no contradictions" stance. that doesn't mean i don't believe it is the greatest teaching tool around about our faith. i do agree that discernment is necessary. when we deny the obvious our credibility is nil to the seeker. the seeker is my focus, not the inerrant believer. i don't look to stand in your way, but i will not turn the rationalists away at the door. they need to see that their intellect and our faith can co-exist. i am not going to go through the list of over a hundred challenges the scriptures hold. it doesn't matter. that's my point. they are there, but the message of Christ is far more obvious in the text than all the rest. my faith is in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, not translations. they are a tool to direct me to and teach me in the ways of God. They do a fine job of it.
your discussion of translations in your last post is excellent, and i appreciate your "preferred" appellation. much more to the point than "the one and only" monicker so often ascribed to the kjv. i have my preferences also, but in a forum like this one i don't share them, simply because i want a seeker to pick up ANY translation than none at all, and then we will discuss fine points when some christian maturity has been added to their walk.
i see no contradiction, though, between being a devout christian and acknowledging man's influence on the scriptures. not all of us who feel this way are infidels and attackers of the faith. on the contrary, i am trying to lead people to it. we disagree as to what will accomplish this. that's all. if we both reach a different group of people and lead them to the truth of the Lord, that will be the best result. neither your stance regarding the bible nor mine will grant a single soul salvation. that will come through their belief in Christ. i have had some amazing results and i believe it is the Holy Spirit that directs me in what i say and preach. i am absolutely sure you are reaching people for Christ as well. we both believe with passion. in the end, our faith will be what matters. in heaven the bible will be irrelevant, for we will no longer need interpretation of what we stand before, live within and praise. we will need no parables, no poetry, no prophecy and no Pharisees to explain it all to us, as the first century Jews required. we will simply know Him. until then, we must both fulfill the Great Commission as we feel we can best accomplish it. we both have chosen scripture as a tool for that ministry. the rest is worldly argument.

yours in Christ

 

[Serapha]

that is a lot crud, just cuz I like the KJV doesn't mean you got ot get on me, the other versions are so full of contradictions, you ownder why the history channel is against you?

Take note... he is right... it isn't a debate forum. Picking on other Christians isn't the answer to "Questions in Christianity".



~serapha~

 

[Svt4Him]

If you read the text, you will learn that Jesus first knew Andrew as being a disciple of John the Baptist, and then in verse 1:43, it says that the next day, Jesus went into Galilee. Picking up the chronology in Matthew 4:18... it doesn't state...

"This is the first time that Jesus saw Peter and Andrew"

The text states,

"And Jesus, walking by the Sea of Galilee, saw two brethen, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea, for they were fihers....

There is no contradiction.

Quit posting facts, they just confuse people. When reading the Bible, anything that appears a contradiction is, whether it really is or not is irrelevant.

 

[reverend B]

i apologize if i have offended anyone or broken any rules. i should have addressed all my comments directly to the original poster. the content, however, would remain unchanged. it is up to each of us to do the studying ourselves and not be dependent on anyone in this or any other forum to do the work for you. read the bible. read others opinions. then pray for God to guide you to an appropriate understanding of the scriptures. good people will come to different conclusions. you must come to your own. our faith is about a relationship with the living God. you must develop that relationship and he will help you understand the Bible. people are people. we give advice based on what we know. unless you are confident in the credentials of the unknown cyber-experts (myself included) you are best to discover truth the old fashioned way. study to be approved.

 

[BarbB]

reverend B - I agree with your post that we are to read, discern, etc. The point is that this is not a debating forum, but to answer basic questions about Christianity. When points are debated the answers get lost. Several posters here consistantly post good stuff for new Christians, or even more mature ones, for that matter. Serapha and Raphe come to mind here and I love reading and learning from their posts. I suggest that the rest of us might stay away and debate in the other forums!

 

[LilAngelHeart]

Hmmm... I would be interested in reading those just from a curious stand point and maybe read them not as the proven unadulterated word of God, but like one would read a history or refernce book. But I want to read those books! God has been telling me some things I haven't gotten from any other books or any other sources, I've only read the regular Bible books. Especially that stuff about the Garden of Eden. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]! I need those books! LOL!

 

[LilAngelHeart]

Will they be showing that show on the history channel again? I hope so I missed it, I don't see how I missed that too. It seems very interesting. Maybe I will write them to see if they will show it again. I hope and pray they will.

 

[AlabamaMan]

I think for the most part besides alllll the debating that went on here the OP has been answered and since the debating continues I am closing the thread now.