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If you go to a horse race (the world) you can enjoy a great race. If you place a bet (vote) you are now involved and the outcome of the race determines whether you really enjoyed the race or not.Speaking of wrong teachings...maybe you should close your mouth. The Bible doesn't say we are to be seperated from the world. We can be involved in the world, just not IN IT. Not married to it. Not having our heart in it.
Apparently Exo. 20:13 is wrong and so is the concordance in respect to taking another human life. Look it up. Killing a human is killing a human no matter the justification.Where does it say that doing a soldiers duty kills your soul? Remember, murder and war are two diferent things.
twisted, well said. We need to be careful how we handle things when we are free to choose. We can't force our view on others and we can't look down on or demean those we disagree with. That's what faith in Jesus is to free you from.
I am also reminded of the need to be fully convinced.
Jay
THERE WE GO!!!!As a soldier I fully accept the ramifications of that decision. I am fully convinced of my beleifs
Keep things in context...was the Law written to individuals or to a givernment. If war is wrong (and please leave the torture issue out if it, none of us advocate that and it is beneath you) then God is wrong, because He Himself has commanded it. I won't apologize or compromise my belief that God is right and just.
As I said, I support the just war ideal and I believe it to be biblical.
As to capital punishment, God Himself, also directed this.
So, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I leave you in peace.
Jay
You seem to be lost in the OT which was meant to fade away as it was replaced by a NEW arrangement God made with humanity.As a soldier I fully accept the ramifications of that decision. I am fully convinced of my beleifs
Keep things in context...was the Law written to individuals or to a givernment. If war is wrong (and please leave the torture issue out if it, none of us advocate that and it is beneath you) then God is wrong, because He Himself has commanded it. I won't apologize or compromise my belief that God is right and just.
As I said, I support the just war ideal and I believe it to be biblical.
As to capital punishment, God Himself, also directed this.
So, I guess we will just agree to disagree. I leave you in peace.
Jay
You seem to be lost in the OT which was meant to fade away as it was replaced by a NEW arrangement God made with humanity.
Have you ever noticed? All the killing, rape, incest and ugly things of the OT are not spoken of in the NT.
Come to Jesus. The truth will set you free.
God Bless.
Christians. Your soul is at risk. Joel Hunter is the new President of the "Christian Coalition" and he said he hopes to make the Christian Coalition "more of a grass-roots organization so that we can mobilize every Christian in America to have a political involvement as a part of their normal spiritual growth." This is really deadly wrong teaching according to New Testament scripture and a good reason to ask yourself if the "Christian Right" are leading their followers to Heaven or hell. Jesus gives us clear guidelines on how to discern right from wrong and warns time and time again not to follow blindly. There is a scriptural problem with Christians standing for or against issues of the world in that the dead dont concern themselves with issues of the world. Its a matter of self preservation. Correct New Testament scripture says Christians should be dead to the world allowing God to be in control. Yet the accumulators (how you know them), these ministers of misinformation whose unsubstantiated doctrine blows with the wind encourage their followers to do these very things; the very things that Jesus warns will destroy your soul. Example. The parable of the seeds, Matthew 13:22 and repeated again in Luke 8:14, shows the ministers of misinformation are deadly wrong: involvement with the world causes you to lose your salvation. These ministers of error say you cant lose your salvation and encourage you to vote their way, condemn those they dont like, seek riches (just like them) and involve yourself in issues of the world. In this parable, Jesus shows this to be flat out wrong teaching. Deadly to your soul even. Read the scripture yourself. Jesus says get out of the world, the "Christian Right" says get more involved. Who are you going to follow?
Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture.
There are far too many NT quotes of the OT to justify your thinking on this.
Also, ALL Scripture is necessary.
Now that I know how you feel about the authority and nature of Scripture I will leave you to your own thoughts.
Christians. Your soul is at risk. Joel Hunter is the new President of the "Christian Coalition" and he said he hopes to make the Christian Coalition "more of a grass-roots organization so that we can mobilize every Christian in America to have a political involvement as a part of their normal spiritual growth." This is really deadly wrong teaching according to New Testament scripture and a good reason to ask yourself if the "Christian Right" are leading their followers to Heaven or hell. Jesus gives us clear guidelines on how to discern right from wrong and warns time and time again not to follow blindly. There is a scriptural problem with Christians standing for or against issues of the world in that the dead dont concern themselves with issues of the world. Its a matter of self preservation. Correct New Testament scripture says Christians should be dead to the world allowing God to be in control. Yet the accumulators (how you know them), these ministers of misinformation whose unsubstantiated doctrine blows with the wind encourage their followers to do these very things; the very things that Jesus warns will destroy your soul. Example. The parable of the seeds, Matthew 13:22 and repeated again in Luke 8:14, shows the ministers of misinformation are deadly wrong: involvement with the world causes you to lose your salvation. These ministers of error say you cant lose your salvation and encourage you to vote their way, condemn those they dont like, seek riches (just like them) and involve yourself in issues of the world. In this parable, Jesus shows this to be flat out wrong teaching. Deadly to your soul even. Read the scripture yourself. Jesus says get out of the world, the "Christian Right" says get more involved. Who are you going to follow?
Hebrews 5:12-14Wisdoms Child writes: "Discern and pass judgement upon that which is wicked."
How many of you know that is simply wrong wrong wrong teaching?
On that point we agree....Just because something may sound correct doesn't mean it is correct.
Irrelevant to the arguement at hand...Just like the thread "Where did Jesus give Christians permission to kill". No a single person has been able to support the assertion a Christian can take a human life yet still so many refuse to give up this dangerous fairy tail.
...which is what I have done.Don't be deceived by personal opinions. We are told to test everything so not to be misled. Find the scripture to support your beliefs and conform yourself to the teachings of Jesus. If someone can't support their assertion with scripture, then it is wrong teaching simple as that.
John 5:39-47Wisdoms Child also says: "In the political realm do we simply turn a blind eye to the worldly, or do we when given the opportunity, intervene and use our judgement to discern good from evil and do what is in our ability to stand against wickedness?" and then goes on to quote a bunch of OT scripture.
In Christianity, we follow the teachings of Jesus...
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We're in this world not of it but it doesn't mean we stick our heads in the sand and act like everything is just fine either. We are to exercise our kingdom rights and priviledges and bring more of the kingdom to earth in the political force and the work force and in every area we can affect...we don't do that by being blind to their issues that the people of the world live in...including us....we aren't in heaven yet.
No one said we have to join political parties...and we are most certainly told to make the world a better place..We are told in the Bible that Christians are to go about the world preaching the gospel to everyone; nothing in there about joining political parties and making this world a better place. The Bible is very clear on who is the god of this world, and what will happen to it.
You write: "Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture."Easy there, no where does it say the OT is to fade away. That belief contradicts the nature of Scripture.
There are far too many NT quotes of the OT to justify your thinking on this.
Also, ALL Scripture is necessary.
Now that I know how you feel about the authority and nature of Scripture I will leave you to your own thoughts.
How can he be absolutely right when HEB 8:13 begs to differ? See my other post with scripture.You're absolutley right. That type of thinking is the heresy of dispensationalism and has no place in the life of a rational Christian. I encourage you to do as you said and leave that particular poster to their own thoughts.
God bless
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