Beyond worship

[flightangel777]

Its great that people love to worship God but theres nothing greater then the whole church speaking in tounges and doing healing and deliverance i don't know about you but am ready for something to happen thats greater then that. And i have experiaced the greatness of God its hard to come back but i beileve God's doing a new thing on the earth and we will experiace his greatness and so much more praise the Lord!!!!!! may we all me in unity for this great move of God!!!

 

[SillySeth]

well... you see, I think that is great. although, the church most be very careful in this area because there are some major issues about it that can lead nonbelievers away. Check out 1 Corinthians 13 and 14. I do think it is amazing, but I am always very shy around it because of the dramatic negative effect it can have on unbelievers.

 

[flightangel777]

Well you been tought wrong becuase you shouldnt be afarid of it its a part of God and actually non beilevers are drawn to it becuase its something they never experieced before. Beileve me i have witnessed it so i suggest you really look into Acts chapter two and see what it says and then you tell me. What it means maybe you should read the whole book to get a full understand and who God is God Bless hope this helps

 

[bithiah2]

i believe the next thing would be to go outside the four walls of the church and take the church to the people who won't come in otherwise.
we can be indoors and worship all we want to, but if it is not helping anyone who is not inside, then it's not enough. all of that worship should empower us to take it to somebody else who needs it.
blessings
bithiah2

 

[flightangel777]

i agree with you they need to start bringing people in and accepting who they are no matter what.

 

[christiangal522]

i agree with you they need to start bringing people in and accepting who they are no matter what.

We need to go out, not bring in. The church is everywhere, not just in the four walls. It's EVERYWHERE. It NEEDS to be everywhere.

 

[flightangel777]

Amen sister your so right on about that! they do need to get off there buts and go out and tell people about Jesus

 

[H2Row]

Well you been tought wrong becuase you shouldnt be afarid of it its a part of God and actually non beilevers are drawn to it becuase its something they never experieced before. Beileve me i have witnessed it so i suggest you really look into Acts chapter two and see what it says and then you tell me. What it means maybe you should read the whole book to get a full understand and who God is God Bless hope this helps

I personally know people who have been scared away from God because of people talking in tongues etc.

 

[7Daniel]

Hmm, what you do inside God's House can have a huge affect on the people there, and around there, but that's not where the Church stops. We are the Church of God, we are the temples, and we aren't confined to one specific place, if you will.

Mmmm, I'd agree and suggest that take the worship out to the streets, like bithiah2 was saying.

As for speaking in tonuges, I do not think that person was 'taught wrong', as yes it is from God, but at the same time for unbelievers it can be really really awkward. Yes, I am a Christian and even for myself I at times can feel uneven if you will, as I am not used to that in a great amount, but yes 1 Corinthians does address this issue.

 

[7Daniel]

Another thing.... When talking to some people I know, they say it's really 'awkward' to walk into a place with hands raised, eyes closed, worshipping with music band etc.. We as believers, as disciples might be used to this, but if you look at our American culture, it's not common to see in public if you will. Does that makes sense?

 

[fallengeneration]

Well let's look at what the bible says about speaking in tongues!

I believe and have witnessed true speaking in tounges, but Paul is VERY clear on how we are suppose to go about it! A whole church speaking in tongues isn't biblical.

1 Corinthians 14

Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

and then verses 26-33

26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. 29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.



My question is this, if we can all speak in tongues, why would Paul wish that we all could?

Also, Paul makes it clear that no one should speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter. How many times in the church does this happen?

Someone speaking in tongues without an interpreter edifies themselfs, but someone who speaks in tongues with an interpreter edifies the church, much like prophesy.


That is where I have the problems with "prayer languages". And everyone speaking in tongues. Paul says there MUST be an interpreter, and when I read that, I say

"Hey, that must mean there must be an interpreter"



Please read the scripture before you respond. Look it up for yourself. I'm not arguing my point, but rather scripture itself.

 

[christiangal522]

Someone speaking in tongues without an interpreter edifies themselfs, but someone who speaks in tongues with an interpreter edifies the church, much like prophesy.

I agree with you on this. Many people believe that this supports speaking in tongues for prayer language by YOURSELF. But, I'm having a hard time understanding this. When I read the Scriptures, I see words for a GROUP of people. A BODY of followers. Not individuals. (Unless otherwise stated). I've always understood this scripture to mean that it is PREFERRED to speak tongues in the body to build the body (with an interpreter). Is the Christian faith about 'edifying ourselves'?? I guess when I look at the Disciples and the life of Christ, it's always about OTHERS. God drew them in to Him so that they would GO OUT. The Holy Spirit was given for the body - for me to be a part of the Body and to bring others in! Tongues are about the Body. Not me. What a Western view (me me me).

