- Nov 22, 2010
- 1,680
- 33
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
excuse me before I address you, speaking evil of the 400 year old Authorized english Bible. are you the same person that just posted :
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
All translations are imperfect by the mere fact of the matter that they are translations. But just to give an example or two ...
1 Cor 11:29 in the KJV reads For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lords body.
Clearly the word krima should be translated "judgment" as it is elsewhere (even in the KJV) translated.
Romans 7:6 in the KJV reads But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
All Greek texts show the word apothnesko (to die) modifying "we", not "the Law." The law is not dead, but rather we are dead to the Law.
To be fair, all translations have errors to one extent or another. None of them accurately translate John 15:2, which quotes Jesus thusly: "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away ; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit."
They all say "takes away" even though the Greek word is airo, which means "to elevate, lift up, raise, take up from the ground." This is consistent with His example of the vinedresser. The vinedresser is responsible for keeping the branches of the vine healthy, clean, and fruit bearing. It is easy to see why Jesus used the analogy, but it is a shame none of our modern translations seem to click on what He actually said.
None of this in any way takes from the veracity of the Bible. By comparing the thousands of Greek manuscripts we can be assured that the integrity of the original Greek autographs is preserved in the mainstream versions we have today, and it appears to me that the major paraphrases are consistent as well. Having the different versions provides an excellent foundation for the believer to live in Christlikeness and be a good witness for Christ.
Originally Posted by WinBySurrender
God bless
I you choose to see my efforts at being equitable as being divisive, Iu attack me, I can't help that. And again, you attack me instead of discussing the accuracy and efficacy of my post. When you can discuss only the merits of my statements without impugning me, my denomination or my education, perhaps I will continue the discussion.excuse me before I address you, speaking evil of the 400 year old Authorized english Bible. are you the same person that just posted :
I you choose to see my efforts at being equitable as being divisive, Iu attack me, I can't help that. And again, you attack me instead of discussing the accuracy and efficacy of my post. When you can discuss only the merits of my statements without impugning me, my denomination or my education, perhaps I will continue the discussion.
Of all the possible divisive, polarizing discussions that can take place, the "KJV Only" or "Not KJV Only" argument is the worst.
so you post a thread and say we should agree to disagree then proceed with a future thread to speak evil of the 400 year old english Bible. not only do you do this but you offend me and the Epiphoskei, by saying:
and now I am the bad guy because I question a Hypocrite about their post instead of addressing his lies against the Holy Word of God? Go figure!!
View attachment 125866 <-- click to enlargeso you post a thread and say we should agree to disagree then proceed with a future thread to speak evil of the 400 year old english Bible. not only do you do this but you offend me and the Epiphoskei, by saying:
and now I am the bad guy because I question a Hypocrite about their post instead of addressing his lies against the Holy Word of God? Go figure!!
ok before I address your mistakes concerning your understanding of some scriptures you have taken from the KJB, the Authorized English Bible, let me say this. I am simply amazed that people who claim to know the English language more than the Translators of the KJB. always limits words to one defintion. this whole post started because Epiphoskie said that the greek word "ean" could only mean "If" so when The KJB translators used "when" He shall appear, instead of "IF" He shall appear In 1 JOhn 3:2 they commited a grave error in their translations. however upon looking to my strong concordances "ean' can mean "when" or "IF'. another fellow said the The KJB people had made a grave mistakes when that said that a turtle was a bird, however upon my turning to the 1828 Webster Dictionary, we find that a turtle can be a bird!!! NOw you as well have limited the words you pointed out as mistakes to one definition, shame on you, REALLY!! I will show to whom it may concern how you have Lied:All translations are imperfect by the mere fact of the matter that they are translations. But just to give an example or two ...
1 Cor 11:29 in the KJV reads For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Clearly the word krima should be translated "judgment" as it is elsewhere (even in the KJV) translated.
Romans 7:6 in the KJV reads But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
All Greek texts show the word apothnesko (to die) modifying "we", not "the Law." The law is not dead, but rather we are dead to the Law.
