Beware when you hear "Trust the Science!"

[fide]

Scientists would tell you that would be impossible. Science can't do that at all. If your faith isn't enough, science can't help you out.


There will always be a Chicken Little. But God remains Lord.


So it was said at the dawn of the industrial revolution. And yet, wars kill fewer now than then, fewer infants die before adulthood, slavery is almost extinguished, and so on.

I see in another place that you are an "orthodox Catholic". I got the impression that you saw a rosy future in the sort-term, from your optimism concerning the "progress" of science. The Catechism cautions us soberly (as Jesus did) about what lies ahead for the faithful. Certainly long-term, the Kingdom is glorious! But there comes our cross, first:
(CCC 675-677)

The Church’s ultimate trial
675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.<Cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:12> The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth<Cf. Lk 21:12; Jn 15:19-20> will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.<Cf. 2 Th 2:4-12; I Th 5:2-3; 2 Jn 7; I Jn 2:18, 22>
676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgement. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,<Cf. DS 3839> especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.<Pius XI, Divini Redemptoris, condemning the “false mysticism” of this “counterfeit of the redemption of the lowly”; cf. GS 20-21>
677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.<Cf. Rev 19:1-9> The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.<Cf Rev 13:8; 20:7-10; 21:2-4> God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgement after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.<Cf. Rev 20:12 2 Pt 3:12-13>

 

[CoreyD]

That would be like saying every claim of clergymen is actually religion.

If every claim of a clergyman is centered around God, and spirituality, yes, it is religion.

I am often unscientific, myself. Sometimes, that's what things require.

I'm not unscientific. I never even knew the word existed, until now.

Why do things require one be unscientific? Can you give me an example.

 

[Ace777]

It's so fantastic, there are still no cures for LDS, cancer, and many others things.

Their objective is to make money so they do not want to cure people, just offer a treatment plan that puts money in their pocket. People like Bill Gates like to invest in this sort of thing. ( 2 Billion dollars) Meaning he invests in things that puts money in his pocket. He owns 10% of the stock of a major drug company. He owns stock through a holding company so he does not show up as an owner.

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[The Barbarian]

I see in another place that you are an "orthodox Catholic". I got the impression that you saw a rosy future in the sort-term, from your optimism concerning the "progress" of science.

How do you figure getting more knowledge and becoming more competent at getting along in the world make us better people?

It's true that hardship and pain makes people more aggressive and selfish. But other than that, material progress really doesn't make better people.

 

[The Barbarian]

CoreyD said:

I have no problem with science.
However, that is not to say every claim of scientists is actually science.

That would be like saying every claim of clergymen is actually religion.

If every claim of a clergyman is centered around God, and spirituality, yes, it is religion.

If every claim of a scientist is centered around science, yes it is science.

But clergy do not speak exclusively of religion and scientists do not speak exclusively of science.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I notice that science has been spectacularly successful in the past few decades in learning more about biology, physics, etc. And technology has progressed amazingly, using those discoveries.

If even a significant part of it was hooey, we wouldn't be seeing all of this progress.

Results count.


Not everyone thinks Mormons are an affliction. Annoying, sometimes, but most of the Mormons I know are pretty good people who seem to love God.

Cancer is no longer a death sentence, but treatments still have a long way to go​

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1198909458/cancer-causes-treatments-aging-mutations-surgery-radiation

Miracles still happen. But modern medicine is a blessing.

Science is a study of what the Lord made.
The brains to study come from the Lord.

Science is what it is.
Peer reviews can be neutral or slanted?
We do not know.

As with all things of the world, opinions may vary, truth is hidden if there is money involved or atheists make claims regarding religious artifacts.
So to rely on science run by humans who have not been guaranteed to keep it legit, just do not put all your eggs in a basket.

Why does the stuff of the world that you we may not be on tomorrow, matter more than what the Creator said?

There is one absolute I know of, Peter you hold the keys and the gates of hell will not prevail.
Though tests will ensue.

That is the one and only absolute.
The rest is study, opinions, testing, hypothesis, theory and failure sometimes.

 

[Ace777]

Science is a study of what the Lord made.

It is the study of the evidence God gives us for what He made. It amazes me the fossils and the remains from things like dinosaurs. Even the universe is created in a way we can understand. That means God has to give us the ability to be able to understand His creation. I love the rocks and the story they tell us.

 

[Ace777]

The brains to study come from the Lord.

The brain has the ability to perceive. In teacher training they tell us the more senses we use the better our chance is to remember. Jesus did that all the time. He would say look at this tree and if the tree does not produce fruit they cut off the branches and thrown them in the fire. We always remember that like the tree we have to produce fruit. Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Gentleness, Goodness, faithfulness, Self control. We are to produce an abundance in our life.

 

[fide]

How do you figure getting more knowledge and becoming more competent at getting along in the world make us better people?

It's true that hardship and pain makes people more aggressive and selfish. But other than that, material progress really doesn't make better people.

I have no idea where your train of reasoning begins.
The value of "more knowledge" depends essentially upon the object of the knowledge.
"Getting along with" has value or disvalue depending on "with whom" in the world.
"It's true that hardship and pain" can result in some people becoming "more aggressive and selfish." In others, an increase in compassion and mercy results.
Did your conclusion come out of your commments preceding it? I don't see how.
But other than that, material progress [in itself] really doesn't make better people. In some, maybe even in many, it can make them worse.

 

[The Barbarian]

I have no idea where your train of reasoning begins.

Technology changes as humans learn more about the world. But I notice it doesn't make us significantly better people. I would think the conclusion is obvious.

"It's true that hardship and pain" can result in some people becoming "more aggressive and selfish." In others, an increase in compassion and mercy results.

The general rule is that people who are hurting tend to be less than fun to deal with. There are exceptions, of course.

Did your conclusion come out of your commments preceding it? I don't see how.

Think about all the progress we've made in learning about the world in your lifetime. Did you notice people becoming better in that time?