 

[modelfifteen]

is there anything beyond that? hard point to prove.

 

[flightangel777]

Well its not a issue becuase if your not going to accept the whole part of God and reject God's spirit then you need to really check yourself becuase having a from of godlyness but denying the power there of is really a weak christian. Its time for some of you to get off the milk and start eatting the meat becuase your still baby chirstains and you need to really grow up in your walk with God as for non beilevers i can care less what they think of me and how i worship God. Am not there to please people but to please the king of kings and lord of lords wake up people and start growing in your walk with God its time to stop denying tounges and the profitic word. And start joining in the Glory God wants you to experinace God Bless.

 

[flightangel777]

i disagree fallengeration your trying to turn it in to your own view by using the bible thats what amaze's me about some of these so called christians. That isn't true read Act chapter 2 were they all were in one accord speaking in tounges so there it is don't try to control the spirit of God and try to say what it can do or not stop trying to control God's spirit for your convenace your leading people in false teaching. So stop twisting the bible into your own view its really degrading the word of God!

 

[christiangal522]

i disagree fallengeration your trying to turn it in to your own view by using the bible thats what amaze's me about some of these so called christians. That isn't true read Act chapter 2 were they all were in one accord speaking in tounges so there it is don't try to control the spirit of God and try to say what it can do or not stop trying to control God's spirit for your convenace your leading people in false teaching. So stop twisting the bible into your own view its really degrading the word of God!

In Acts 2 they were speaking in tongues to witness to others (read verses 5-12). Their gift of tongues was for a greater purpose--for the Great Commission (to bring other's into the body). I attended seminary and very thoroughly examined a lot of sources about tongues because I have been curious about the "self-edifying" aspect of it. I do NOT doubt the power of tongues. Just when I examined the topic, I found that it was always done to be a witness to God. Tongues is amazing. Truly it is. I don't disagree. God's Holy Spirit is powerful. Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit primarily to Spread the gospel and witness to Him. As Paul says, we should be more concerned with prophecy because if you look at the Bible as a whole, it is always always always about a body of people, not us. The Spiritual Gifts were even said to be for the Body as well as to be a testimony to Him. So you speak tongues in your private worship? Go for it. Just, as Paul says, be careful who hears you. (1Cor 14: If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand[e] say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.)

Also,
1 Corinthians 14 says:
Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand[g] or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand[h]comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

As believers, we are supposed to be MORE concerned with others, and less about ourselves ("Love the Lord your God and Love your neighbor")

 

[flightangel777]

Thats all good and all but seriously i don't like when people try yo explan the gifts cause thay can't its just air not the Holy Spirit this is why i don't like sharing cuase so many christiains are know it all's and think they know everything about God and the Bible. Don't try to explan it to me cause i can't hear you to me its all balh balh blah religion religion religion so don't even try to tell me when i should worship and speak in tounges this is why God can't move becuase theres way to many rules and regulations. In the church this Huge Revivel will not happen in the church so your little church can pray all they want cuase God can hear you for a while but he can't move unless you step aside. But then he knows your heart and knows your not willing to go all the way with him so keep your empty religion cuase i know a diffrent Jesus then you do and he dosen't answer to man!!! get over it.

 

[christiangal522]

Thats all good and all but seriously i don't like when people try yo explan the gifts cause thay can't its just air not the Holy Spirit this is why i don't like sharing cuase so many christiains are know it all's and think they know everything about God and the Bible. Don't try to explan it to me cause i can't hear you to me its all balh balh blah religion religion religion so don't even try to tell me when i should worship and speak in tounges this is why God can't move becuase theres way to many rules and regulations. In the church this Huge Revivel will not happen in the church so your little church can pray all they want cuase God can hear you for a while but he can't move unless you step aside. But then he knows your heart and knows your not willing to go all the way with him so keep your empty religion cuase i know a diffrent Jesus then you do and he dosen't answer to man!!! get over it.

Wow...very immature comments. I see God move all the time. Please don't judge me, I'm not judging you.

 

[flightangel777]

But your misinturpeting the Bible and am telling you how your acting am not judgeing am just making it clear that most christians do not have a open mind and thats why God can't move. So what ever i don't think its immature i think its the truth but of course most people on here want to judge so whats the point!

 

[christiangal522]

Too many people come to the Bible from a Western perspective. We need to approach from a historically eastern perspective. After all, that was the culture at the time the Scriptures were written.