To be fair, all translations have errors to one extent or another. None of them accurately translate John 15:2, which quotes Jesus thusly: "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away ; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit."
They all say "takes away" even though the Greek word is airo, which means "to elevate, lift up, raise, take up from the ground." This is consistent with His example of the vinedresser. The vinedresser is responsible for keeping the branches of the vine healthy, clean, and fruit bearing. It is easy to see why Jesus used the analogy, but it is a shame none of our modern translations seem to click on what He actually said.
None of this in any way takes from the veracity of the Bible. By comparing the thousands of Greek manuscripts we can be assured that the integrity of the original Greek autographs is preserved in the mainstream versions we have today, and it appears to me that the major paraphrases are consistent as well. Having the different versions provides an excellent foundation for the believer to live in Christlikeness and be a good witness for Christ.
1 Cor 11:29 in the KJV reads For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
Clearly the word krima should be translated "judgment" as it is elsewhere (even in the KJV) translated.
Romans 7:6 in the KJV reads But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
All Greek texts show the word apothnesko (to die) modifying "we", not "the Law." The law is not dead, but rather we are dead to the Law
To be fair, all translations have errors to one extent or another. None of them accurately translate John 15:2, which quotes Jesus thusly: "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away ; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit."
They all say "takes away" even though the Greek word is airo, which means "to elevate, lift up, raise, take up from the ground." This is consistent with His example of the vinedresser. The vinedresser is responsible for keeping the branches of the vine healthy, clean, and fruit bearing. It is easy to see why Jesus used the analogy, but it is a shame none of our modern translations seem to click on what He actually said.
Don't complain to me, complain to Strong's. Or perhaps you don't take it as authoritative on matters of the Koine Greek. Doh!I am simply amazed that people who claim to know the English language more than the Translators of the KJB. always limits words to one defintion.
He's right. The Greek word for "when" is epan (translliterated)this whole post started because Epiphoskie said that the greek word "ean" could only mean "If" ...
You have a different Strong's than I do. Mine doesn't say that.when The KJB translators used "when" He shall appear, instead of "IF" He shall appear In 1 JOhn 3:2 they commited a grave error in their translations. however upon looking to my strong concordances "ean' can mean "when" or "IF'.
1., you need to provide proof of that one, and 2., if it does indeed say that, the simple explanation is Noah Webster, being a devote Reformer, couldn't bear to list a definition in conflict with the Bibleanother fellow said the The KJB people had made a grave mistakes when that said that a turtle was a bird, however upon my turning to the 1828 Webster Dictionary, we find that a turtle can be a bird!!!
I'm not going to post the rest of your "proof" because all I need to say is 1., Strong's does not use "damnation" in the definition of krima and, 2., you are defending a verse that condemns believers -- which as you should well know is impossible and in conflict with the nature of God. Is the text really so important to you that you would pervert the character of God?NOw you as well have limited the words you pointed out as mistakes to one definition, shame on you, REALLY!! I will show to whom it may concern how you have Lied:
NT:2917
<START GREEK>kri/ma
<END GREEK> krima (kree'-mah); from NT:2919; a decision (the function or the effect, for or against ["crime"]):
Don't complain to me, complain to Strong's. Or perhaps you don't take it as authoritative on matters of the Koine Greek. Doh!Of course you don't! What was I thinking? He's right. The Greek word for "when" is epan (translliterated)You have a different Strong's than I do. Mine doesn't say that.1., you need to provide proof of that one, and 2., if it does indeed say that, the simple explanation is Noah Webster, being a devote Reformer, couldn't bear to list a definition in conflict with the BibleI'm not going to post the rest of your "proof" because all I need to say is 1., Strong's does not use "damnation" in the definition of krima and, 2., you are defending a verse that condemns believers -- which as you should well know is impossible and in conflict with the nature of God. Is the text really so important to you that you would pervert the character of God?
I've had enough. This is nonsense and my responses are in conflict with my desire to bring harmony and peace among believers here. Everyone please forgive me for perpetuating a stupid, divisive and totally waste-of-effort discussion. Abide in your "belief" if you must. God bless.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?